The_Showstopper
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Avoid answering? It is you who has been avoiding the answers and responses which you've done before. I asked you as to how is Pakistan a reference point to the Indian standards of secularism(And the irony is Pakistan isn't even a secular country) and you suddenly diverted this conversation to some random christian couple in Pakistan. Militant Indian muslim voice? Not militant but assertive, Hell Yeah! And that is something your lot can't tolerate. You want Indian muslims to feel subservient to the virat Hindus(Sanghi version) and in constant guilt of leaving a native religion to embrace a foreign faith, to feel guilty about some "supposed atrocities" committed by muslim rulers. Good to know that you shall defend my right to speak. Hope you stand by what you said when it really matters.Don't throw your fake indignation at me dude. Your kind always do that when they want to avoid answering a question. And don't pretend you didn't understand what I said - you are neither stupid like Jamahir nor a lunatic like Mujahind. You are a militant Indian Muslim voice and you may not believe it, but I will always defend your right to speak your mind though I do not agree with much of what you say.
Yes "God's standards"! BUT A GOD WHO IS NOT BELIEVED IN BY 75% of the world POPULACE. Not sure why would you want to compare yourself with "divine" law which you don't even believe in? So it India claims to be secular, it should be compared with secular countries and since you want countries who earned freedom and started their nation building at a similar time as India, I named Singapore and you decided to get started with your whataboutery since you knew that my comparison was quite apt.Let me state again as simply as I know how to.
People should be held up to the standards they themselves espouse.
India claims - it says so in our constitution - that we are a secular democracy. We should be judged by that standard. We OFTEN fall short. Some of the things that have happened in the past in India and continue to happen have no escuse. We need to do better.
Pakistan claims - it says so in whatever booklet is currently passing as its constitution - that it is a country ruled by divine law. IT SHOuLD BE JUDGED BY ITS OWN STANDARDS . AKA GOD'S STANDARDS.
And what are their standards and how are they relevant to Indian secularism? Why are you so bothered about their standards?I am not trying to hold up Pakistan to the standards I believe in, I just hold them up to their OWN standards, unlike you.
Yes I do, and every paper screamed about it(Thanks to "sickulars") but did the law makers send a clear message against these kind of acts. Hell NO!!! A Central minister visits and condoles the death of the accused while our national flag is insulted. Many leaders from a particular party which claims to be "nationalist" passively supported these acts.Do you actually live in India? When that incident with the beef lynching happened, the entire country came to a standstill. For months every paper screamed the same headlines. Every person involved in the lynching are in prison and the victims family have been given a flat in Delhi. Does that make it alright? Hell no! But did we try to live up to our standards, albeit too late? Hell yes!
Six Outrageous Things BJP Leaders Have Said About Dadri Murder
BJP leaders seek action against Dadri lynching victim Akhlaq's family
Why is it that these lynchings became quite regular and infact a normal thing if proper action was taken?
So here we go again, You want to compare similar scenarios with Pakistan, hence I ask you if Pakistan is the standard you want to emulate? You want the same to happen in India? This is what pains you, Is it?When the Christian couple were kneecapped and burnt alive in Pakistan - there was a small article in a liberal newspaper then the story sunk like a stone.
What is it "my lot" reminds you which makes India fail the secular standards miserably? Why should I be bothered about a foreign country and its standards? Oh dear? If Pakistan's GODLY LAWS are of such HIGHER STANDARDS than India, then why is India and many other countries not following these higher standard of laws. Shouldn't you follow the suit?India TRIES to live up to its secular standards, often failing miserably as your lot remind us every time you open your mouth. I have never heard the same passion from you condemning those who do not live up to the MUCH HIGHER standards set by Gods law. Who got your tongue then?
700 and 300 is the official figure. You and me very well know that official figures are always on the lesser side, For example the official death toll of Jallianwala bagh massare is 379 whereas the unofficial estimates is around 1000, so let's not get into logistics. I know that your lot peddle lies whenever it suits your agenda. And if reprisals is your stated reason/justification, then Kashmiri militants can justify the killings and exodus of Kashmiri Pandits? Before the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits begun, Gawkadal massacre took place where around 300 unarmed protestors were killed, CRPF troops also molested women during the raids. And much before that Jammu massacre took place where Kashmiri muslims were systematically killed in thousands. So can this be a justified for what Kashmiri Pandits had to face?about Modis rise - first of all the figure is not 2000 dead. It is more like 700 Muslims and 300 Hindus. Your lot purposely exaggerate this figure for brownie points. Secondly your lot gloss over the fact that 50 pilgrims were burnt alive in a railway carriage by gods chosen people and that similar nonsense has happened several times before. Modis rise is in part a rebellion against Muslims repeatedly using their vote bank status to get away with murder.
Does that escuse what happened in Gujarat? NO it does not. Does it EXPLAIN it, YES it does.
Source:
Gawkadal massacre - Wikipedia
Gaw Kadal massacre: Lone survivor recounts CRPF terror
The killing fields of Jammu: How Muslims become a minority
So will you justify the rise of Burhan Wani's the way you justified Modi's rise?
What temple of birthplace of Ram? There is no proof of Ram forget about Ram mandir, you blew up a mosque, killed in thousands just because of your "astha". Good little habit of tolerants to make claims on lands they love to make a "bhavya mandir" on, deposit an idol in the dark of night, then dig it the next morning and claim that the land belongs to their God.How come the followers of the God of compassion and mercy cannot find it in their selfish little hearts to hand over the temple of the birth place of Ram? - one of the most important gods of the Hindu pantheon - If your lot had been more generous about that, Modi would still be selling tea at a railway station because no one would be buying his ideology for sure.
If India had been Sweden, we would have weeded out a ideology which strives to declare a certain set of citizens as lesser humans and Indians thereby denying them equal rights. No wonder this cancer was allowed to spread throughout India thanks to the illiterate, superstitious, poverty laden, semi formed nation state.If India had been Sweden, we would have weeded out the idiology that claims that it is OK to roast infidels who hold viewpoints not to our liking. But India is not Sweden, it is an illiterate, superstitious, poverty laden, semi formed nation state. - too many of us still pooping on the road in the 21st century. We can only try and that we do.
That is a very old post, I can't search it for you just because you don't remember. I did point it to you earlier, you ignored even then. Now you want to act naive. Well no issues, I will point it out when I again come across one such post and I hope you will speak out against the bigotry even if it pertains to your lot.What is with this sarthak thingy? Can you point me to the place where I ignored something truly gross he said? I am not saying I didn't do that, but I don't remember. Much as it is hard for you to believe, I do not normally agree with or like open bigotry.