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[ranjeet]

Hey you guys did a PHD on whataboutry and selective outrage accusation! So I'm just asking the same, why different treatment for BJP ruled states and non BJP ruled states.

Give it one more year and trust me criticism of BJP will be much harsh than non BJP states and it will be based on non delivery on their promises not merely on pure hate for Modi.

Victim mentality is same for sanghis too..still crying about minority appeasement,second class citizens,foreign funding,Missionaries,jihadis even after two years of strong Hindutwa rule..anyway he have a valid point,A man was burned to death in Maharastra for being a Hindu,But haven't seen any so called sanghis in PDF blaming Maharastra government or Marathis for this tragic incident unlike you use to do with cases happening in Kerala and West Bengal or any other non BJP states..

I agree that Sanghis also play the victim card but they still don't know how to play it to the galleries. It's mostly done to draw a parallel to victim card pulled by the other side. I would love if Sanghis could raise the pitch as high as liberal/secular brigade, things will be interesting then.

 

[LaBong]

As per rohit's mother statement- Her husband left her & kids when she was pregnant with the 3rd child and her kids don't even recognize their father''..yes,Caste is from father's side acc to Indian law,But i am not sure if there is a provision/concessions in cases when father abandoned his wife and children...

As far as I remember children are allowed to use mother's caste if estranged by father.

 

[mooppan]

Give it one more year and trust me criticism of BJP will be much harsh than non BJP states and it will be based on non delivery on their promises not merely on pure hate for Modi.


I agree that Sanghis also play the victim card but they still don't know how to play it to the galleries. It's mostly done to draw a parallel to victim card pulled by the other side. I would love if Sanghis could raise the pitch as high as liberal/secular brigade, things will be interesting then.

Sanghis are doing extremely fine in Kerala,They have upper hand in social medias like twitter and facebook because of support they getting from other Indian Hindu ethnicities..we Chrislamist can't match them in that..But we leads miles in MSM,money and ground level support...

 

[ranjeet]

 

[Parul]

100℅ True

 

[indiatester]

Rampant Christian conversions-another myth,Internet two rupees/post Sanghis claim the Christian population is now 10%/,some claims even 30%..Actually Christian population is on steady decline in Andra,4% in 1971 from just around 1% in 2001.. There were around 11.8 lakh Christians in 2001,now the latest census shows- 11.4 lakhs...yes,There are some converted Christians mainly from Dalit category who still using '"Hindu Dalit ''in government records for benefits,But there percentage will not exceeds 0.5%,i think..

Its not a myth. You must just count the ratio of temples to churches or even count the number of new churches to get an idea of this.

 

[Darmashkian]

 

[Levina]

the SPG has said that given its duty to provide “effective security” to VIPs, the ban will have a “direct bearing on the protection standards”.

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A protective motorcade, the SPG added, has heavy vehicles due to weight of armoured material and other security features, having engine capacity of more than 4000 cc. Accordingly, an escort vehicle also has to have a comparable engine capacity to keep pace with the main car so that it can provide adequate protection, it said



Diesel car ban: SPG tells Supreme court we need big cars to protect, so relax rule | The Indian Express


It's rather ridiculous that the SPG is having to go to the Supreme Court to make this argument, the logic is absurdly simple- you need to have high capacity engines/vehicles to cover the excess wieght of amour and to ensure that they are able to swiftly escape any trouble.

The security of the SPG's protectees (PM and former PMs) should never be in question.

@Levina @SpArK @ranjeet @Spectre @Star Wars @arp2041@parul @XiNiX @SRP @bloo @AMCA

I have a few doubts
1) SPG uses about 5 BMW X5's and a few tata safaris. Afaik BMW models which have Diesel engines have a small "d" added to their model number, which is not visible on any of the BMW's used by Prime minister's cavalcade. My guess is,the tata safaris use Diesel engines and SPG uses similar tata safaris for ex-PMs and their families( not everyone can be given X5s lol). As long as Modi is safe I don't care which vehicle SPG uses for ex-PMs.
2) the ban is till 31st March and what happens after that?
3) Toyota, Mercedes and other companies have already expressed their displeasure at the court's decision. I don't think this ban will continue forever. All they can do is to increase the tax on diesel cars.
4) I am sure SC can make a few exceptions especially when it's the head of the state. Isn't it?

