Indian PM Modi, Afghan President Ghani jointly inaugurate Kabul's Stor Palace

[pakistani342]

Unstable Afghanistan will be the albatross around pakistans neck. An unstable afghanistan will keep pakistan occupied and will not allow much economic progress to happen. Pakistan will have to spend more time,money & effort in propping up anti-afghan forces. Over a period of time pakistan will fall behind the world by 10 years.

Even if not for India , afghanistan will not be vacated by western forces due to china factor. As such pakistan has just jumped into a bottomless pit.

ummm no not necessarily -- has Gaza been able to impede Israel's progress in any practical way?
Answer: No -- have you seen Haifa lately?

Similarly an isolated Afghanistan in Turmoil will be a headache but not an albatross -- Afghanistan is just not that big vis-a-vis Pakistan. Afghanistan is not a nuclear armed state.

And simply the proof is there -- Pakistan was fine in the 1980s when Afghanistan was in greater turmoil even when Pakistan accepted millions of Afghan refugees.

So in this century:
1. Expel Afghans -- which to my disbelief seems to be happening
2. Dig a trench (more or less done) and insulate Pakistan from Afghanistan -- which again to my disbelief is progressing

A. Focus on internal development and (if possible) normalizing relations with India.
a. getting the GDP up
b. really leveraging the relationship with China
i. Creating Chinese cultural centers
ii. Focusing on CPEC
iii. Projecting China in the Middle East
B. A weak Afghanistan will also dampen any Indian desire to use it against Pakistan -- you will have the odd bomb blast that will cause civilian casualties but even Europe and Turkey are not immune from that.

By contrast:

A stable but hostile Afghanistan can definitely be more than an albatross for Pakistan.

Lol somebody give this guy a basic history lesson. Pashtuns and Hindus were constantly fighting each other, and the Hindu nationalists/BJP/RSS's beloved Marathas were trounced by Ahmed Shah Abdali at Panipat. The only thing that has changed now is the emergence of Pakistan which has brought the Pashtuns in Afghanistan closer to India due to hate of Pakistan. Afghans are extremely and I repeat extremely stupid if they believe Hindu nationalists actually care about them. Hypothetically (although it will never happen) if the Indians take over Pakistan then the next in line will be Afghanistan to create 'Akhand Bharat'

Exactly my point -- yet India has been smart enough to turn the narrative around.

.

 

[Kambojaric]

The world will be upside down if you take every politician's word for word. Modi's aim is to build a strong relationship between modern-day India and modern-day Afghanistan. To reach that goal, he will say a lot of things that might or might not have historical accuracy - that's the job description of a politician.

(even though the said statement is fairly accurate in the post-independence period)

Being from Pakistan, where the civilian govt. capsizes under the Army dictatorship every now & then, you should know this better than anyone. I replied because your post was clearly not about Modi's statement, it was about how Indians & Afghans were not friends at one point of time in the distant past, so they can't be friends now, either.

...which only puts up your naivety for everyone to see. But why are you so naive and butthurt? I have already explained that in the previous post -

" Only those that detest the very existence of India, or those who consider the Taliban/ISIS to be their allies have a valid reason to be hateful. "

Did you answer my question in relation to Modi's statement? No of course not. Once again I said Modi should take a basic history lesson because to say Afghans and Indians have "always been friends" shows serious lack of knowledge. You have not been able to refute my statement or answer my question and are now engaged in all kinds of mumble jumble that I frankly do not care about as it does not relate to anything I have asked or argued.

The most self-contradictory and naive line I have read in the forum in a long time.

If you think that Indians taking over Pakistan will never happen, then from where does the question of taking over Afghanistan even arise?

You establish that vampires don't exist as a fact...and then proceed to scare people by telling them about vampires?

What level of stupidity is this?

Dear me, did you forget the hypothetical part in my post? Please find the definition of the word below from the Cambridge dictionary in case you did not understand the term and went charging into a response:

"imagined or suggested but not necessarily real or true" (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/hypothetical)

To explain the whole thing to you once again. in a hypothetical scenario where India takes over Pakistan, then in that hypothetical scenario Afghanistan is next in line, based on the precincts of Hindu nationalism which advocate Akhand Bharat (of which both Afghanistan and Pakistan are a part of)

Exactly my point -- yet India has been smart enough to turn the narrative around.

