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[The_Showstopper]

we will lynch all those anti-nationals, sickular anti-hindus to ground, but that day is not today.

Did you really mean what you just posted? I think I've heard the bold part in one of the hollywood movie. Aah its Lord of the Rings if I am not wrong...

 

[rubyjackass]

You should consider that fact bjp as party never came to power in bihar

As a simple matter, their number of seats came down in Assembly, even though they contested more seats.

To be fair this is true of all fascist movements. Whether they be libero-facists or conservative ones. Dissent is perfectly fine, but here in India we run into a situation where it is more about dissent for the sake of political gain rather than actual differences in ideology. This movement to destroy nation credibility and identity in order to win elections is cancerous, and stems from the idea that country belongs to political parties and political dynasty families rather than the people. There is no developed nation in the East or West where you have 5 consecutive generations of the same family running the country into the ground as if they are some sort of Royalty. This is unprecedented and actually against every modern political ideology from Socialism, Communism, Conservatism, Liberalism, etc. It is only compatible with a Monarchy-type system, aka the Socialist Nehruism political ideology that is exclusive to India.

Liberal-fascism is an oxymoron. Marxism is nowhere liberal. For starters its goal is a dictatorship. Ignorant people like you confuse Communism with liberalism and make up meaningless words like liberal-fascism. And Nehru was not a textbook socialist, giving licenses to private people to exploit is not socialism. But it was definitely better than having American corporates running roughshod over a nascent country. Otherwise, as an example of a sector, all the Indian small traders would be employees at a subsidiary of Walmart by now. And yeah, family politics upto Indira was OK. I would say Indira even outdid her capacity as a heir. But the later claimants are scum. And it keeps getting worse with every generation consistently.

You are right about opposition though. It has become opposition for opposition's sake. At least we now have parties like AAP which explain the rationale behind their every policy stance. If it becomes a norm, then all parties will have to explain their opposition.

 

[The_Showstopper]

It does explain BJP's performance in the Phase V.

Haven't followed the elections, so can't really comment but as per the previous reports, yes I do agree it pays them quite handsomely..

 

[Jai Bharat]

As a simple matter, their number of seats came down in Assembly, even though they contested more seats.


Liberal-fascism is an oxymoron. Marxism is nowhere liberal. For starters its goal is a dictatorship. Ignorant people like you confuse Communism with liberalism and make up meaningless words like liberal-fascism. And Nehru was not a textbook socialist, giving licenses to private people to exploit is not socialism. But it was definitely better than having American corporates running roughshod over a nascent country. Otherwise, as an example of a sector, all the Indian small traders would be employees at a subsidiary of Walmart by now. And yeah, family politics upto Indira was OK. I would say Indira even outdid her capacity as a heir. But the later claimants are scum. And it keeps getting worse with every generation consistently.

You are right about opposition though. It has become opposition for opposition's sake. At least we now have parties like AAP which explain the rationale behind their every policy stance. If it becomes a norm, then all parties will have to explain their opposition.

I didn't make up or coin the term. It is derived from an extremely influential book here in the West.

Liberal Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Left-wing fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The attempt to stifle dissent, promote censorship, automatically labelling whoever opposes them as racists/communalists/hateful, etc.. These are all elements of Fascism, but are propagated not by the Right Wing, but rather the Left. Europe is a good example of the rise of these sorts of politics. And you are perfectly fine in labelling it as an oxymoron, that was part of the intention of the term. To show the hypocrisy and corruption of true liberalism by the Left.

And my main criticism of Nehru in that post was that it was HE who strived to implement his own dynasty in politics. Nobody asked or forced him to do it. He went against his own high-minded liberal ideals for self benefit (Hence 'Nehruvian' Socialism, combining monarchical dynasty system politics with Socialism). The only other country in the world that has been ruled so long by a single family since 1940s is North Korea, that is how bad it is.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Haven't followed the elections, so can't really comment but as per the previous reports, yes I do agree it pays them quite handsomely..

In Bihar and UP. Elsewhere, development plank counts more.

Oberfuehrer you are (so long as you get your spellings correct; you forgot the umlaut).
Do they write good? I thought Swapan writes in quite a pedestrian style. Both of them tend to get confused under pressure, and that is quite entertaining.

Yes, the umlaut is difficult to put in using the English keyboard. Oberfuehrer it should be.
I appreciate Das Gupta because he is almost like a lone ranger in a sea of left leaning literati.

 

[Sky lord]

The only other country in the world that has been ruled so long by a single family since 1940s is North Korea, that is how bad it is.

