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@Joe Shearer @jamahir @Naofumi @BL33D @Raj-Hindustani
Why is Rampur considered as the most important constituency of Uttar Pradesh?

It is not. It is yet another constituents. Rampur had a Nawab and is a muslim majority constituents and usually has a Muslim MP/ MLA.

Azam Khan is a brave man. Kicks Sanghis in the a**

Yogi will have him running around helpless. Relax man.

 

[xeuss]

Azam Khan is a brave man. Kicks Sanghis in the a**

Currently, like all opposition politicians in India, embroiled in corruption investigations.

The BJP has effectively used law enforcement to silence and subdue all opposition, something unprecedented in India.

@Joe Shearer @jamahir @Naofumi @BL33D @Raj-Hindustani
Why is Rampur considered as the most important constituency of Uttar Pradesh?

It is not important at all. Just received undue attention in the past because of the personalities that contested from there - from Nawab/Begum of Rampur to Jaya Prada

 

[Nilgiri]

@Joe Shearer @xeuss @Naofumi @jamahir

 

[Naofumi]

@Joe Shearer @xeuss @Naofumi @jamahir

After all these years of voting Owaisi, Hyderabadi Muslims got this :-

https://twitter.com/x/status/1254801994843222016

He's just one more corrupt politician playing politics with people's emotion.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Currently, like all opposition politicians in India, embroiled in corruption investigations.

The BJP has effectively used law enforcement to silence and subdue all opposition, something unprecedented in India.

Not at all unprecedented.

Those unspeakable scoundrels in the Congress started the whole thing. Look up "Tiger" Joginder Singh.

It is not important at all. Just received undue attention in the past because of the personalities that contested from there - from Nawab/Begum of Rampur to Jaya Prada

After all these years of voting Owaisi, Hyderabadi Muslims got this :-

https://twitter.com/x/status/1254801994843222016

He's just one more corrupt politician playing politics with people's emotion.

Tell me what an individual MLA, or MP, can do to improve the standard of living of people.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

After all these years of voting Owaisi, Hyderabadi Muslims got this :-

https://twitter.com/x/status/1254801994843222016

He's just one more corrupt politician playing politics with people's emotion.

It is true.

He has also only played the pipe. Done little.

But what alternatives have the people got? Raja?

 

[Naofumi]

Tell me what an individual MLA, or MP, can do to improve the standard of living of people.

He's a national voice, he can easily draw attention to any issue related to his constituency but have we ever seen him demanding xyz for his people? He can speak on Delhi Muslims, Pakistan, constitution, Triple Talaq and loads more of issues, what's stopping him to raise his constituency's issues?
Moreover, Delhi Muslims are much better than this, they never voted for a "Muslim" politician, then why? Because Owaisi is communal and communalism is antithetical to development.
An example of his priorities :-
AIMIM leader Akbaruddin Owaisi seeks funds for temple, mosque in Hyderabad

 

[jamahir]

@Joe Shearer @xeuss @Naofumi @jamahir

Asaduddin Owaisi may be well-meaning, and has a large following, but he should not limit himself to speaking only about Muslims. There are other marginalized communities like farmers ( who commit suicide in his own state by the hundreds ) and Dalits ( remember Rohith Vemula ).

I believe what he should do is initiate a dialogue with all Center-Left and Left parties / groups in India and they should coalesce to form a single Progressive movement.

This will also have the side-effect of ejecting from AIMIM toxic people like Abu Faizal who is the Muslim counterpart to BJP's people like Raja Singh and Sakshi Maharaj.

@Naofumi @Joe Shearer

 

[Naofumi]

But what alternatives have the people got? Raja?

Anyone, people should just held the elected person accountable. Owaisi is a dynast and there's no accountability at all, people vote for him regardless what he did in the previous LS term.

Asaduddin Owaisi may be well-meaning, and has a large following, but he should not limit himself to speaking only about Muslims. There are other marginalized communities like farmers ( who commit suicide in his own state by the hundreds ) and Dalits ( remember Rohith Vemula ).

He's not even that, he ignores many Muslims who differ from him. Have you ever seen speaking of lower-caste/class Muslims? Heck, he don't give a f*ck about his own Hyderabadis. He's a scum who's expiry date is over.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Anyone, people should just held the elected person accountable. Owaisi is a dynast and there's no accountability at all, people vote for him regardless what he did in the previous LS term.

I agree with your point of view.

But will you be able to show me a viable alternative who has the ability to defend at least the minimum rights of the constituency (in this case Muslims) and do development?

I am not attacking you, just that the local electorate probably does not have other options. He is the only person who unites the Muslims and keeps the Sangh at bay. I know that THAT is unfortunately his ONLY success.

 

[Nilgiri]

After all these years of voting Owaisi, Hyderabadi Muslims got this :-

But what was the situation like before it?

Also shouldn't it be the particular constituency he is in (and all people there) that is to be measured?

If we are going by income of less than 1 lakh a year as BPL (article says this), that is 1333 USD a year or about 4000 PPP dollars a year (using Indian PPP multiplier ~ 3). Would like to know what the poverty rates are for India in general using this standard? So we can compare with some basis/context.

