Indian RAW Terrorism and Hemant Kakre's assassination in Mumbai Attacks
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NO doubt that Karkare exposed Hindu Terrorist group called Abhinav bharat. No doubt that karkare was killed by some preplanned assasination but this cant be used to prove 26/11 done by India. Its ample clear that LeT was involved in Mumbai Attacks. Its ample clear by the statements made by Pakistani establishment. Especially, after the terrorists named Deccan Mujahiddin as the group of their brethren. Its all understood how this attack was to show the world that muslims in india are so harrased that they have come upon to such activities.
Even China dint interfer after they saw the dossiers. I m not bringing USA coz their credability isnt accepted by muslim bros.
Even China dint interfer after they saw the dossiers. I m not bringing USA coz their credability isnt accepted by muslim bros.
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Its a revenge thread after Abu jundal said that ISI was involved in 26/11 and had a Pakistani passport..
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There is a separate thread for such news-
http://www.defence.pk/forums/general-images-multimedia/138858-stupid-funny-all-over-world-ii-3.html
Mods please merge the threads
http://www.defence.pk/forums/general-images-multimedia/138858-stupid-funny-all-over-world-ii-3.html
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4 years down the line since the attack happened and since the Pakistani govt. accepted Kasab's nationality andstill we have Pkaistanis who believe it was all staged .
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My own conspiracy theory (because I find facts too incovenient) - Abhinav Bharat is a LET / ISI subsidiary, hence when Karkare - a former RAW officer and patriotic Indian exposed the Abhinav Bharat - LET / ISI nexus, LET / ISI sent terrorists from Karachi to kill him.
The rest of the terror attack was just a diversion. Hence many Pakistanis keep calling that a drama, because they know the truth.
There, now I'm India's foremost defence analyst, Sir Fateh Laltopiwale!!! LOL
The rest of the terror attack was just a diversion. Hence many Pakistanis keep calling that a drama, because they know the truth.
There, now I'm India's foremost defence analyst, Sir Fateh Laltopiwale!!! LOL
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Why you guys dont understand..... Samjhota express incident was exposed by Indian government Agency not Pakistan Agency.....We could have hidden the entire story if we wanted.....It was not difficult thing.....
Hemant Karkare was killed by Pakistani terrorist....no need to create new story
If India had to kill him ....we would have killed him long before....
Hemant Karkare was killed by Pakistani terrorist....no need to create new story
If India had to kill him ....we would have killed him long before....
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THIS is merely meant as a "SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT" article. I could be wrong. I would request our Indian friends to NOT POST knee-jerk rants. I implore all people to reflect carefully and to ruminate slowly on what is being said in this post before responding/commenting.
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The general intolerance we are currently seeing in Pakistan is merely a spill-over effect of the horrific intolerance in India as demonstrated by people lile Bal Thackeray. Without the existence of people like Bal Thackeray, the very notion of intolerance would never occur to Pakistanis, as our Constitution and our Laws are specifically designed to prevent, contain or eliminate all divisive-hatreds.
It was inevitable that this kind of Thackeray-inspired hate would spill over into Pakistan and destabilize our country. We must do something to nip this intolerance in the bud. We must work to eliminate the hateful poison coming from people like Thackeray. Once this poison is gone, I think the whole of South Asia will become more tolerant, more peaceful and more progressive.
The problem, however, is that this divisive hatred and intolerance is deep rooted in the very creation of the Indian Republic. It is codified in its constitution and forms the basis of a lot of lawmaking in India. In fact, there are credible reports that Indian passport holders must swear that they believe in their god Rama before they can get a passport. They ones who do not swear to this are issued special passports with demeaning slogans and humiliating statements in them. This shocking state of affairs in India is now under close scrutiny and investigation in all Western Countries.
This again shows that the flaw lies in the very ideology behind the creation of Indian Republic itself. This original ideological flaw has since corrupted their constitution and continues to generate intolerance in law-making. If we are to eliminate intolerance in south asia, I see no alternative other than the PEACEFUL break-up of the Indian Republic. Once India is broken (peaceably; under UN supervision) into smaller, ethnically or linguistically more-homogenous parts, then they may separately be able to form some common ethno-linguistic identities such that divisive-hatreds are no longer needed as an artificial unifier.
In fact, once they have genuine separate ethno-linguistic identities, then they make no longer need to be synthetically brought all together with an unhealthy obsession with events in Pakistan. So instead to replying to the question "what is India?" with a purely negationist-identity of "India is NOT Pakistan", they may even be able to come-up with separate multiplies positivist-indentities of themselves. This may bring an end to the severe identity crisis from which India suffers today.
