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[Sky lord]

Modi has been more effective than Congress ever has in isolating Pakistan.

Even the Americans are starting to turn, and Pakistan is being squeezed by Chinese business interests who see Pakistan as an easily exploitable nation like those in Africa with high interest rates and Chinese labour. Meanwhile, Modi's moves in the GCC nations, at a key time when Pakistan refused military support in Yemen, have done a lot in isolating Pakistan.

By making such an informal visit he is de-legitimizing the Pakistani military government's role in foreign affairs. Not even the ISI knew about this one, and even the Pakistani NSA couldn't make it in time. This itself will drive a wedge between the military/intelligence in Pakistan and the civilian government, whom the military establishment will suspect as operating behind their backs. If the civilian government, rather than the military one, in Pakistan can actually get control of the nation, then things can be a lot different and a lot more easy to handle.

I hope you are right, but i don't think India is powerful enough to drive any wedges. IF that were possible Amrika would have done it long ago, they have more resources. I agree that PA is somewhat on a back foot and they don't want to do a Musharaf again at least till people have forgotten Mushy's disastrous terms. but they have a finger on a lot of pressure points of the political leadership and the media is mostly in their direct control. There is not a lot that India can do to about that....after all this is an army that has lost every war but is still boss, they know what they are doing...

 

[Jai Bharat]

I hope you are right, but i don't think India is powerful enough to drive any wedges. IF that were possible Amrika would have done it long ago, they have more resources. I agree that PA is somewhat on a back foot and they don't want to do a Musharaf again at least till people have forgotten Mushy's disastrous terms. but they have a finger on a lot of pressure points of the political leadership and the media is mostly in their direct control. There is not a lot that India can do to about that.

You see it is not about 'power', it is about legitimacy. All Modi did was have a cup of tea at NS's house. He ignored the military of Pakistan entirely bypassing the NSA of Pakistan as well, even though everyone full knows who runs the show in Pakistan. When America talks, they also go directly to the military government. This is a mistake. You don't do anything to legitimize the military. Pakistani military is filled with a bunch of idiots and jingos who eat up their own propaganda, that's how you end up with a 1971 and 1998 scenario.

With a simple stopover and a cup of tea, Modi has recognized the civilian government as being the one and only legitimate outlet to engage with India. Now, even if the Pakistani military wants to talk they will have to first ask Nawaz, as he has a direct and now personal connection with Modi, where every other outlet has failed. This itself is the biggest breakthrough in the goal of normalizing relations in over a decade.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

You see it is not about 'power', it is about legitimacy. All Modi did was have a cup of tea at NS's house. He ignored the military of Pakistan entirely bypassing the NSA of Pakistan as well, even though everyone full knows who runs the show in Pakistan. When America talks, they also go directly to the military government. This is a mistake. You don't do anything to legitimize the military. Pakistani military is filled with a bunch of idiots and jingos who eat up their own propaganda, that's how you end up with a 1971 and 1998 scenario.

With a simple stopover and a cup of tea, Modi has recognized the civilian government as being the one and only legitimate outlet to engage with India. Now, even if the Pakistani military wants to talk they will have to first ask Nawaz, as he has a direct and now personal connection with Modi, where every other outlet has failed. This itself is the biggest breakthrough in the goal of normalizing relations in over a decade.

Mate, these moves (Modi trying to lend legitimacy to NS by meeting him directly and bypassing the GHQ) are symbolic at best. Everybody knows that when it comes to crunch time, Pindi inserts itself in the middle while ejecting everybody else unceremoniously.

Besides, let's not forget that NS is not innocent (if not a double-headed snake) himself. He knew all too well about the Kargil attack - only eager to take credit, had it gone Pakistan's way.