 

[Abingdonboy]

1) SPG uses about 5 BMW X5's and a few tata safaris.

6-7 X5s, 2 7 Series, 1 Tata Safari (for the jammer/ECM) and 1 Mercedes Sprinter ALS ambulance. The DP use 4 Tata Safaris for escprting the PM's motorcade too.

As long as Modi is safe I don't care which vehicle SPG uses for ex-PMs.

Haha. You're right about ex-PMs having armoured Safaris for escort vehicles, but I know for MMS the SPG still use the 7 series.

4) I am sure SC can make a few exceptions especially when it's the head of the state. Isn't it?

You would hope so- a few dozen SPG vehicles aren't going to make much difference in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Levina]

Haha. You're right about ex-PMs having armoured Safaris for escort vehicles, but I know for MMS the SPG still use the 7 series

I meant Rahul Gandhi- ex PM and their families you see.

You would hope so- a few dozen SPG vehicles aren't going to make much difference in the grand scheme of things.

Among the vehicles in PM's motorcade which could have Diesel engines are Mercedes ambulance and Tata Safari. I am kinda sure that the BMWs used, are not Diesel engines (no small "d" in their model numbers confirms it).
So SPG might have to replace Mercedes and tata safari with its petrol counterparts.
IMO, car companies which claim that these days they use Diesel engines which cause lesser pollution, are lying. They are greenwashing- particulate matter and NOx released by Diesel engines are very high compared to petrol engines.
But I hope SC allows SPG to use Diesel engines till Jan 26th. Intelligence has warned that this year a child suicide bomber might sneak into RD parade. And that's scary!!!

 

[Abingdonboy]

I meant Rahul Gandhi- ex PM and their families you see.

Among the vehicles in PM's motorcade which could have Diesel engines are Mercedes ambulance and Tata Safari.

This is what I was thinking. I guess the DP can replace their Safaris with Innovas, as for the SPG the most critical issue is that their ECM/Jammer vehicle is only based on the Safari (not an X5) meaning their is no alternative for the short-term. This vehicle is clearly crucial and there's no way they can't use it.

That said. I've seen since this ban came into force the PM's motorcade is exactly the same so the SPG are continuing with it until they get told to stop I guess (if they do).

But I hope SC allows SPG to use Diesel engines till Jan 26th. Intelligence has warned that this year a child suicide bomber might sneak into RD parade. And that's scary!!!

Not just for 26th January though. It's clear that not only is this PM but India is more at risk than ever from these nutjobs (ISI, LeT, IM,JeM and now ISIS). Just let SPG do what they do best- don't start tieing their hands behind their backs for the sake of meaningless compliance. The SPG should always have been exempt from any such restrictions from the outset, that they are having to justify their protection for the PM of a billion people because of emissions norms is completely absurd.


In fact, I hope the SPG can now upgrade their motorcade, Modi had blocked this in late 2014 but those X5s (and ther Mercedes ambulance) are now over 8 years old and they have a lot of miles on them, I can't imagine they are as efficent as they once were and I'm sure a new fleet would provide just a little more security.

 

[Levina]

Modi had blocked this in late 2014 but those X5s (and ther Mercedes ambulance)

Do you mean Modi blocked the purchase of new security vehicles?
That's ridiculous!!
You're right SPG should be given what they demand, and politicians should have limited control over them.

Frankly speaking, it's the thought of jihadi scums sending across a child suicide bomber that niggles me. That poor soul might not even know what he's carrying or that he's about to blow himself up. Keeping my fingers crossed. No untoward incidents should happen on or after 26th Jan.