The world bank poverty line is 1.9 PPP a day...or about 700 PPP a year.

Just to give you an idea of the difference in definitions that can be used....i.e far fewer % of muslims in hyderabad (and indians in general using this BPL level) would be considered poor by world bank.

BTW if we look at it from wealth context, about 78% of Indians can be considered poor (wealth less than 10k) by world standards of "middle income wealth":

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/average-wealth-per-adult-in-countries-around-the-world-2019.641723/

But if we look at it by MPI (multi poverty index), its more like 27% (as of 2015)

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...o-lead-world-bank.598776/page-4#post-11129373

 

[jamahir]

Owaisi is a dynast and there's no accountability at all, people vote for him regardless what he did in the previous LS term.

Good point.

He's a scum who's expiry date is over.

I disagree.

But as long he speaks only about Muslims and surrounds himself with thugs like Abu Faizal he won't have appeal nationally.

 

[Naofumi]

But what was the situation like before it?

Also shouldn't it be the particular constituency he is in (and all people there) that is to be measured?

If we are going by income of less than 1 lakh a year as BPL (article says this), that is 1333 USD a year or about 4000 PPP dollars a year (using Indian PPP multiplier ~ 3). Would like to know what the poverty rates are for India in general using this standard? So we can compare with some basis/context.

The world bank poverty line is 1.9 PPP a day...or about 700 PPP a year.

Just to give you an idea of the difference in definitions that can be used....i.e far fewer % of muslims in hyderabad (and indians in general using this BPL level) would be considered poor by world bank.

BTW if we look at it from wealth context, about 78% of Indians can be considered poor (wealth less than 10k) by world standards of "middle income wealth":

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/average-wealth-per-adult-in-countries-around-the-world-2019.641723/

But if we look at it by MPI (multi poverty index), its more like 27% (as of 2015)

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...o-lead-world-bank.598776/page-4#post-11129373

I am NOT diving into the technicalities and definitions here, but you know the stark contrast between Hindus and Muslims in India, right? Things like college education, drop out rates are far worse even in Hyderabad. And Hindus are the second worst group, ALL MINORITIES ARE BETTER OFF THAN HINDUS EXCEPT ONE.

And Hyderabad was a Muslim state, I presume Muslim had some head start than all others.

But as long he speaks only about Muslims and surrounds himself with thugs like Abu Faizal he won't have appeal nationally.

Speaking for Muslims is not the problem, the problem is non-performance. I believe in strict meritocracy - perform or perish.

But will you be able to show me a viable alternative who has the ability to defend at least the minimum rights of the constituency (in this case Muslims) and do development?

Have Hyderabadis tried anyone else? How can we tell if they are viable or not if they don't even try?

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I am not attacking you, just that the local electorate probably does not have other options. He is the only person who unites the Muslims and keeps the Sangh at bay. I know that THAT is unfortunately his ONLY success.

I disagree, many other leaders do a better job for containing Sangh. He stands for Hindu consolidation for his and his colleagues hate speeches.

IMHO, Dalit and OBC resistance do the best job in this case and likes of Owaisi works to break it through Hindu consolidation.

 

[Nilgiri]

I am NOT diving into the technicalities and definitions here, but you know the stark contrast between Hindus and Muslims in India, right? Things like college education, drop out rates are far worse even in Hyderabad. And Hindus are the second worst group, ALL MINORITIES ARE BETTER OFF THAN HINDUS EXCEPT ONE.

I'm just asking w.r.t all baked in already....before and after situation for owaisi tenure. e.g if this poverty rate was 90% before and 63% now (And in which case thats an improvement is it not)...and to use a common standard for this measurement....with some basis numbers of some other areas in the city, state and country etc.

Also he would be the LS MP for everyone in his constituency, not just muslims. So it would not be apt approach to say "muslims in hyderabad" for the only comparison....and in any case, surely there are a few constituencies that make up hyderabad+S-bad city anyway and not just his?

 

[Naofumi]

if this poverty rate was 90% before and 63% now (And in which case thats an improvement is it not)...

His family s literally ruling that place since independence, so why does this even matter? If you can't fix something in 6-7 decades then what's your right to be on the throne? My point is even if there's a improvement it's pointless because Muslims failed to catchup to other communities. For e.g. When we say Saudis are backward, we don't say "they've progressed from slavery and tribalism", no - we compare them to others.
On other note, I would agree with you to see the pre-Owaisi (that would be pre-independence Nizami period) to see if Muslims were better or worse than Hindus relatively. I stress on the relative part here because that's what counts, otherwise even the most corrupt and stupid governments can call themselves successful.

Also he would be the LS MP for everyone in his constituency, not just muslims. So it would not be apt approach to say "muslims in hyderabad" for the only comparison....and in any case, surely there are a few constituencies that make up hyderabad+S-bad city anyway and not just his?

I agree but Owaisi can also influence them if he can (in his view) influence Delhi Muslims, so I won't give him a clean chit even then because he don't give speeches for Hyderabadi Muslims outside of his constituency when he can.

Another point - Muslims vote for him, so I would assume Muslims to be concentrated in his constituency. So taking a rough approximation here for Hyderabadi Muslim as Owaisi voter would be true for our analysis.