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[Abingdonboy]

Its about making a powerful Indian lobby abroad. The Kargil and the nuclear bomb testing gave Modi a lot of experience, as i believe he was personally involved in using Indian diaspora and Indian lobby to put pressure on Americans on Pakistan and reducing sanctions.

This, the showcasing of the Indian diaspora present in foreign lands, is perhaps the most tangible benefit from these appearances and not one to be laughed at. I would argue, however, that the Indian "lobby" is far more useful in Canada and the US- in the UK the Pakistani(which is tied with the even larger Muslim) lobby will always trump it.

 

[Star Wars]

Punjab, UP, WB and Bihar would be the ones desperately in need of such a tyrannical technocracy.


But whilst one can make these statements and whilst it may, in fact, be true let's remain realistic. This is India, the only change that will occur will have to happen within the structures that exist i.e. through the democratic process. Other than pointing out the obvious I am clueless to the actual solutions, I thought that people were more sensible than this in 2015. No doubt the Indian population on the whole is- as showcased by the 2014 General Election, but there remain a lot of those who cannot seem to see the bigger picture nor the right thing to do but it is not right to blame them, they are the products of their environment.

One has to be truly grateful that India has got to where has when Biharis are a representation of what most Indians were a few decades ago.

Bihar and U.P are entirely different states. These are states were education and development was deliberately ignored so that people can be obsessed with caste and religious bullshit. I heard that less than 1% of Bihar has access to the Internet and only 14% have access to TV. From following a few Facebook Biharis i seem to feel the impression that its Vote for Modi as PM and Nitish/Lalu or any regional leader as C.M. There is a reason why even toilets were not constructed for this long. Can you believe it took 2015 to have toilets in every school ? All it took was 1 and a half years of work.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Sir with all due respect

Don't keep much hopes on justice being delivered be it BJP or AAP whose conducting investigations

To be honest, I hold almost no hope of justice being delivered but I would love to be pleasantly surprised. I am still at a total loss to understand why there seems to be no interest by the GoI to conduct these investigations- it seems highly suspicious.

 

[Star Wars]

If what you said is true then BJP needs a better media & IT policy

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To be honest, I hold almost no hope of justice being delivered but I would love to be pleasantly surprised. I am still at a total loss to understand why there seems to be no interest by the GoI to conduct these investigations- it seems highly suspicious.

If bills are passed in the coming winter session, then we know

 

[Abingdonboy]

Bihar and U.P are entirely different states. These are states were education and development was deliberately ignored so that people can be obsessed with caste and religious bullshit. I heard that less than 1% of Bihar has access to the Internet and only 14% have access to TV. From following a few Facebook Biharis i seem to feel the impression that its Vote for Modi as PM and Nitish/Lalu or any regional leader as C.M. There is a reason why even toilets were not constructed for this long. Can you believe it took 2015 to have toilets in every school ? All it took was 1 and a half years of work.

The only hope is that the "competitive federalism" approach the GoI has tried to implement in the past 18 months will shame/motivate these governments to do something and this will snowball. The kind of state by state rankings you see on education, per capita income, literacy etc etc should be highly publicised by an independent agency.

It's an awfully long road, the population of UP and Bihar exceeds the entire population of N.America...

 

[magudi]

The only hope is that the "competitive federalism" approach the GoI has tried to implement in the past 18 months will shame/motivate these governments to do something and this will snowball. The kind of state by state rankings you see on education, per capita income, literacy etc etc should be highly publicised by an independent agency.

It's an awfully long road, the population of UP and Bihar exceeds the entire population of N.America...

the onlycompetitive fedaralism you can hope in 'Mandal' lands is who gives more reservation and to whom

 

[Star Wars]

The only hope is that the "competitive federalism" approach the GoI has tried to implement in the past 18 months will shame/motivate these governments to do something and this will snowball. The kind of state by state rankings you see on education, per capita income, literacy etc etc should be highly publicised by an independent agency.

It's an awfully long road, the population of UP and Bihar exceeds the entire population of N.America...