And we voted them in!!!!

There is something really wrong with us.

 

[rubyjackass]

Here is my analysis.

BJP failed at long term strategy when they failed to court Nitish. They failed at number game when they could not manage constituency wise statistics(which is a natural fallout when contesting alone). They failed to counter caste numbers, though not for lack of effort. They did not have effective campaign; 'development' was not an effective grievance against Nitish. Modi says Nitish was not using money given to Bihar. But people did not buy it. The huge package sounded like a bribe thrown at Biharis. Condescension was in the air.

LJP is not even trying. Manjhi did not show organizational power or ability to support BJP. He lost one of the two seats he contested!! Looked like everyone was lazily waiting for the Messiah's magic. But people knew messiah has Delhi to take care of. In MGB, all heavy weights were complementing each other - Lalu, Nitish, Sharad Yadav, Sonia, RaGa(if you want to count him). In NDA, no voice except Modi was to be heard. Manjhi, Susil Modi and Paswan were not utilised. Looks like everything was run from BJP headquarters without giving airtime to its friends on its media channels.

No CM candidate with Nitish's stature. Although not declaring candidate was a reasonable move IMO, his weaknesses would have become BJP's weaknesses.

And from a perception viewpoint, arrogance was written all over the BJP campaign. Too much Amit Shah and Modi for Bihar. Beef politics did not help. Neither did the attempt to scare lower castes with muslim reservations.

Too much talk and loudness pi$$ed off people.

Lessons:
BJP's weakness is now apparent in contesting 243 seats for an assembly election. Modi even with the time he spent, could do fewer per constituency rallies than RaGa(Arnab pointed this out). The local BJP should have run the show and used Modi only for star appearances. Too much micromanagement from Shah. They left all things to the high command and now ended up in a situation where Congress won 25 seats!! This when majority of the seats it contested were written off as dry seats where BJP had traditional bases. Pappu could have been limited to his 4 seats. They gave a ray of hope to Congress now, which is unforgivable.

Learn to make friends. Tone down on social agendas and stick to development. Work:Talk ratio should improve in people's perceptions. Some simple PR basics should be learned. Like how a person like Modi attacking a local Bihari politician like Nitish calling jungle raj would sound for people.

 

[itachii]

Did you really mean what you just posted? I think I've heard the bold part in one of the hollywood movie. Aah its Lord of the Rings if I am not wrong...

lynching is a strong word(I edited my post).. I didn't mean in the physical sense to lynch and kill people, that does more damage and would destroy the interests of the nation. but I do want anti-national elements like gilani, owaisi, arundati roy, mamata, lalu, all of the gandhi dynasty, the award wapsi gang, terrorist and naxal sympathizers, all the fake babas, jihadi sympathizing mullah's, terror missionaries, khalistanis to be exposed and humiliated in public. A situation has to be created where people spite on there faces, eventually a situation arises where they lock themselves in house with shame, that is when we drag them to court and put them in jail for life. ( I dnt want them to be hanged, i want them to live long, long enough that they prefer death over a sub-human life)

yes..aragon's dialogue from lord of the rings.

Aragorn: Hold your ground, hold your ground! Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you *stand, Men of the West!*

 

[Jai Bharat]

Here is my analysis.

BJP failed at long term strategy when they failed to court Nitish. They failed at number game when they could not manage constituency wise statistics(which is a natural fallout when contesting alone). They failed to counter caste numbers, though not for lack of effort. They did not have effective campaign; 'development' was not an effective grievance against Nitish. Modi says Nitish was not using money given to Bihar. But people did not buy it. The huge package sounded like a bribe thrown at Biharis. Condescension was in the air.

LJP is not even trying. Manjhi did not show organizational power or ability to support BJP. He lost one of the two seats he contested!! Looked like everyone was lazily waiting for the Messiah's magic. But people knew messiah has Delhi to take care of. In MGB, all heavy weights were complementing each other - Lalu, Nitish, Sharad Yadav, Sonia, RaGa(if you want to count him). In NDA, no voice except Modi was to be heard. Manjhi, Susil Modi and Paswan were not utilised. Looks like everything was run from BJP headquarters without giving airtime to its friends on its media channels.

No CM candidate with Nitish's stature. Although not declaring candidate was a reasonable move IMO, his weaknesses would have become BJP's weaknesses.

And from a perception viewpoint, arrogance was written all over the BJP campaign. Too much Amit Shah and Modi for Bihar. Beef politics did not help. Neither did the attempt to scare lower castes with muslim reservations.

