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[tuo padre]

Aah says who? A new recruit! Who's Alter-ego are you?

Tipu sultans . problemo ?

 

[ranjeet]

Oh yes I can understand how hard this damn of a word is for you...

Your signature speaks volume about your reasoning abilities.

 

[Juggernautjatt]

APJ abdul kalam is no more..............news confirmed on TV channels

 

[Samudra Manthan]

and your source is what, tamiltribune ? And you actually complain that Indians troll ?

You are an idiot for telling me whats happening in Tamil Nadu. I have gone to every nook and cranny of that place and what you are talking about here is nothing but a wet dream. Seriously... take this nonsense somewhere else...

His hate for India darkens all his posts yet I see the seculars here always supporting him as a "nice guy."

 

[The_Showstopper]

Your signature speaks volume about your reasoning abilities.

My signature is a reflection of what is experienced by some former "Ache Din" troopers and I believe you are a possible recruit among them at least your recent posts on your beloved Modi indicate that you seem to join them in near future...

 

[ranjeet]

My signature is a reflection of what is experienced by some former "Ache Din" troopers and I believe you are a possible recruit among them at least your recent posts on your beloved Modi indicate that you seem to join them in near future...

And I thought we were arguing about reasoning.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi min raajioon
RIP APJ Abdul kalam

And I thought we were arguing about reasoning.

Were we? I thought we were speaking about justifying wrongs committed...

 

[ranjeet]

Were we? I thought we were speaking about justifying wrongs committed...

Oh yah, with reasons.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Oh yah, with reasons.

As you say...

 

[Gibbs]

You are missing the point. Freedom fight is not necessarily one that is always 'noble'. The means used are often vile.

I did'nt miss the point.. Calling the LTTE a freedom movement is Hypocritical.. There was nothing called freedom that they fought for.. It was cult worshiping a megalomaniac that wanted a carve out a monoethnic racist fiefdom.. They ethnically cleansed all Muslims and Sinhalese from thier pseudo "homeland".. Massacred ethnic minorities in those regions.. Ever wonder why it came to a abrupt end in SL soil after the death of Prabhakaran ? True freedom movement dont die with their leaders

So i reiterate if Indians consider the LTTE brain child of TN supremacist polity a freedom movement and their actions legitimate of that very cause, Vile or not.. I see no issue in others considering the likes of LeT, Khalistan, Assamese, Kashmiri and other insurgents actions against Indian nationals legitimate as well.. For argument sake as well

 

[The_Showstopper]

 

[mooppan]

You can act a clown and stick your head in sand or you can actually learn about a thing or to of whats happening in your state.. Or it's just a deliberate attempt to be in denial or not to be seen to upset the apple cart

One thing is sure though.. You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.



Tamil Nadu Independence Movements (Separatists, Secessionists)

Sites like Tamil Tribune/Tamil Canadian etc are funded and managed by Tamil 'kadhaikira' Tamilarhal,not Tamil 'pesira' tamils..'Kadhai' means 'Speak' in Srilankan Tamil,'Pesu' in Indian Tamil dialect..
These are owned by Srilankan jaffna/batticoloa Tamil refugees of mainly France,Canada,Norway and Australia,not the Tamils of Indian orgin..Even in overseas,They have zero-very little interaction with Indian Tamils..Its true,They hate India and Indians,even the Srilankan Tamil Hindu ones..

 

[Gibbs]

Sites like Tamil Tribune/Tamil Canadian etc are funded and managed by Tamil 'kadhaikira' Tamilarhal,not Tamil 'pesira' tamils..'Kadhai' means 'Speak' in Srilankan Tamil,'Pesu' in Indian Tamil dialect..
These are owned by Srilankan jaffna/batticoloa Tamil refugees of mainly France,Canada,Norway and Australia,not the Tamils of Indian orgin..Even in overseas,They have zero-very little interaction with Indian Tamils..Its true,They hate India and Indians,even the Srilankan Tamil Hindu ones..