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I would credit Indian intelligence less for it than Afghan hatred for Pakistan. Modi can patently lie in front of them but if he follows it up with a statement against Pakistan, then they will be praising day and night the qualities of Modi. That in part relates to our foreign office's failure as well although to what extent they should be blamed I do not know. Given that Afghanistan refuses to recognize an internationally recognized border, that kind of says everything about how serious they are in having a friendly relationship with Pakistan.

 

[pakistani342]

Did you answer my question in relation to Modi's statement? No of course not. Once again I said Modi should take a basic history lesson because to say Afghans and Indians have "always been friends" shows serious lack of knowledge. You have not been able to refute my statement or answer my question and are now engaged in all kinds of mumble jumble that I frankly do not care about as it does not relate to anything I have asked or argued.




Dear me, did you forget the hypothetical part in my post? Please find the definition of the word below from the Cambridge dictionary in case you did not understand the term and went charging into a response:

"imagined or suggested but not necessarily real or true" (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/hypothetical)

To explain the whole thing to you once again. in a hypothetical scenario where India takes over Pakistan, then in that hypothetical scenario Afghanistan is next in line, based on the precincts of Hindu nationalism which advocate Akhand Bharat (of which both Afghanistan and Pakistan are a part of)



I would credit Indian intelligence less for it than Afghan hatred for Pakistan. Modi can patently lie in front of them but if he follows it up with a statement against Pakistan, then they will be praising day and night the qualities of Modi. That in part relates to our foreign office's failure as well although to what extent they should be blamed I do not know. Given that Afghanistan refuses to recognize an internationally recognized border, that kind of says everything about how serious they are in having a friendly relationship with Pakistan.

Fair -- but I think India has been very smart -- for a fraction of the cost of ownership of an Air Force Squadron India has been able to create a strategic threat for Pakistan; it is a brilliant maneuver. Absolutely brilliant!!! And absolutely stupid for Pakistan (I mean how many sacrifices and how much cost has Pakistan borne) and utterly idiotic for the Afghans (they gained nothing from their machinations and are hurting themselves for a few kind words -- lol). Further -- it has no lasting consequence for India -- they can immediately choose to pursue good relations with Pakistan.

Afarin Bharat, Afarin -- Shabbash!

There is a saying: By force you cannot take an Afghan to heaven with you but by a few sweet words the Afghan will gladly go to hell for you -- sadly the tragic looser by a large margin, out of the strategic competition between Indian and Pakistan is Afghanistan. The Indians must be laughing all the way to the bank, as they rightly should -- lol

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

By gunships I meant an overt, wholesale military, economics and political assistance. Not sure what else can the GHQ do, keeping in mind a complete take over wont be permitted the US, NATO and others and that a complete take over by Talis also mean TTP empowermint.

Afghans can live with the status quo, frankly but at least a whole sale treatment will mean that Pakistan feels the heat.



Well we are, but the Gernals wont allow that incase you have not been following the Burka offensive.

We have to honest about one thing. Afghanistan-Pakistan has a open border, and there is less chance of Taliban getting neutralised unless Pakistan withdraws support which it wont. I dont understand. Pakistan wishes to have a westminister type of government with freedom in its constitution while at the same time wishing Afghanistan to be a Saudi type country.

Whatever security and aid we provide, there are only two ways to Afghanistan to prosper and obtain peace.

1. Pakistan stops supporting Taliban , which has now become next to impossible. It will keep sending terrorists to get killed to gain strategic depth.

2. Afghanis getting their act together, uniting, defeating Taliban, increasing ties with Iran and CAS countries to increase trade. I think Indian training with sensibilities will be better than western ones. Hope we train a whole of soldiers and not officers alone. india needs to set up training camps in Afghanistan to train to level of Indian professionalism and secularism in Armed forces.

 

[Tshering22]

Afghan forigen policy has always been over arching for unrealistic allies with countries it does not have a border with..from Soviet Union to India..same old rotten policy!

And it is this very mindset of Pakistanis that pisses them off.

1- They are an independent nation; not your lackeys.
2- They just want to live happily in their country.
3- They don't want to be the thekedaars of any religion; something your generals always claim to be.

4- Pakistani military needs to learn to be happy within its own land and stop pursuing a fictitious ideological war, thinking they are continuing right from where the wars in Middle East stopped centuries ago. Times have changed and it is high time your commanders realise this.