Too much talk and loudness pi$$ed off people.

Lessons:
BJP's weakness is now apparent in contesting 243 seats for an assembly election. Modi even with the time he spent, could do fewer per constituency rallies than RaGa(Arnab pointed this out). The local BJP should have run the show and used Modi only for star appearances. Too much micromanagement from Shah. They left all things to the high command and now ended up in a situation where Congress won 25 seats!! This when majority of the seats it contested were written off as dry seats where BJP had traditional bases. Pappu could have been limited to his 4 seats. They gave a ray of hope to Congress now, which is unforgivable.

Learn to make friends. Tone down on social agendas and stick to development. Work:Talk ration should improve in people's perceptions. Some simple PR basics should be learned. Like how a person like Modi attacking a local Bihari politician like Nitish calling jungle raj would sound for people.

Hopefully BJP learns from these two lessons.

They need support from REAL local leaders, unlike Manji who was dead-weight. Modi can't win everything on his own. And they need Local leaders who are willing to talk dirty Caste politics like Lalu, who founded his entire campaign on Caste politics. You can't win a local election in India on development mantras alone.

Not declaring a a CM is a mistake that they need to never repeat again. Take on a local strongman CM, even if they are a bit corrupt. Corruption is expected and a secondary concern to media and local people. Declaring Manji, Sushil, or even some random Yadav local would have had a huge impact.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Here is my analysis.

BJP failed at long term strategy when they failed to court Nitish. They failed at number game when they could not manage constituency wise statistics(which is a natural fallout when contesting alone). They failed to counter caste numbers, though not for lack of effort. They did not have effective campaign; 'development' was not an effective grievance against Nitish. Modi says Nitish was not using money given to Bihar. But people did not buy it. The huge package sounded like a bribe thrown at Biharis. Condescension was in the air.

LJP is not even trying. Manjhi did not show organizational power or ability to support BJP. He lost one of the two seats he contested!! Looked like everyone was lazily waiting for the Messiah's magic. But people knew messiah has Delhi to take care of. In MGB, all heavy weights were complementing each other - Lalu, Nitish, Sharad Yadav, Sonia, RaGa(if you want to count him). In NDA, no voice except Modi was to be heard. Manjhi, Susil Modi and Paswan were not utilised. Looks like everything was run from BJP headquarters without giving airtime to its friends on its media channels.

No CM candidate with Nitish's stature. Although not declaring candidate was a reasonable move IMO, his weaknesses would have become BJP's weaknesses.

And from a perception viewpoint, arrogance was written all over the BJP campaign. Too much Amit Shah and Modi for Bihar. Beef politics did not help. Neither did the attempt to scare lower castes with muslim reservations.

Too much talk and loudness pi$$ed off people.

Lessons:
BJP's weakness is now apparent in contesting 243 seats for an assembly election. Modi even with the time he spent, could do fewer per constituency rallies than RaGa(Arnab pointed this out). The local BJP should have run the show and used Modi only for star appearances. Too much micromanagement from Shah. They left all things to the high command and now ended up in a situation where Congress won 25 seats!! This when majority of the seats it contested were written off as dry seats where BJP had traditional bases. Pappu could have been limited to his 4 seats. They gave a ray of hope to Congress now, which is unforgivable.

Learn to make friends. Tone down on social agendas and stick to development. Work:Talk ration should improve in people's perceptions. Some simple PR basics should be learned. Like how a person like Modi attacking a local Bihari politician like Nitish calling jungle raj would sound for people.

Good analysis.

 

[LaBong]

lynching is a strong word(I edited my post).. I didn't mean in the physical sense to lynch and kill people, that does more damage and would destroy the interests of the nation. but I do want anti-indians like gilani, owaisi, arundati roy, mamata, lalu, all of the gandhi dynasty, the award wapsi gang, terrorist and naxal sympathizers, all the fake babas, jihadi sympathizing mullah's, terror missionaries, khalistanis to be exposed and humiliated in public. A situation has to be created where people spite on there faces, eventually a situation arises where they lock themselves in house with shame, that is when we drag them to court and put them in jail for life. ( I dnt want them to be hanged, i want them to live long, long enough that they prefer death over a sub-human life)

yes..aragon's dialogue from lord of the rings.

Aragorn: Hold your ground, hold your ground! Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you *stand, Men of the West!*

People like you are the reason why BJP give me creeps. Since the so called fringe of BJP emboldens the like of you.

 

[rubyjackass]

I didn't make up or coin the term. It is derived from an extremely influential book here in the West.

