Indian post destroyed, 5 Indian soldiers killed.

[American Pakistani]

They are merely following the dictates of their rulers. The fault lies with the rulers not with the soldier. Even if they are at fault decency demands that we dont depict their sacrifice as some animal shot. It defies decency. I have huge issue with the Indian state with its Kashmir policy which is state sponsored terrorism.
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Sorry sir, but after watching countless pallet gun victims, raped women, disabled kids, fake encountered young mens of Kashmir, majority Pakistanis have no emotions towards those soldiers. This does not mean I will say "rot in hell" but this does not mean that I will say "rest in peace". Pakistanis just want Pakistan Army to speed up the process and bring death and destruction to these 7 lakh indian occupier terrorists who are terrorizing Kashmiri civilians.

Just for your knowledge Sir, today indian terrorists attacked a school van. That is what they are experts in.

 

[Mutakalim]

They are merely following the dictates of their rulers. The fault lies with the rulers not with the soldier. Even if they are at fault decency demands that we dont depict their sacrifice as some animal shot. It defies decency. I have huge issue with the Indian state with its Kashmir policy which is state sponsored terrorism.
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How can you call yourself humane with a response like this. Have issues with the state but at least do not disrespect the messenger. This is all that I say. This is what Islam teaches us.
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I think if we thought ourselves on moral high ground then we shouldn't fall so low to mock dead bodies.

 

[Ocean]

Guys.
Please respect soldiers of any country irrespective of their origins. This is an unfair comment. We can argue our grounds but dont respect the people who lay down their lives for their country.
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Had these soldiers infact "innocent" soldiers by acting on their "rulers" orders raped your daughters and sisters like they rape kashmiri women infront of their fathers, sons then we would have seen how you want to pay respect to these indian terrorists and ask others to show respect.

Also if these soldiers had fired at a school van just like they did yesterday carrying your own kids and killed your son or daughter or salughtered your grandson grand daughter then we would have seen how you would have advocated respecting those. And after recieving all these gifts from them we would also have seen how you write this nonsense "they are follwoing their rulers orders so its rulers fault soldiers are innocent, fault doenst lie woth soldiers". I mean u didnt feel shame for a second in calling these indian terrorist soldiers innocent by absolving of them of all rapes, killings and cross border murder of civilians by throwing entire blame on their "rulers".

So a soldier is never taught a code of conduct before being dispatched to a location? So if a soldier kills innocent kashmiris in iok , if he fires at school van across loc then he is innocent as these were order from his seniors? Had some pakistani soldier done this thing following orders of "rulers" then likes of you would have been running around calling entire pakistani nation as terrorists.

And above all when these soldiers rape kashmiri women .is that by any means defendable under the excuse of "rulers" orders?

As i said as those raped women arent ur daughters sisters and those kids in school vans arent ur sons and daughters so likes of you like to come here and act as flagbearers of decency and shytt but at the same time hypocritically cant stand pakistanis cursing an Indian terrorist soldier for his acts.

I hope u are not in armed forces not linked even from millionth miles' distance cause if thats true then we would surely know why pakistan is in current state.

 

[Fledgingwings]

Nail these scumbags as much as possible !teach them a good lesson in their own language.

 

[TOPGUN]

Any nation and their forces that targets civilians are cowards and evil as it comes and their should be no mercy left at all towards these a$$holes give em hell and let them burn in hell.

 

[NeonNinja]

 

[kabooter_maila]

How can you call yourself humane with a response like this. Have issues with the state but at least do not disrespect the messenger. This is all that I say. This is what Islam teaches us.
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Not really. Allah (SwT) orders in the Holy Quran to kill these kuffar and musrikeen as long as they are not willing to make peace. Any enemy combatant is a legitimate target and must be taken out if possible unless he lays down his arms and requests for mercy. Then killing him is a major sin. Similarly Islam prohibits killing non-combatants (their families of enemy soldiers, innocent civilian men, etc.) and destroying house, crops, gardens, trees in general, etc. But the enemy soldiers are entirely a different creed. Since they are in active fighting against Muslims, killing/capturing them is not an option but rather obligatory. I am not talking about respecting or disrespecting your enemy. It all depends on circumstances.