This is Lalu, Nitish may feel some shame but not Lalu, The uneducated mass only benefits him as he get votes on Caste divisions, as long as it benefits him he will keep the people on the ground. Once the States around them go 15-20 years in the future when it comes to development, economic and social progress only then will i hope will people come to understand what they have done to themselves...


There is a book called "Wars guns and Democracy" i suggest you read it. It very apt for places like U.P and Bihar.

 

[Abingdonboy]

If bills are passed in the coming winter session, then we know

Ah, fair point. To an extent, in a purely utilitarian sense, the passing of bills to progress the nation as a whole at the cost of justice for those victims makes sense but it is still f*cked up. Economic progress matters little to the dead and even those who have been bereaved.

I will still hold a morsel of hope that something looking like justice will be delivered before the end of Modi's term.

 

[Darmashkian]

Bihar polls: In BJP war room, caste, only caste is the winner | The Indian Express


It was 9 am, some TV channels had jumped the gun to project a BJP win and party chief Amit Shah, the architect of the Bihar campaign, left his 11, Akbar Road, home to greet L K Advani on his birthday. In less than an hour, as he saw the Grand Alliance lead steadily climb to more than 70 seats, Shah, his aide told The Indian Express, got the first intimations of defeat.

By the time he returned home at 10.30 am, it was almost over — a resounding defeat for the man who had invested a blistering eight months in Bihar with three-hour sleep and a fasting blood sugar of 230. His refrain on the campaign trail: “No one has a real idea of how much urja (energy) we have invested in Bihar.”


With that energy nowhere evident in the final tally today, the party’s chief strategist — his icons are Chanakya and Veer Savarkar — had failed. And failed spectacularly.

On his return, he walked up to his mother’s photograph and stood there for two minutes. She passed away in 2010 and Shah, aides said, prayed for her blessings “to withstand the crisis.”

With the defeat confirmed, his campaign comrades Ananth Kumar, Bhupendra Yadav and Dharmendra Pradhan joined him. Once the Grand Alliance crossed the 140-mark, Union Ministers Nitin Gadkari and Rajnath Singh dropped in.

The consensus of their huddle: this was “caste, caste and caste-based voting.”
They had two key arguments: One, “Until he starts enjoying the fruits of economic growth, the poor voter at the bottom of the social pyramid will continue to put his trust only in his caste leader who he thinks will deliver.” And, two: “We always knew RJD-JD(U) and Congress had arithmetic in their favour. Their caste base was known. When we tried to mix development with Hindu sentiments we found that castes like Yadavs were looking at their own chance to get power. We used certain Hindu idioms to break caste nexus but we failed.” A Cabinet Minister who attended Shah’s lunch said: “The defeat shows that we could not enhance our social base in Bihar at all.”

Sources said BJP spokespersons have got the message from the “highest level” to “defend RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat (some in the party have expressed reservations about his comment on quotas) and not speak against his comments in any manner on TV shows.”

At lunch, Shah downplayed the defeat. “Lokshahi mein haar-jeet chalti rahti hai. Have your food,” he told party general secretary Kailash Vijayvargiya. And told his deputies that he would convene a meeting after Diwali to discuss plans for the West Bengal poll campaign. He asked his deputies to call all defeated candidates and district BJP chiefs in Bihar and tell them not to be “depressed.” He told one of the many who called him today: “I have the energy to work for the next two lives.”

Right through the day, his phone kept ringing with calls from Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Baba Ramdev, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and his family members and relatives, too. His most common reply: “I have not lost courage. I will try and understand what happened on the ground and how. We will move on and recover fast. You don’t worry. Keep praying to God.”

Even though Shah claimed that the party had not lost confidence, there is little doubt that the defeat has hit it hard. Some in the party attribute it to the “forwards vs backwards” formulation of RJD leader Lalu Prasad Yadav. Indeed, Shah, aides said, thinks that the Yadav voters wanted the “Yadav raj” back and that’s why voted for Nitish Kumar with their feet.

Many BJP leaders claim that the beef issue had little impact. “Is there any doubt that Muslims would not have voted en masse for the Grand Alliance? BJP raised cow and such issues only after Phase 3 and Phase 4 of voting was over. We have got 12 seats out of 23 so how can you say voters rejected us for mentioning cow and beef?