I know you did not coin the term. But you are being part of the propagation. Obviously the book was written by a conservative who would love to call Hitler and Mussolini as left wing which is anything but true.

And then they will call liberals as leftists. Communists are leftists. Ergo liberal fascism. This is their logic.

Liberal Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Left-wing fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The attempt to stifle dissent, promote censorship, automatically labelling whoever opposes them as racists/communalists/hateful, etc.. These are all elements of Fascism, but are propagated not by the Right Wing, but rather the Left. Europe is a good example of the rise of these sorts of politics. And you are perfectly fine in labelling it as an oxymoron, that was part of the intention of the term. To show the hypocrisy and corruption of true liberalism by the Left.

I agree parties like Congress hide behind liberalism and appease their vote banks. But the losers are the vote banks only in failing to get what is their right and instead hankering for sops. The right wingers act as if these parties are doing favors for these vote banks as opposed to Hindus. That is simply not true. The reason for muslim backwardness in India is Congress's policies. There is no real good they get from stupid programmes like Hajj subsidies.

And my main criticism of Nehru in that post was that it was HE who strived to implement his own dynasty in politics. Nobody asked or forced him to do it. He went against his own high-minded liberal ideals for self benefit (Hence 'Nehruvian' Socialism, combining monarchical dynasty system politics with Socialism). The only other country in the world that has been ruled so long by a single family since 1940s is North Korea, that is how bad it is.

I don't think Nehru had any control of the empire after him. It was Kamraj who was the kingmaker(or leader of a clique). He made Indira PM to counter his rivals. She was too independent for him and dumped him along with the entire oldie generation. I would be fine with Pappu becoming PM if he has the political brains to pull off something like that. He would then deserve it.

He did not go against his liberal ideas IMO. But he compromised because of laziness combined with circumstances. For example, India did manage to build large public sector companies like BHEL. But there was no way the state could have controlled everything. So the shortcut was to give away licenses. People like Ambani came out of that rut.

Please let us not compare ourselves with NK. They are so screwed up we don't even completely know how screwed up they are.

 

[itachii]

People like you are the reason why BJP give me creeps. Since the so called fringe of BJP emboldens the like of you.

whenever we speak of exposing leftists and anti-nationals, why is that the self professed liberal bongs and sickular - mallus get tensed?? at times like these I respect people like @mujhaidind, at least he puts his BS in open and makes it easy for us to determine who we have to fight with.

 

[Abingdonboy]

if our growth rate is anything below 10% during 2019 elections, mark my words we are going to lose the elections badly. this nation will any day chose a 7% UPA over an 8% NDA.

Sadly, any chance of getting over 8% growth before 2019 is gone now. No implementation of GST and many other reforms that are pending but now stalled for the foreseeable future will keep the growth rate at present levels (6.5%-7.5%). Modi has completely squandered any opportunity he had to get these done because of his narcissism and his party's own goals.

The world is going to look far less favourably at India now- the political landscape has shifted overnight. Whilst these ret@rds ("fringe elements") were distracting from the development agenda it could still be reasonably expected that the GoI would have the momentum and ability to pursue their development agenda with these detractors being little more than a nuisance. Now the political capital he enjoyed in his early days is all gone and there is nothing left but negativity. This is the kind of backlash politicians are meant to face towards the end of their terms, he has been in office for but 18 months!


I'm sorry, but this is now nothing but a slightly improved UPA-2. At least MMS had a legitimate excuse (in the form of Sonia Gandhi's own agenda AND an unworkable coalition) and even his performance was commendable- Modi has NO excuse, he is a self-styled "hard" man and yet he has shown he is either unable or uninterested in exercising control over his own party. Modi had a huge mandate, no party president entirely undermining him and no coalitions to deal with and look at how he has lost it. This is a truly shameful performance on his part. I'm an outsider, I was never a Modi supporter, couldn't care less for the BJP as a whole and I am entirely disenfranchised by him, I can only imagine the feelings of those ardent supporters of his who had invested so much in the "Modi wave". If you think today is painful, 2019 is going to be a bloodbath IMHO.


@Star Wars @JanjaWeed @hinduguy @Bang Galore


Now all those grandiose public appearances in foreign countries are truly bitter to swallow- his talk was big when in a foreign country, promising the moon and the stars but he couldn't even deliver the most basic of needs to his people and has lost almost all chance of doing so for the foreseeable future. Pathetic.

 

[ShrestaBharath]

Bihar selected
Lantern instead of LED
Caste on top of development
Fodder over Cow