5- You host their refugees because your country played a major role in ruining Afghanistan. Instead of screwing their country further, help them and us rebuild it for Afghans so that they can go back to their land.

To explain the whole thing to you once again. in a hypothetical scenario where India takes over Pakistan, then in that hypothetical scenario Afghanistan is next in line, based on the precincts of Hindu nationalism which advocate Akhand Bharat (of which both Afghanistan and Pakistan are a part of)

And this mentality is what keeps you fighting an imaginary ideological war which originated centuries ago in the deserts of Middle East. You have successfully brought that war (a regional war of supremacy) into a transcontinental fight.

Congratulations.

While certain sections of Hindu nationalists resent the loss of ancient territories throughout our ancient empires but that doesn't mean that the modern ones want more mouths to feed. Today's Hindu and non-Hindu nationalists both do not want additional people in our territory.

In India today we have 1.3 billion people to take care of. What makes you think we need another 250 million more to feed and deal with?

This sense of insecurity is going to ruin your country.

If not for your sake, at least for your children's sake come out of this mindset and grow up.

Give your kids a future that they can happily live in rather than a void.

Once you have young ones looking at you (and by you I mean your entire current government, politicians, generals and everyone else in administrative positions) to secure their future, it is not your lives anymore. It is your responsibility as adults holding meaningful positions to secure their future.

The kids of today's Pakistan came into existence with the decision made by millions of adults that run Pakistan today whether in government or in private sector.

Don't ruin it for them.

They will curse your generation when they realise how your present lot ruined their futures with imaginary perceptions.

Fair -- but I think India has been very smart -- for a fraction of the cost of ownership of an Air Force Squadron India has been able to create a strategic threat for Pakistan; it is a brilliant maneuver. Absolutely brilliant!!! And absolutely stupid for Pakistan (I mean how many sacrifices and how much cost has Pakistan borne) and utterly idiotic for the Afghans (they gained nothing from their machinations and are hurting themselves for a few kind words -- lol). Further -- it has no lasting consequence for India -- they can immediately choose to pursue good relations with Pakistan.

Afarin Bharat, Afarin -- Shabbash!

There is a saying: By force you cannot take an Afghan to heaven with you but by a few sweet words the Afghan will gladly go to hell for you -- sadly the tragic looser by a large margin, out of the strategic competition between Indian and Pakistan is Afghanistan. The Indians must be laughing all the way to the bank, as they rightly should -- lol

What are you talking about?

Is helping someone get back on their feet a problem?

As per your generals, it is. Because who will ask them if the Afghanistan crisis is solved permanently?

Who will give them attention that they need to justify their power over your home country? The fact that they takeover whenever they want and change constitution as if writing afternoon poetry, without realising its consequences?

And decade after decade, you buy into their ideological insecurities and a war that no Pakistani really wants.

Lol somebody give this guy a basic history lesson. Pashtuns and Hindus were constantly fighting each other, and the Hindu nationalists/BJP/RSS's beloved Marathas were trounced by Ahmed Shah Abdali at Panipat. The only thing that has changed now is the emergence of Pakistan which has brought the Pashtuns in Afghanistan closer to India due to hate of Pakistan. Afghans are extremely and I repeat extremely stupid if they believe Hindu nationalists actually care about them. Hypothetically (although it will never happen) if the Indians take over Pakistan then the next in line will be Afghanistan to create 'Akhand Bharat'

That's a map when all the lands in this map combined didn't have a population of more than a few million people; when resources were ample per person.

With 1.3 billion people in India alone today, you really think we Indians want:

- 190 million Pakistanis
- 31 million Afghans
- 160 million Bangladeshis
- 53 million Burmese
- 30 million Nepalis
- 8.5 lakh Bhutanis
- 4 lakh Maldivians
- 21 million Lankans

Do the math and use your head rather than your religious thinking.

You'll get your own answer.

PS: Make up your mind about the map. Some of your members include Burma in it and go to the extent of Indonesia.

Some keep it to just current Pakistan while some like you show this one.

And stop living in this dreamland.

 

[Kambojaric]

While certain sections of Hindu nationalists resent the loss of ancient territories throughout our ancient empires but that doesn't mean that the modern ones want more mouths to feed. Today's Hindu and non-Hindu nationalists both do not want additional people in our territory.

Certain sections? You mean powerful figures in the ruling party BJP and its ideological head RSS. Stop sugar coating this issue and hiding it under the carpet.