The case of Indians is a worst. They regularly attack civilians including children and women. They call our soldiers for flag meeting and then kill them when they get exposed. Indians are more of war criminals than combatants. These animals deserve the treatment that is meted out to criminals and enemies.

 

[undercover JIX]

Should have hit every post along the LOC. Not good enough.

For targeting School children and women, every Indian post possible on LOC should be destroyed. no mercy for coward Army who targets School children and women.

 

[araz]

Not really. Allah (SwT) orders in the Holy Quran to kill these kuffar and musrikeen as long as they are not willing to make peace. Any enemy combatant is a legitimate target and must be taken out if possible unless he lays down his arms and requests for mercy. Then killing him is a major sin. Similarly Islam prohibits killing non-combatants (their families of enemy soldiers, innocent civilian men, etc.) and destroying house, crops, gardens, trees in general, etc. But the enemy soldiers are entirely a different creed. Since they are in active fighting against Muslims, killing/capturing them is not an option but rather obligatory. I am not talking about respecting or disrespecting your enemy. It all depends on circumstances.

The case of Indians is a worst. They regularly attack civilians including children and women. They call our soldiers for flag meeting and then kill them when they get exposed. Indians are more of war criminals than combatants. These animals deserve the treatment that is meted out to criminals and enemies.

Marey bhai.
Alhamdolillah Allah has given me understanding of the Quran and Sunnah and a little knowledge of the history of Islam. I understand what is to be done in case of war. However at no time in our history duringRasool Allah SAW or the Khulafa e Rashidoun did the muslims kill the enemy and then made fun of them or thumped their chests after the war. I understand the boistrousness of war as demonstrated by Hazrat Abu DujaanaRA, but what I am talking about is laughing or denegrading the enemy after killing them. If there was ever a time it was after Badr. The muslims put the dead in a disused well of Badr and covered them up. You cannot imagine a worst enemy than the kuffar that died in Badr so what does one say of other wars.
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Had these soldiers infact "innocent" soldiers by acting on their "rulers" orders raped your daughters and sisters like they rape kashmiri women infront of their fathers, sons then we would have seen how you want to pay respect to these indian terrorists and ask others to show respect.

Also if these soldiers had fired at a school van just like they did yesterday carrying your own kids and killed your son or daughter or salughtered your grandson grand daughter then we would have seen how you would have advocated respecting those. And after recieving all these gifts from them we would also have seen how you write this nonsense "they are follwoing their rulers orders so its rulers fault soldiers are innocent, fault doesnt lie woth soldiers". I mean u didnt feel shame for a second in calling these indian terrorist soldiers innocent by absolving of them of all rapes, killings and cross border murder of civilians by throwing entire blame on their "rulers".

So a soldier is never taught a code of conduct before being dispatched to a location? So if a soldier kills innocent kashmiris in iok , if he fires at school van across loc then he is innocent as these were order from his seniors? Had some pakistani soldier done this thing following orders of "rulers" then likes of you would have been running around calling entire pakistani nation as terrorists.

And above all when these soldiers rape kashmiri women .is that by any means defendable under the excuse of "rulers" orders?

As i said as those raped women arent ur daughters sisters and those kids in school vans arent ur sons and daughters so likes of you like to come here and act as flagbearers of decency and shytt but at the same time hypocritically cant stand pakistanis cursing an Indian terrorist soldier for his acts.

I hope u are not in armed forces not linked even from millionth miles' distance cause if thats true then we would surely know why pakistan is in current state.

Bhai.
You are trying to perzonalize a situation to gain sympathy. I would also say that Alhamdolillah I am a proud father of two grown up daughters. However,Understand this that I am not lamenting the fact that the Indian soldiers were killed. What was done by firing on a bus was wrong and the response was entirely appropriate. The point I am making is entirely different and this relates to denegrading the dead and making fun of them after killing them. This should not happen. There is a picture of a dead wild boar with a caption of a dead Indian soldier. My dear brother retired as a Lt Col in infantry and another brother in law is a serving Lt Col. I have never seen soldiers talk about how they enjoyed killing their enemy although they have done it. We can debate to the end whether the attack was justified but the loss of human life should always be treated somberly and the dead respected. This as I have explained is what Islam teaches us. If you know the history of Islam you will know that there were no worse men then the Kuffar of Mekkah that died in Badr.
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[kabooter_maila]