I don't know. These are just some of my thoughts. What does everybody think? Perhaps people could do some research on this to see for themselves if the ideology behind the creation of the India is indeed the original source from which all the current intolerance in South Asia springs.
Please also see www riazhaq dot com for "terror-in-india-who-killed-karkare"
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The general intolerance we are currently seeing in Pakistan is merely a spill-over effect of the horrific intolerance in India as demonstrated by people lile Bal Thackeray. Without the existence of people like Bal Thackeray, the very notion of intolerance would never occur to Pakistanis, as our Constitution and our Laws are specifically designed to prevent, contain or eliminate all divisive-hatreds.
It was inevitable that this kind of Thackeray-inspired hate would spill over into Pakistan and destabilize our country. We must do something to nip this intolerance in the bud. We must work to eliminate the hateful poison coming from people like Thackeray. Once this poison is gone, I think the whole of South Asia will become more tolerant, more peaceful and more progressive.
The problem, however, is that this divisive hatred and intolerance is deep rooted in the very creation of the Indian Republic. It is codified in its constitution and forms the basis of a lot of lawmaking in India. In fact, there are credible reports that Indian passport holders must swear that they believe in their god Rama before they can get a passport. They ones who do not swear to this are issued special passports with demeaning slogans and humiliating statements in them. This shocking state of affairs in India is now under close scrutiny and investigation in all Western Countries.
This again shows that the flaw lies in the very ideology behind the creation of Indian Republic itself. This original ideological flaw has since corrupted their constitution and continues to generate intolerance in law-making. If we are to eliminate intolerance in south asia, I see no alternative other than the PEACEFUL break-up of the Indian Republic. Once India is broken (peaceably; under UN supervision) into smaller, ethnically or linguistically more-homogenous parts, then they may separately be able to form some common ethno-linguistic identities such that divisive-hatreds are no longer needed as an artificial unifier.
In fact, once they have genuine separate ethno-linguistic identities, then they make no longer need to be synthetically brought all together with an unhealthy obsession with events in Pakistan. So instead to replying to the question "what is India?" with a purely negationist-identity of "India is NOT Pakistan", they may even be able to come-up with separate multiplies positivist-indentities of themselves. This may bring an end to the severe identity crisis from which India suffers today.
I don't know. These are just some of my thoughts. What does everybody think? Perhaps people could do some research on this to see for themselves if the ideology behind the creation of the India is indeed the original source from which all the current intolerance in South Asia springs.
Please also see www riazhaq dot com for "terror-in-india-who-killed-karkare"
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So u mean to say that CoL prohit was ISI planted man..................... damnnnnnn ISI has placed Col. level people in ur army now i am worried abt how much capable ur army is.
U guy will never open up ur eyes even u are told truth many a time coz the lies being feed to u is much more effective than the truth............. U want to live in heaven that Pakistan was behind all that .be my guest otherwise wake up and see who was sole beneficiary of all that Mumbia episode..............
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Jayron, Please research this issue further before dismissing my view...
Terror in India--Who Killed Karkare?
SM Mushrif, the author of "Who Killed Karkare?" and former police chief of Maharashtra state, has raised some very serious questions about the role of the Indian intelligence in the increasing violence committed by Hindutva outfits against India's minorities, and how India's Intelligence Bureau diverts attention from it by falsely accusing Indian Muslims and Pakistan's ISI, as was done in Malegaon and Samjutha Express blasts.
While the human rights abuses at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib by the Bush administration have been exposed, documented and condemned by the world, similar abuses of Muslims in India's "war on terror" have gone largely unnoticed. There appears to be a conspiracy of silence by the world media when it comes to the brutality against Indian Muslims practiced by officials and the right-wing Hindu extremists in world's largest secular democracy. The western media, in particular, have completely bought what Fareed Zakaria, the Indian-born Muslim editor of Newsweek International, describes as a "peaceful, stable, and prosperous" India. Even the officially-endorsed anti-Muslim violence and resulting deaths of thousands of Muslims in Gujarat have not been able to shake the faith of the Indophile western journalists. Let's see if former Maharashtra police chief Mushrif's book "Who Killed Karkare?" changes any minds:
Review by M Zeyaul Haque-
A new book curiously titled "Who Killed Karkare?"(published by Pharos Media) says a nationwide network of Hindutva terror that has its tentacles spread up to Nepal and Israel is out to destroy the India most Indians have known for ages and to remould it into some kind of Afghanistan under the Taliban.