In an interview with Al Jazeera's Head to Head show, Ram Madhav, the national general secretary of India's BJP, said he believes India, Pakistan and Bangladesh will reunite to form "Akhand Bharat" [undivided India].

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...nity-pakistan-bangladesh-151224100753698.html

Senior RSS functionary Indresh Kumar has appealed to the youth in the country to take a vow to unite parts of India separated from it and make the dream of ‘Akhand Bharat’ a reality. ...
This meant, Iraq, Iran (, )Nepal, Afghanistan, Brahmadesh (Myanmar), Sri Lanka, Bhutan and Indonesia, among others, were once parts of Bharat. This great country faced constant attacks from Huns, Kushans, Mughals and British, he said

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...uths-to-make-akhand-bharat-a-reality-2976786/

In 1999, the national government, then led by the Bharatiya Janata Party, put Mr. Batra in charge of rewriting history textbooks to reflect these and other views of the Hindu right.

More troublingly, they instruct students to draw maps of “Akhand Bharat,” a greater India, presumably restored to its rightful boundaries, that include Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Tibet, Nepal, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/09/opinion/false-teachings-for-indias-students.html

This lunatic Batra's post are a "must read" in schools in Gujarat. His other books claim stem cell research, the television and cars were all invented in ancient India.

Page 49 of the book Tejomay Bharat (Shining India) reworks India’s political map to include some of its neighbours. Batra says, “Students, how would you go about drawing a map of India? Do you know that countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nepal, Bhutan, Tibet, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Burma are part of undivided India? These countries are part of Akhand Bharat.” Another lesson in the chapter, Undivided India, reads: “Undivided India is the truth, divided India is a lie. Division of India is unnatural and it can be united again…”

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...d-is-made-must-reading-in-gujarat-schools/99/

The rest of your post in relation to our 'future generations' is just patronising and not worth responding to. If I were you I would be more worried about children in your own country who are being told to believe in (read below)

Mr. Batra also believes that aircraft, automobiles and nuclear weapons existed in ancient India, and he wants children to learn these so-called facts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/09/opinion/false-teachings-for-indias-students.html

That's a map when all the lands in this map combined didn't have a population of more than a few million people; when resources were ample per person.

With 1.3 billion people in India alone today, you really think we Indians want:

- 190 million Pakistanis
- 31 million Afghans
- 160 million Bangladeshis
- 53 million Burmese
- 30 million Nepalis
- 8.5 lakh Bhutanis
- 4 lakh Maldivians
- 21 million Lankans

Do the math and use your head rather than your religious thinking.

You'll get your own answer.

PS: Make up your mind about the map. Some of your members include Burma in it and go to the extent of Indonesia.

Some keep it to just current Pakistan while some like you show this one.

And stop living in this dreamland.

Haha oh dear me "we" dont need to make up our minds about anything when lunatics who are ruling and/or "educating" your country's children believe in it. Once again i'l repeat for your benefit.

Senior RSS functionary Indresh Kumar has appealed to the youth in the country to take a vow to unite parts of India separated from it and make the dream of ‘Akhand Bharat’ a reality. ...
This meant, Iraq, Iran (, )Nepal, Afghanistan, Brahmadesh (Myanmar), Sri Lanka, Bhutan and Indonesia, among others, were once parts of Bharat. This great country faced constant attacks from Huns, Kushans, Mughals and British, he said

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...uths-to-make-akhand-bharat-a-reality-2976786/

Maharishi Bharadwaj’s Vaimanika Shastra prescribes a chemical formula that can make a flying plane invisible; the 100 Kaurava brothers were the first evidence of human cloning; cow urine can cure cancer...

“Children living abroad, particularly in Muslim countries, should be taught about science that exists in Vedas and other literature,” Dr Somdev Bhardwaj of Vijnana Bharati told HT.

These are not abstracts from a fantasy tale but claims of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) leaders who want the government to promote research based on the Vedas and other ancient Indian literature “for the welfare of mankind”.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...dic-science/story-SAbtRlSmECAiGBdhBWeoaO.html

Now dont post bullshi@ like these people are a fringe and dont represent Hindu nationalists. This is Hindu nationalism at its core. Your lovey dovey relationship now with Afghanistan is nothing more than 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend". History says you two were enemies whenever you shared a border. Modi as usual was blatantly lying when he said you had "always" been friends. I merely pointed this fact out which apparently has set Hindu nationalists asses on fire.