Marey bhai.
Alhamdolillah Allah has given me understanding of the Quran and Sunnah and a little knowledge of the history of Islam. I understand what is to be done in case of war. However at no time in our history duringRasool Allah SAW or the Khulafa e Rashidoun did the muslims kill the enemy and then made fun of them or thumped their chests after the war. I understand the boistrousness of war as demonstrated by Hazrat Abu DujaanaRA, but what I am talking about is laughing or denegrading the enemy after killing them. If there was ever a time it was after Badr. The muslims put the dead in a disused well of Badr and covered them up. You cannot imagine a worst enemy than the kuffar that died in Badr so what does one say of other wars.
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I agree with you about not disgracing the dead enemy soldiers (or any human - Muslim or non-Muslim - for that matter). But exposing the reality about the dead, especially in these times of deception, lies, changing of perceptions, and overwhelming propaganda campaigns, for countering enemy's well chalked out campaign to demean, demoralize, and disorient Muslims in general and Pakistanis in particular is badly needed. Indians consistently have been labeling freedom fighters as terrorists and Indian soldiers as the victim of terrorism influencing the world opinion with some success. A part of that deceptive strategy is calling their evil dead soldiers as 'Shaheed'. The reality is just opposite to that. These dead soldiers were part of the force that consistently and continuously uses rapes, torture, abductions, and murders as their tactics against innocent people of occupied J&K. How these bloody ba$tards be shaheed after they were sent to the hell fire by the freedom fighters. These dead animals were like a shit on the face of this earth and their riddance is good for the man kind. I am not disgracing humanity. Rather I am showing the fact that with these filthy animals killed, the people of occupied J&K will have less rapes, abductions, victims of pellet guns (blind children) and dead bodies of innocent people. We need to expose the Hindu evils or they would keep portraying us as terrorists. Is that un-Islamic?

 

[Fledgingwings]

Keep em scratching off the line.

Keep em scratching off the line.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Good job PA. Terrorism must be uprooted from the source. If this was the post from where these Indian terrorists attacked the school bus, then this is how we must act in future as well.

Terrorists must be terrorised.

 

[araz]

I agree with you about not disgracing the dead enemy soldiers (or any human - Muslim or non-Muslim - for that matter). But exposing the reality about the dead, especially in these times of deception, lies, changing of perceptions, and overwhelming propaganda campaigns, for countering enemy's well chalked out campaign to demean, demoralize, and disorient Muslims in general and Pakistanis in particular is badly needed. Indians consistently have been labeling freedom fighters as terrorists and Indian soldiers as the victim of terrorism influencing the world opinion with some success. A part of that deceptive strategy is calling their evil dead soldiers as 'Shaheed'. The reality is just opposite to that. These dead soldiers were part of the force that consistently and continuously uses rapes, torture, abductions, and murders as their tactics against innocent people of occupied J&K. How these bloody ba$tards be shaheed after they were sent to the hell fire by the freedom fighters. These dead animals were like a shit on the face of this earth and their riddance is good for the man kind. I am not disgracing humanity. Rather I am showing the fact that with these filthy animals killed, the people of occupied J&K will have less rapes, abductions, victims of pellet guns (blind children) and dead bodies of innocent people. We need to expose the Hindu evils or they would keep portraying us as terrorists. Is that un-Islamic?

What they are is blatantly obvious. That is not the debate. What they have done and the appropriateness of the response is also not being debated. The chest thumping by belligerent internet warriors is what I am talking about. That is something which should not be done. If they attack again and the PA gives an appropriate response I will be the firat to say this is appropriate and justified. But dont demean loss of life by making it a war of numbers. You killed 4 of our or we killed 5 of yours is not of importance. The offensive act and its response being appropriate is.
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PS: Who is and who is not a Shaheed is not upto us to decide. It is the prerogrative of Allah the Mightyvand the Just to decide. Let us not take heavenly matters into our own hands please. This is a war and the enemy uses the same terms which we use to impress their loss. Let us leave it upto Allah SWT to decide.
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