I'ám aware of that.. Also i personally know few Indian origin Tamils that regret that their identity as Tamils have been hijacked by Sri Lankan Tamils especially extremist ones in the West who are very prominent .. So much so in places like Canada, Britain, France and Australia the word Tamil is synonymous with Terrorism and extremism of Lankan Tamils

But ;lets not diminish the content just because of the source.. Most of what is written is not without valid facts

Also pls notice my focus on Tamil Nadu polity not ordinary population both interms of attrition towards Sri Lanka and separatist ideals within India

 

[jamahir]

I am not against abolishing taxes but this should be done in a planned manner to prevent chaos in economy. In our country it is not that easy to abolish all taxes in one go because there are legal and constitutional issues involved

"the constitution" is not a thing of nature - fixed and natural... it can be modified or replaced it it fails in bringing development.

india i would say has the most convoluted legal system in the world... it seems more a system to keep lawyers in wages than a system to help people... many land and property disputes have gone on for decades... a proper socialist society ends this in one go by making land a property of the system, to be alloted to citizens as per need... simple.

think of the "swaraj" decentralized self-governance system proposed by the "aam aadmi party"... its elements replace what is in the current constitution... should then the aap direct-democracy idea be declared as "anti-national" ( in the sanghi manner )??

And administration of the new regime would require a huge overall of the existing system, most importantly the banking system. Also India has large number of illiterate people, for them banking is a complicated thing.

banking is complicated for three reasons, (a). interest-based loans and background, (b). existence of private banks, (c). banks not being simple instruments of saving money and getting loans.

At the same time I am in favor imposing taxes on corporate earnings , buying luxury goods, drinking & smoking items & usage of non renewable natural resources because India is a developing country it needs money for development.

the "poor" also massively waste money on weddings, college degrees, pilgrimages and festival celebrations... all these cultural events should also be taxed.

intention should be encouraging the indian public to entreprenuers whose "businesses" are collective ( cooperative ) occupations.

as for alcohol and smoking, i would speak for their ban but yes, they can be heavily taxed to begin with... the rich and the "poor" must be taxed equally on this.

& on abolishing interest system issue I am totally against it. It will result in failure of banking system & discourage people to put their savings in banks. It is not a reform it is just a Sharia banking.

if india had interest-less economics, no one need have suicided for direct and indirect reasons... why should the word "sharia" stop the country from adopting a fine idea... why should prophet jesus and prophet muhammad be seen as impediment in bringing radical change to india... did you know that the indian civil marriage law derives indirectly from islami marriage rules?? if anyone objects to the most sane of things just because it is from christian or islami background, then that person is being reactionary and not wise.

@The_Showstopper

 

[itachiii]

But that doesn't prove that the temple was brought down for a mosque to be built over it.

The initial claim of muslim groups always been that there never existed a temple in the first phase, and If it is proven that there existed a temple they would give up there rights over the land.. this thought was shattered after the report submitted by ASI with substantial proofs that there existed a large hindu complex and the mosque is directly built over the hindu temple. and If you had read the link it clearly states that the temple complex was constantly updated over time.. "a massive structure just below the disputed structure and evidence of continuity in structural activities from the 10th century onwards" and suddenly this activity stops and a mosque pops up in the same temple site, u don't want me to consider it to be a coincidence right ??

If you are expecting the court to declare if the temple was razed down by babur, then thats practically impossible as it happend in 16th century and in a case like this they couldn't pass a judgement from books written by historians but on facts substantial evidences..
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anyway more proofs about muslim invaders razing down the temple to build a mosque..

Prior to Indian independence, several travelers in the region recorded their testimonies about the history of the site.