@pakistani342 : You are knowledgeable on Afghanistan. Was Ahmed Shah Abdali, the founder of Afghanistan handing out roses when he went down to Delhi?

 

[pakistani342]

What are you talking about?

Is helping someone get back on their feet a problem?

What did the Trojans say: Beware of Modi bearing gifts.

Now the interesting question for me is:
Do you really believe the above? -- Naaah you can't be that stupid?

As per your generals, it is. Because who will ask them if the Afghanistan crisis is solved permanently?

Who will give them attention that they need to justify their power over your home country? The fact that they takeover whenever they want and change constitution as if writing afternoon poetry, without realising its consequences?

And decade after decade, you buy into their ideological insecurities and a war that no Pakistani really wants.

Now on the above -- you're making assumptions -- before you make accusation do spend sometime doing research on what the other person's position it -- but then you might truly believe that you are: "helping someone get back on their feet"

Please forgive I don't suffer fools -- good day ;-)

You are knowledgeable on Afghanistan.

Many thanks for you kind words but I'm merely informed on Afghanistan -- knowledgeable implies scholarship of the subject which in my case is not the case

@pakistani342Was Ahmed Shah Abdali, the founder of Afghanistan handing out roses when he went down to Delhi?

I don't know if this is an Afghan saying but I heard this from Amruallah Saleh I think (@A-Team is it an Afghan saying?):

It is difficult to wake up people who are pretending to be asleep
-- you have to give Afghans credit they have excellent sayings

If Afghans want to wake up from their nightmare -- the first perhaps necessary (but not sufficient step is) that they speak the truth to themselves. [I have challenged many Afghans including our brother @A-Team many times to write our narratives side by side -- but none of them has taken up this offer -- I think deep down the Afghans know what the balance of the books is. Afghans are many things but they are not stupid. I think this is just deliberate cognitive dissonance on their part -- the truth is very dark and scary]

 

[Tshering22]

What did the Trojans say: Beware of Modi bearing gifts.

Now the interesting question for me is:
Do you really believe the above? -- Naaah you can't be that stupid?

You have an apprehension that we will use Afghanistan as a military base to squeeze you from both sides. Fair enough.

Every country has a concern and rightfully so.

So tell me this; do you really think blowing up Afghans, their roads and infrastructure and weakening their country is going to get them on your side?

Think about it.

Afghanistan has seen enough misery for a lifetime. They are tired of it.

And they have been molded by war for an entire generation. you destroying their infrastructure and killing their and our officials is only going to harden their hatred for you even more than now.

And no country remains down forever.

Do you want a situation where they unilaterally strike you one day?

No nukes here. Just real discussion.

Is this how your government plans to win them over? Keep hitting them?

Certain sections? You mean powerful figures in the ruling party BJP and its ideological head RSS. Stop sugar coating this issue and hiding it under the carpet.

You have to stop telling me how my country functions.

I know perfectly well how someone is capable of thinking here.

Yes the people you mentioned do resent it. I fully agree to it. But they also know realpolitik. The ground realities today aren't the way they were in 1858 or before that.

This isn't some minuscule village we are talking about that can be conquered with a few horsemen with twin-barrelled rifles.

It is about adding 400 million people being added to an already 1.3 billion people. Not to mention all the international liabilities of these 400 million people. IMF, WB, AIIB, ADB loans; commitments made to NATO and ISAF; uncontrolled domestic terror modules and protecting total aliens from a problem only they know.... can you even wrap your head around the magnitude of problems that would cause for us?

A foreign religio-cultural setup, followed in a foreign fashion, with its own set of simmering history.

We don't fantasize an imaginary foreign war and don't wish to bring it home.

No thanks.

 

[A-Team]

You have an apprehension that we will use Afghanistan as a military base to squeeze you from both sides. Fair enough.

Every country has a concern and rightfully so.

So tell me this; do you really think blowing up Afghans, their roads and infrastructure and weakening their country is going to get them on your side?

Think about it.

Afghanistan has seen enough misery for a lifetime. They are tired of it.

And they have been molded by war for an entire generation. you destroying their infrastructure and killing their and our officials is only going to harden their hatred for you even more than now.

And no country remains down forever.

.

This is the point that folks in Pakistan are not realizing.