The writer, a former IG Police of Maharashtra, SM Mushrif, has reconstructed a fearsome picture out of former Maharashtra ATS chief Hemant Karkare’s chargesheet against alleged Hindutva terrorists like Lt. Col. Purohit, Sadhvi Pragyasingh Thakur and others.
The chargesheet pointed towards a mind-boggling nationwide conspiracy with international support to destabilize the constitutional order and the secular democratic Indian state that upholds it, to be replaced by a Hindutva state run according to a new Constitution. For that the conspirators were prepared for a massive bloodbath, using bomb attacks on religious places to trigger an anti-Muslim holocaust.
Mushrif, who has over three decades of diligent policing behind him and whose feats include exposing the Telgi scam, has made an elaborate case out of nearly a dozen blasts over a large area of the country conducted by Hindutva terror groups of different stripes. His case: a section of India’s intelligence services, a miniscule group in the armed forces and a section of different state police forces have been compromised and infiltrated by these elements, a development that bodes ill for the future of the country.
In Hemant Karkare’s net (of investigations, of course) many big and small fishes of VHP, RSS, Bajrang Dal and Sanatan Sanstha (which has been found to be involved in Diwali-eve blasts in Goa last week) had been trapped. Serving and retired army officers, academics, serving and retired officials of India’s premier intelligence service were ensnared in Karkare’s fishing net. The menacing power of the latter groups, inspired by sustained anti-Muslim hate campaigns of the last six decades, gave the plot a sinister and highly destructive character.
Among the plans unearthed by Karkare was a blueprint for the assassination of 70 prominent Indians who could by a hindrance to the project of Hindutva. Interestingly, most of the persons marked for elimination would, naturally, be Hindus because it is they who primarily run the dispensation. The conspirators were also unhappy with organizations whose Hindutva they suspected to be less virulent than desired.
Mushrif, who very well knows the power of the Intelligence Bureau (IB) to make or mar lives and careers, says he is prepared to face the consequences of hostility of this power hub. He musters “evidence” to show that the IB has regularly been interfering with regular police investigations to let Hindutva terrorists slip out of the net and replace them with random Muslim youth. To fudge the issues further obliging police officers in the states would not mind exterminating a few Muslim youth to be branded posthumously as “terrorists”.
There are quite a few number of such cases where such extra-judicial killing of Muslim youth has turned out to be false police encounters. All this is done to cover tracks of Hindutva terror. Mushrif says a “Brahminist” network that has its origins in Maharashtra, and is closely knit across political parties, government services, including IB, and other vital sectors of life is behind the terror that seeks to destroy the secular, democratic state. He hastens to clarify that very few Brahminists are Brahmins. Many are from other high Hindu castes, some from middle and lower castes.
Most Brahmins are fair-minded and would not like to associate themselves with hate ideologies. Hemant Karkare, too, was a Brahmin, Mushrif says. So is Mushrif’s son-in-law.
It is pertinent to note that “Brahminism” and “Brahminical order” first appeared in Dalit protest vocabulary in the Dalit uprising movement in Maharashtra towards the turn of the 20th century. Mushrif, who appropriates part of this vocabulary for the present discourse, says that Maharashtra still remains the centre of this ideology that, among other things, has the dubious distinction of killing the Father of the Nation.
The power establishment that really runs the affairs of this country (Mushrif says it is not Sonia Gandhi, Manmohan Singh or Rahul Gandhi) does not want to expose the Hindutva terrorists. One example is the blasts in Samjhauta Express, which the IB said was carried out by Pakistan’s ISI. Mushrif quotes a report in The Times of India that said, “the Centre had blamed the ISI on the basis of the IB’s findings.” However, during a narco-analysis test under Karkare, Lt. Col. Purohit had admitted having supplied the RDX used in the blast. The IB, which draws its power from its proximity to the Prime Minister (its director briefs the PM every morning for half an hour), did not want Karkare’s investigation that blew the cover off the IB’s shenanigans, to continue.
Once Karkare was removed from the scene, the IB moved in to fill his position with KP Raghuvanshi, a pliant police officer with extremely low credibility among Muslims for his record of letting off known Hindutva terrorists and implicating innocent Muslim youth even in bomb attack cases on mosques.