Joseph Tieffenthaler[edit]
The Austrian Jesuit Joseph Tieffenthaler wrote in 1768: "Emperor Aurangzeb demolished the fortress called Ramcot, and erected on the same place a Mohammedan temple with three cupolas. Others believe that it was constructed by Babor."[20] Tieffenthaler also writes that Hindus celebrated Ram Navami (Rama's birth festival) in front of the mosque, and that the mosque was built on a temple.[21] He wrote: "The reason is that here existed formerly a house in which Beschan (Vishnu) took birth in the form of Rama and where it is said his three brothers were also born. Subsequently Aurangzeb and some say Babur destroyed the place in order to prevent the heathens from practising their ceremonies. However, they have continued to practice their religious ceremonies in both the places knowing this to have been the birth place of Rama by going around it three times and prostrating on the ground."[22]

Shykh Muhammad Azamat Ali Kakorawi Nami[edit]
Shykh Muhammad Azamat Ali Kakorawi Nami (1811–1893) wrote: ‘According to old records, it has been a rule with the Muslim rulers from the first to build mosques, monasteries, and inns, spread Islam, and put (a stop to) non-Islamic practices, wherever they found prominence (of kufr). Accordingly, even as they cleared up Mathura, Bindraban, etc., from the rubbish of non-Islamic practices, the Babari mosque was built up in 923(?) A.H. under the patronage of Sayyid Musa Ashiqan in the Janmasthan temple in Faizabad-Avadh, which was a great place of (worship) and capital of Rama’s father’ (p. 9). ‘Among the Hindus it was known as Sita ki Rasoi’ (p. 10).[23] Zak Kakorawi, in his publication of the work of Shykh Azamat Ali Kakorawi Nami, also includes an excerpt written by Mirza Rajab Ali Beg Surur. Mirza Rajab Ali Beg Surur (1787–1867) wrote in Fasanah-i Ibrat that ‘a great mosque was built on the spot where Sita ki Rasoi is situated. During the regime of Babar, The mosque was built in 923(?) A.H. under the patronage of Sayyid Mir Ashiqan… Aurangzeb built a mosque on the Hanuman Garhi… The Bairagis raised the mosque and erected a temple in its place. Then idols began to be worshipped openly in the Babari mosque where the Sita ki Rasoi is situated,’ (pp. 71–72).

A. Führer wrote that: 'Mir Khan built a masjid in A.H. 930 during the reign of Babur, which still bears his name. This old temple must have been a fine one, for many of its columns have been utilised by the Musalmans in the construction of Babur's Masjid.'[24]

H.R. Neville wrote that the Janmasthan temple "was destroyed by Babur and replaced by a mosque."[25] He also wrote "The Janmasthan was in Ramkot and marked the birthplace of Rama. In 1528 A.D. Babur came to Ayodhya and halted here for a week. He destroyed the ancient temple and on its site built a mosque, still known as Babur's mosque. The materials of the old structure [i.e., the temple] were largely employed, and many of the columns were in good preservation."[26]

And the findings of ASI has many loopholes in it which has been/will be challenged in Supreme Court.
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Experts split on Ayodhya findings

the article you quoted is from 2003.. Findings of ASI were recorded in a scientific manner with the assistance of foreign countries.. of the 3 judge bench one happens to be a muslim and he himself agreed that there existed a temple before the mosque was built. and the case was taken to supreme court not on the findings of ASI but on the judgement delivered by allahabad high court. muslim groups went to SC as a face saver and VHP in order to reclaim the entire land..

I'ám aware of that.. Also i personally know few Indian origin Tamils that regret that their identity as Tamils have been hijacked by Sri Lankan Tamils especially extremist ones in the West who are very prominent .. So much so in places like Canada, Britain, France and Australia the word Tamil is synonymous with Terrorism and extremism of Lankan Tamils

But ;lets not diminish the content just because of the source.. Most of what is written is not without valid facts

Also pls notice my focus on Tamil Nadu polity not ordinary population both interms of attrition towards Sri Lanka and separatist ideals within India

most of the tamil chauvinists like vaiko that you quote are not even tamils by origin.. they are infact one among million telugus settled in tamil nadu.. a large number of tamil chauvinists indeed have telugu origins and are just taking TN for a ride.. and yeah we are not brushing it up under carpet but there is no tamil secessionist activities in TN