- See more at: Bihar polls: In BJP war room, caste, only caste is the winner | The Indian Express

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[magudi]

This is Lalu, Nitish may feel some shame but not Lalu, The uneducated mass only benefits him as he get votes on Caste divisions, as long as it benefits him he will keep the people on the ground. Once the States around them go 15-20 years in the future when it comes to development, economic and social progress only then will i hope will people come to understand what they have done to themselves...


There is a book called "Wars guns and Democracy" i suggest you read it. It very apt for places like U.P and Bihar.

Next election you should post only negative stuff and worst case scenario , let's see how that fares

 

[Abingdonboy]

This is Lalu, Nitish may feel some shame but not Lalu, The uneducated mass only benefits him as he get votes on Caste divisions, as long as it benefits him he will keep the people on the ground. Once the States around them go 15-20 years in the future when it comes to development, economic and social progress only then will i hope will people come to understand what they have done to themselves...

Exactly, this is what I was alluding to. I don't hold any hopes this is going to happen in anything reasonably the near term.

 

[Darmashkian]

Ah, fair point. To an extent, in a purely utilitarian sense, the passing of bills to progress the nation as a whole at the cost of justice for those victims makes sense but it is still f*cked up. Economic progress matters little to the dead and even those who have been bereaved.

I will still hold a morsel of hope that something looking like justice will be delivered before the end of Modi's term.

TBH I feel there is no hope for states like UP & Bihar.. If they want caste & goonda raj before vikas they will get only the first two.
The fact that the most casteist party in India was the single largest party & the one that talked vikas was thrashed proves it.

@Star Wars Can we get a free pdf file of that book online??

 

[Star Wars]

TBH I feel there is no hope for states like UP & Bihar.. If they want caste & goonda raj before vikas they will get only the first two.
The fact that the most casteist party in India was the single largest party & the one that talked vikas was thrashed proves it.

@Star Wars Can we get a free pdf file of that book online??

No clue, i had a copy long ago. was a really good book which describes how democracy works in backward areas and how democracy was the worst thing to give for a 3rd world or developing country,

Exactly, this is what I was alluding to. I don't hold any hopes this is going to happen in anything reasonably the near term.

If things go as planned in BJP ruled states along with A.P and Orissa, by 2019 farmers in U.P and Bihar it self will start feeling the heat.

Next election you should post only negative stuff and worst case scenario , let's see how that fares

Then i will be right, I will keep my mouth shut next election

 

[vsdoc]

Do share your experience's

That's like 18 years of my life man. Not counting the solo ride I did around the country on my Bullet in 2004 winter. This was 14 states in 13 riding days. I was on the road for 21 days, and covered 8500 kms, Pune to Pune.

North Bihar I smashed my bike and had to load it on to a train and take it to Delhi, where I got her repaired and headed to Himachal and then the return leg through Punjab, Rajasthan, Gujarat, back to Pune.

No ticket, sitting next to the door near the toilet. With a sadhu baba chain smoking ganja chillums for company. Slept on newspapers on the floor. In my riding jacket and boots and pants and gloves. This is end December in north India, so you would imagine the cold.

Oh yes, I was riding along the same coastline (Chennai to Kolkata) which got hit by the tsunami just hardly days later.

Good days.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I will tell you something, go to twitter and follow Minaz Merchent and Sadanda Dhume twitter handles. Every BJP state along with A.P and Orissa is passing reforms. A lot of works is being done on the ground especially on agriculture, water conservation, river linking etc...

I don't doubt what you are saying mate. My biggest issue is that this state by state piecemeal approach is only going to go so far. The BJP at the centre needs to step up its game and deliver similar results across the nation. It is fair to point out the good work being done on a state level however it is also far too nuanced to be applicable to measuring the performance of the GoI as a whole.

As for 2019, ignore it... By 2017-2018 the results of all the development projects will be apparent. Again, don't focus on TV for news. Also follow twitter handles of every Ministry. A lot of work is being done and nobody knows about it

A fair point, I have been on many of the ministries' twitter accounts and no doubt many are doing some incredible work (MoD not so much ). That said, it is a total failure on the GoI's part for not publicising them more.