There are quite a few interesting vignettes here, like Raghuvanshi and Col. Purohit’s association with Abhinav Bharat in Maharashtra, whose hand was evident in a series of blasts across the country. It has old connections with men like Veer Damodar Savarkar (whose relative Himani Savarkar leads the Abhinav Bharat movement), Dr Munje, who led the Hindu Mahasabha, and other Hindutva luminaries. It is at the Bhonsala Military Academy run by these groups that Purohit trained police officers, including Raghuvanshi. Mushrif asks a pertinent question: Will Raghuvanshi pursue the investigation against Purohit, his guru? A plausible answer is, perhaps no. Already charges have been dropped by a special court under MCOCA against 11 accused, including Purohit, on the grounds of insufficient evidence produced in the court by the prosecution.
This was just the beginning of the undoing of Karkare’s painstaking investigation. Mushrif says slowly the system is working to undo all of Karkare’s work and let off the terrorists who over the years destroyed scores of lives and wreaked irreparable economic damage. The ATS team under Karkare had pointed out VHP leader Praveen Togadia’s role in the blasts. The ATS under Raghuvanshi dropped the investigation against him saying (please hold your laughter) they do not know who Togadia is!
A number of investigations have been thus sabotaged by the powers that be and the tracks of the Hinduta terrorists duly covered. The 319-page book is crammed with such information.
But what about who killed Karkare? Mushrif says two teams were at work on 26/11 – one which did the maximum damage, and was from outside. The smaller team took advantage of the confusion of the moment and acted only on the relatively small CST-CAMA-Rangbhavan stretch that killed Karkare. It was a desi unit that wanted Karkare and his men out of the way.
Unfortunately, the Indian government has miserably failed, and continues to fail to investigate the allegations that are very very serious. The author, by raising these issues, adds his heavy weight by virtue of his inside knowledge and the position he held, to the extremely serious allegations.
Terror in India--Who Killed Karkare?
SM Mushrif, the author of "Who Killed Karkare?" and former police chief of Maharashtra state, has raised some very serious questions about the role of the Indian intelligence in the increasing violence committed by Hindutva outfits against India's minorities, and how India's Intelligence Bureau diverts attention from it by falsely accusing Indian Muslims and Pakistan's ISI, as was done in Malegaon and Samjutha Express blasts.
While the human rights abuses at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib by the Bush administration have been exposed, documented and condemned by the world, similar abuses of Muslims in India's "war on terror" have gone largely unnoticed. There appears to be a conspiracy of silence by the world media when it comes to the brutality against Indian Muslims practiced by officials and the right-wing Hindu extremists in world's largest secular democracy. The western media, in particular, have completely bought what Fareed Zakaria, the Indian-born Muslim editor of Newsweek International, describes as a "peaceful, stable, and prosperous" India. Even the officially-endorsed anti-Muslim violence and resulting deaths of thousands of Muslims in Gujarat have not been able to shake the faith of the Indophile western journalists. Let's see if former Maharashtra police chief Mushrif's book "Who Killed Karkare?" changes any minds:
Review by M Zeyaul Haque-
A new book curiously titled "Who Killed Karkare?"(published by Pharos Media) says a nationwide network of Hindutva terror that has its tentacles spread up to Nepal and Israel is out to destroy the India most Indians have known for ages and to remould it into some kind of Afghanistan under the Taliban.
The writer, a former IG Police of Maharashtra, SM Mushrif, has reconstructed a fearsome picture out of former Maharashtra ATS chief Hemant Karkare’s chargesheet against alleged Hindutva terrorists like Lt. Col. Purohit, Sadhvi Pragyasingh Thakur and others.
The chargesheet pointed towards a mind-boggling nationwide conspiracy with international support to destabilize the constitutional order and the secular democratic Indian state that upholds it, to be replaced by a Hindutva state run according to a new Constitution. For that the conspirators were prepared for a massive bloodbath, using bomb attacks on religious places to trigger an anti-Muslim holocaust.
Mushrif, who has over three decades of diligent policing behind him and whose feats include exposing the Telgi scam, has made an elaborate case out of nearly a dozen blasts over a large area of the country conducted by Hindutva terror groups of different stripes. His case: a section of India’s intelligence services, a miniscule group in the armed forces and a section of different state police forces have been compromised and infiltrated by these elements, a development that bodes ill for the future of the country.
In Hemant Karkare’s net (of investigations, of course) many big and small fishes of VHP, RSS, Bajrang Dal and Sanatan Sanstha (which has been found to be involved in Diwali-eve blasts in Goa last week) had been trapped. Serving and retired army officers, academics, serving and retired officials of India’s premier intelligence service were ensnared in Karkare’s fishing net. The menacing power of the latter groups, inspired by sustained anti-Muslim hate campaigns of the last six decades, gave the plot a sinister and highly destructive character.