 

[pakistani342]

So tell me this; do you really think blowing up Afghans, their roads and infrastructure and weakening their country is going to get them on your side?

mmmm -- how stupid do you think I am -- clearly you must think a lot?

If hosting 3 million Afghans for 40 years at their greatest time of need -- even when Afghan have been backstabbing Pakistanis since 1947 didn't make Afghans friends -- perhaps nothing will.

Think about it.

I mean seriously -- you think Pakistanis are so stupid that they they need your reminder for this?

How about this:

Think about it?

Afghanistan has seen enough misery for a lifetime. They are tired of it.

Again: before you enlightenment Pakistanis have not thought about this?

Think about it?

And they have been molded by war for an entire generation. you destroying their infrastructure and killing their and our officials is only going to harden their hatred for you even more than now.

Again: refer to 1st point made onward

And: Think about it?

And no country remains down forever.

I'm going to ignore the remainder of your comments: they are a waste of whitespace -- but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are new here and don't know the different people on this forum and perhaps well intentioned but naive and not very smart.

But now as an interesting counter proof:

The US nuked Japan but they are the best of friends/allies today.

The US firebombed dresden but Germany is toothless and best of friends/allies with the US.

Again: Think about it?

Do you want a situation where they unilaterally strike you one day?

No nukes here. Just real discussion.

Is this how your government plans to win them over? Keep hitting them?

Israel/Palestine?
Turkey/Kurds

Also please think about it,

Apply the same calculus to India's relationship with Pakistan -- do you think holding on to Kashmir illegal is going to buy you any friends ... Oh and Pakistanis have nukes and crazy mullahs ... think about it

Also think about how India controls Bhutan's policy ... think about it

Also for how many transit routes has India allows to Pakistan for say Bangladesh, Bhutan, Nepal in the past 70 years -- what is good for the goose must be good for the gander ... think about it

Further a life long RSS member -- one who is responsible for the rape and murder of Muslim women and children has some heartfelt tender feeling for Afghanistan (remember, the land of Ghauri, et. al) ... think about it

I think the people in South block are able practitioners of realpolitik -- a lot better than their counterparts in nestled at the foot of Margala.

Think about it ...

Again: Be ware of Mode bearing gifts

And: look -- clearly we have different world views -- let's stay out of each other way.

This is the point that folks in Pakistan are not realizing.

My dear as I mentioned to the other gentlemen -- ever heard what the US did to Japan (Nagasaki / Heroshima) -- who is amongst the closest allies of the US?

Have you considered the firebombing of Dresden -- who is one of the closest allies of the US (Germany)

Have you studied how Germany was unified by Bismarck: blood and iron -- check it out

During the US civil war -- you know that the Union troops (the North) burned Atlanta to the ground -- read about it -- which country do you think Atlanta is in the United States of America or is it in the Confederacy? Are boys and girls from Atlanta any less Americans than the boys and girls from New York: the answer is no.

My dear brother @A-Team (and I call you my brother not casually) -- perhaps it is Afghans who are not realizing this.

Perhaps Afghans are also not realizing that the common Pakistani person welcomed Afghans for 40 years despite the death and destruction, the gun culture the drugs that came with them. The hostilely only started after educated Afghans like yourself started burning Pakistani flags.

I want to say: Think about it -- but I'm confident you already are think and haven been thinking -- and I'm also confident you will reach the same conclusions many Pakistanis have ;-)

 

[Tshering22]

mmmm -- how stupid do you think I am -- clearly you must think a lot?

If hosting 3 million Afghans for 40 years at their greatest time of need -- even when Afghan have been backstabbing Pakistanis since 1947 didn't make Afghans friends -- perhaps nothing will.




I mean seriously -- you think Pakistanis are so stupid that they they need your reminder for this?

How about this:

Think about it?



Again: before you enlightenment Pakistanis have not thought about this?

Think about it?



Again: refer to 1st point made onward

And: Think about it?



I'm going to ignore the remainder of your comments: they are a waste of whitespace -- but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are new here and don't know the different people on this forum and perhaps well intentioned but naive and not very smart.

But now as an interesting counter proof:

The US nuked Japan but they are the best of friends/allies today.

The US firebombed dresden but Germany is toothless and best of friends/allies with the US.

Again: Think about it?