 

[Sky lord]

You see it is not about 'power', it is about legitimacy. All Modi did was have a cup of tea at NS's house. He ignored the military of Pakistan entirely bypassing the NSA of Pakistan as well, even though everyone full knows who runs the show in Pakistan. When America talks, they also go directly to the military government. This is a mistake. You don't do anything to legitimize the military. Pakistani military is filled with a bunch of idiots and jingos who eat up their own propaganda, that's how you end up with a 1971 and 1998 scenario.

With a simple stopover and a cup of tea, Modi has recognized the civilian government as being the one and only legitimate outlet to engage with India. Now, even if the Pakistani military wants to talk they will have to first ask Nawaz, as he has a direct and now personal connection with Modi, where every other outlet has failed. This itself is the biggest breakthrough in the goal of normalizing relations in over a decade.

I do see the point you are making, but my gut is that PA will do whatever it takes to be an integral part of any negotiation. They cannot do another Mumbai but there are other options to finger India. It is not that they are particularly smart but they are amoral, ruthless, they own terrorists and they are not accountable to anyone

Anyway, let us wait and see, I only care about what happens to India and like you I hope Modi knows what he is doing......

 

[jaunty]

Intolerance is about to rise again.
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Rs 2500 per annum and 30 other production houses haven't paid it? Must be an oversight rather than fraud. A non issue really, send a notice and recover it.

It seems some people are trying very hard to find dirt on SRK and Aamir. They found some 700 or 800 rupees on Aamir and this on SRK. LOL

 

[magudi]

Rs 2500 per annum and 30 other production houses haven't paid it? Must be an oversight rather than fraud. A non issue really, send a notice and recover it.

It seems some people are trying very hard to find dirt on SRK and Aamir. They found some 700 or 800 rupees on Aamir and this on SRK. LOL

Please visit the thread more often, bhakt orgasm here is way too high at times

 

[fsayed]

Please visit the thread more often, bhakt orgasm here is way too high at times

Jolt for BJP in MP civic body polls, Cong gains - Times of India

 

[ranjeet]

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@fsayed
Why are my posts being reported? One can't open a new thread for every new development.

 

[LaBong]

This is BJP Gen Secretary

India, Pakistan and Bangladesh will reunite to form 'Akhand Bharat': Ram Madhav - Times of India

What is this BJP fixation with Pakistan or is this a north indian thing? In one hand BJP sends everyone against sangh policy to Pakistan and then want to reunite with Pakistan. Make up your mind no?

 

[Jason bourne]

ET:Congress journal lauds Vallabhbhai Patel, blames Jawaharlal Nehru for Kashmir and Tibet issues - Congress journal lauds Vallabhbhai Patel, blames Jawaharlal Nehru for Kashmir and Tibet issues - The Economic Times

 

[dray]

What is this BJP fixation with Pakistan or is this a north indian thing? In one hand BJP sends everyone against sangh policy to Pakistan and then want to reunite with Pakistan. Make up your mind no?

They love to troll Pakistanis just like I love to troll the Bangladeshis!!

 

[Levina]

In one hand BJP sends everyone against sangh policy to Pakistan and then want to reunite with Pakistan. Make up your mind no?

RSS supports talks with Pakistan

 

[JanjaWeed]

Congress mouthpiece calls Sonia Gandhi's father a 'fascist soldier', slams Jawaharlal Nehru - Times of India

 

[skyisthelimit]

Congress mouthpiece calls Sonia Gandhi's father a 'fascist soldier', slams Jawaharlal Nehru - Times of India

The hypocricy is that they sacked the editor and ask for Sanjay Nirupam resignation on same day for saying the reality.

If BJP sacks then they say BJP has no internal freedom.

So much is the freedom in CONgrass internal activities.

 

[JanjaWeed]

The hypocricy is that they sacked the editor and ask for Sanjay Nirupam resignation on same day for saying the reality.

If BJP sacks then they say BJP has no internal freedom.

So much is the freedom in CONgrass internal activities.

Sacked him straightaway? Not even suspension? Talk about intolerance & FOE, these guys take the biscuit. Got to see how many intellectuals, writers, journalists & editors come out to support their comrade!