Among the plans unearthed by Karkare was a blueprint for the assassination of 70 prominent Indians who could by a hindrance to the project of Hindutva. Interestingly, most of the persons marked for elimination would, naturally, be Hindus because it is they who primarily run the dispensation. The conspirators were also unhappy with organizations whose Hindutva they suspected to be less virulent than desired.
Mushrif, who very well knows the power of the Intelligence Bureau (IB) to make or mar lives and careers, says he is prepared to face the consequences of hostility of this power hub. He musters “evidence” to show that the IB has regularly been interfering with regular police investigations to let Hindutva terrorists slip out of the net and replace them with random Muslim youth. To fudge the issues further obliging police officers in the states would not mind exterminating a few Muslim youth to be branded posthumously as “terrorists”.
There are quite a few number of such cases where such extra-judicial killing of Muslim youth has turned out to be false police encounters. All this is done to cover tracks of Hindutva terror. Mushrif says a “Brahminist” network that has its origins in Maharashtra, and is closely knit across political parties, government services, including IB, and other vital sectors of life is behind the terror that seeks to destroy the secular, democratic state. He hastens to clarify that very few Brahminists are Brahmins. Many are from other high Hindu castes, some from middle and lower castes.
Most Brahmins are fair-minded and would not like to associate themselves with hate ideologies. Hemant Karkare, too, was a Brahmin, Mushrif says. So is Mushrif’s son-in-law.
It is pertinent to note that “Brahminism” and “Brahminical order” first appeared in Dalit protest vocabulary in the Dalit uprising movement in Maharashtra towards the turn of the 20th century. Mushrif, who appropriates part of this vocabulary for the present discourse, says that Maharashtra still remains the centre of this ideology that, among other things, has the dubious distinction of killing the Father of the Nation.
The power establishment that really runs the affairs of this country (Mushrif says it is not Sonia Gandhi, Manmohan Singh or Rahul Gandhi) does not want to expose the Hindutva terrorists. One example is the blasts in Samjhauta Express, which the IB said was carried out by Pakistan’s ISI. Mushrif quotes a report in The Times of India that said, “the Centre had blamed the ISI on the basis of the IB’s findings.” However, during a narco-analysis test under Karkare, Lt. Col. Purohit had admitted having supplied the RDX used in the blast. The IB, which draws its power from its proximity to the Prime Minister (its director briefs the PM every morning for half an hour), did not want Karkare’s investigation that blew the cover off the IB’s shenanigans, to continue.
Once Karkare was removed from the scene, the IB moved in to fill his position with KP Raghuvanshi, a pliant police officer with extremely low credibility among Muslims for his record of letting off known Hindutva terrorists and implicating innocent Muslim youth even in bomb attack cases on mosques.
There are quite a few interesting vignettes here, like Raghuvanshi and Col. Purohit’s association with Abhinav Bharat in Maharashtra, whose hand was evident in a series of blasts across the country. It has old connections with men like Veer Damodar Savarkar (whose relative Himani Savarkar leads the Abhinav Bharat movement), Dr Munje, who led the Hindu Mahasabha, and other Hindutva luminaries. It is at the Bhonsala Military Academy run by these groups that Purohit trained police officers, including Raghuvanshi. Mushrif asks a pertinent question: Will Raghuvanshi pursue the investigation against Purohit, his guru? A plausible answer is, perhaps no. Already charges have been dropped by a special court under MCOCA against 11 accused, including Purohit, on the grounds of insufficient evidence produced in the court by the prosecution.
This was just the beginning of the undoing of Karkare’s painstaking investigation. Mushrif says slowly the system is working to undo all of Karkare’s work and let off the terrorists who over the years destroyed scores of lives and wreaked irreparable economic damage. The ATS team under Karkare had pointed out VHP leader Praveen Togadia’s role in the blasts. The ATS under Raghuvanshi dropped the investigation against him saying (please hold your laughter) they do not know who Togadia is!
A number of investigations have been thus sabotaged by the powers that be and the tracks of the Hinduta terrorists duly covered. The 319-page book is crammed with such information.
But what about who killed Karkare? Mushrif says two teams were at work on 26/11 – one which did the maximum damage, and was from outside. The smaller team took advantage of the confusion of the moment and acted only on the relatively small CST-CAMA-Rangbhavan stretch that killed Karkare. It was a desi unit that wanted Karkare and his men out of the way.
Unfortunately, the Indian government has miserably failed, and continues to fail to investigate the allegations that are very very serious. The author, by raising these issues, adds his heavy weight by virtue of his inside knowledge and the position he held, to the extremely serious allegations.
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