ECM/Jammer vehicle

Yes I have seen a tata Safari jammer in Rahul Gandhi's videos too.
But why is that the jammer can not be shifted to a petrol vehicle?
Jammer is an equipment. The Diesel engine of tata Safari is not related to the equipment and but only to the vehicle's performance. True?
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Just in- @Abingdonboy
That my freind is receiving a Shaurya Chakra on 26th Jan.
Yay!!!!!!
I am so proud of him.
So I guess my assumptions were not so wrong.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Do you mean Modi blocked the purchase of new security vehicles?
That's ridiculous!!

Yes.

In late 2014, the SPG proposed purchasing an entirely new fleet for the PM's motorcade as the existing vehciles have been in use since 2008, when this proposal went across Modi's desk he denied it.

Whilst the SPG have tactical autonomy to decide what their protectee does, they are still bound by the same procurement procedures as every other government agency and the PMO has the final say.

Realistically you should change vehicles every 4 years, especially with the amount of usage such vehicles get, this fleet has done double that and is still going- it's not a sustainable strategy and it's rather stupid of Modi to impede his security in this way. The costs are rather minimal in the grand scheme of things.

Frankly speaking, it's the thought of jihadi scums sending across a child suicide bomber that niggles me. That poor soul might not even know what he's carrying or that he's about to blow himself up. Keeping my fingers crossed. No untoward incidents should happen on or after 26th Jan.

The last two years Modi has done this during R-Day:

Both years he made unplanned depatures from the established plan and went into the crowd with the SPG having to play catch up behind him. I understand why Modi likes to do these kinds of things but he has to be realistic about the threats he faces and he is consistently comprimising his security, almost every time he returns to India from a foreign trip he stops his motorcade outside of Palam Air Base to greet the people, last year he stopped his motorcade to walk along Rajpath after the conclusion of the R-day parade.

He is becoming too predictable and this will result in him being an easier target.

But why is that the jammer can not be shifted to a petrol vehicle?

There shouldn't be an issue in doing so other than it won't be an overnight fix, such solutions will probably take a fw weeks to create.

Just in- @Abingdonboy
That my freind is receiving a Shaurya Chakra on 26th Jan.
Yay!!!!!!
I am so proud of him.
So I guess my assumptions were not so wrong.

That's awesome! PARA (SF) are truly the tip of the spear

 

[Levina]

Both years he made unplanned depatures from the established plan and went into the crowd with the SPG having to play catch up behind him. I understand why Modi likes to do these kinds of things but he has to be realistic about the threats he faces and he is consistently comprimising his security, almost every time he returns to India from a foreign trip he stops his motorcade outside of Palam Air Base to greet the people, last year he stopped his motorcade to walk along Rajpath after the conclusion of the R-day parade.

He is becoming too predictable and this will result in him being an easier target.

Must be tough for SPG.

In late 2014, the SPG proposed purchasing an entirely new fleet for the PM's motorcade as the existing vehciles have been in use since 2008, when this proposal went across Modi's desk he denied it.

Whilst the SPG have tactical autonomy to decide what their protectee does, they are still bound by the same procurement procedures as every other government agency and the PMO has the final say.

Realistically you should change vehicles every 4 years, especially with the amount of usage such vehicles get, this fleet has done double that and is still going- it's not a sustainable strategy and it's rather stupid of Modi to impede his security in this way. The costs are rather minimal in the grand scheme of things.

Yes, unlike normal cars, these cars must have covered more distance, so they need to be replaced more often.
Dont they have 2 identical BMW-7 series?

 

[Parul]

The only thing Modiji has done in his tenure as the Prime Minister is travel back in time using the Time Machine developed at his secret facility in RSSydra and changed the ‪#‎NetajiFiles‬ to frame Neher wale Chacha as a villain.

He did all this to hide the failure of programmes like Jan Dhan, Jan Beema, MUDRA, Sukanya Samriddhi, Rural Electrification, rescue of thousands of Indians from warzones like Yemen and Iraq, Make in India, Start up India, Swachh Bharat, Direct Cash Subsidy Transfer, Defense deals.

Shame on Modiji.