Israel/Palestine?
Turkey/Kurds

Also please think about it,

Apply the same calculus to India's relationship with Pakistan -- do you think holding on to Kashmir illegal is going to buy you any friends ... Oh and Pakistanis have nukes and crazy mullahs ... think about it

Also think about how India controls Bhutan's policy ... think about it

Also for how many transit routes has India allows to Pakistan for say Bangladesh, Bhutan, Nepal in the past 70 years -- what is good for the goose must be good for the gander ... think about it

Further a life long RSS member -- one who is responsible for the rape and murder of Muslim women and children has some heartfelt tender feeling for Afghanistan (remember, the land of Ghauri, et. al) ... think about it

I think the people in South block are able practitioners of realpolitik -- a lot better than their counterparts in nestled at the foot of Margala.

Think about it ...

Again: Be ware of Mode bearing gifts

And: look -- clearly we have different world views -- let's stay out of each other way.





My dear as I mentioned to the other gentlemen -- ever heard what the US did to Japan (Nagasaki / Heroshima) -- who is amongst the closest allies of the US?

Have you considered the firebombing of Dresden -- who is one of the closest allies of the US (Germany)

Have you studied how Germany was unified by Bismarck: blood and iron -- check it out

During the US civil war -- you know that the Union troops (the North) burned Atlanta to the ground -- read about it -- which country do you think Atlanta is in the United States of America or is it in the Confederacy? Are boys and girls from Atlanta any less Americans than the boys and girls from New York: the answer is no.

My dear brother @A-Team (and I call you my brother not casually) -- perhaps it is Afghans who are not realizing this.

Perhaps Afghans are also not realizing that the common Pakistani person welcomed Afghans for 40 years despite the death and destruction, the gun culture the drugs that came with them. The hostilely only started after educated Afghans like yourself started burning Pakistani flags.

I want to say: Think about it -- but I'm confident you already are think and haven been thinking -- and I'm also confident you will reach the same conclusions many Pakistanis have ;-)

Whatever man.

You have stuck to your ideology and so far it has brought nothing but notoriety, unhappiness and pain to your country.

It doesn't harm to change tactics especially when these tactics are clearly not working.

I know you won't listen to reason but then that is your problem.

This is the point that folks in Pakistan are not realizing.

They don't listen to us, they don't listen to you but in their mind keep an imaginary war that doesn't exist, very much alive.

However, other countries cannot work in paranoia.

So I think Afghanistan has to take serious measures which your government is.

The attack on Kabul's AU varsity was despicable and cowardly. It showed nothing but the fact that paranoia can make people do some pretty sick things; like killing kids or unarmed civilians for that matter.

 

[I.R.A]

Afghans should show their gratitude to Indians may be they can

• Kidnap Indian children and ask for ransom
• Send suicide bombers as a token of appreciation
• Burn Indian flags and chant anti India slogans
• Rob Indians of their belongings like cars etc

Did I miss something Afghanis are famous for? At least this is what they did to Pakistanis for hosting their ungrateful generations for more than three decades.

 

[Rasengan]

This is the point that folks in Pakistan are not realizing.

To be honest with you Brother A-Team most Pakistani's don't give a flying hoot about an Afghan's opinions. Please take your crocodile tears to your Indian friends. We should close the border and mine the entire boundary and when the time is right Afghanistan will pay for questioning the existence of Pakistan.

 

[pakdefender]

Modi "inaugurated" the "palace" over video phone

Do Afgans have no shame left in them ? they are willing to suck up to to this level

Standing in front of Hindustan with head down over a video link ? Is it that bad to make real peace with Pakistan that Afghanistan will suck on Hindustan to this level!!?

It's a sad insight into the mind of the Afghan elite and of India too

India's support must become more overt, especially in the security sector. Good deliverables can be gunships.
The Gernals won't make peace unless the proxies are defeated on the battlefield.

Looks like support over video link is what you are gonna get

 

[Kaniska]

This is the worst way and innocent on weaker side pay the highest price due to this.Ordinary citizens will face more troubles.


Precisely its not the love for Indians its the hate for Pakistan that speaks.

Sometimes..i also feel so..It is basically their frustration and anguish needs one form or view point to be expressed...And what a better way to Irritate Pakistan by saying that Afgans love India...It is just the same game that Pakistan is playing in Kashmir and India is just using the same trick with Pakisatn via Afganistan...The only difference is that unlike Pakistan, we will not engage directly with sending militants rather will be seen as some one who stands for improving life of Afgan people...