Indian perspective: Iran backstabs India

[masterchief_mirza]

I do enjoy these comments.

I try to eviscerate my most carnal emotions and leave them on display for public consumption in every post. Glad you appreciate it.

 

[Baba_Yaga]

I totally understand Iran's decision. $400 billion is a lot and they need the money with all the current sanctions and all. We can't offer even 1/100th of that. Ignore the loud mouthed Indian journalists calling it a betrayal or whatever, that's just capitalist free media and they need flashy headlines to generate TRPs and ad revenue. India chose US over Iran, Iran chose China over India. 100% fair. Good luck.

I have met some Indians who boasted of being "Aryan" ... one of the most cringeworthy talks I've ever been part of lol. No wonder why many South Indians often say they're looked down by those from the North.

I've met far more Pakistanis claiming to be Turkic/Arab/Perisian than I have met Indians claiming to be Aryan. That's a far higher level of cringe.

 

[Nilgiri]

Ignore the loud mouthed Indian journalists calling it a betrayal or whatever, that's just capitalist free media and they need flashy headlines to generate TRPs and ad revenue.

Yah in any case the rail link seem to be at most a MOU, so Iran didn't even "drop" India by their own account...given it was not really a sealed deal or anything like that:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al...ct-citing-funding-delays-200715063259623.html

 

[Baba_Yaga]

India is divorced by Iran, Afghanistan, Nepal, Myanmar, Bhutan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Pakistan never liked her the first place and never slept with her. China tried but India used to conspire against him - and got bitc*h slapped. Countries who tried to keep her as a wife say "India stinks" and this lady has "mental problems".

Nepal and Bhutan are basically Indian satellite states. Nepal wanted to join India after independence but for some funny reason was refused. It's simply an extension of India and the current dispute is no different that that joke of a dispute between GCC and Qatar. Sooner or later, relations will go back to normal. If that involves getting rid of the current commie Nepali PM, so be it, we'll get rid of him. Nepali Gurkhas have served in the Indian army ever since independence, i think that says a lot as to where the people of Nepal stand. As for Bhutan, I have no idea what you are talking about. Relations are absolutely great, Indian army is responsible for Bhutan's protection as per a treaty which remains unchanged.

Sri Lanka and Myanmar remain neutral as they always have. In fact, Sri Lanka's enormous debt payment to China has brought it closer to India. Same for Bangladesh, it is neutral.

Afghanistan is almost lost, yes if Taliban takes over and Iran also after this 400b investment, you are right about that.

But overall, if anyone is divorced, it's Pakistan, US and the west left her, thus Pakistan will mostly be a no go for all European and American companies, and the 400 billion investment in Iran converts her into a disposable mistress. Pakistan does not have oil, nor does she produce any meaningful products. Her status in the new block is simply as a transit point between Iran and China to facilitate Chinese products to Iran and Central Asia and Iranian oil to China and as en end user of Chinese products.

 

[hualushui]

I think you are being very unfair to @BlueInGreen2, Dalit.

He basically said what I said but you are not reacting to me like him. xD

I think the Saudis and Arabs from the Persian Gulf region have some economic leverage over Pakistan because they have employed millions of your residents. Also, Saudi Arabia funded your nuclear program. I think Pakistanis in general favor Saudis to Iran for historical and religious reasons.

If you ask my opinion, I think idealistically Iran, Pakistan, China and Turkey should be strong allies to reshape the region. However, that's simplistic and far from the realities on the ground.


I am talking about things that have been done, not things that will be done.

I have been following politics since I was 13 or 14. I thought many things would happen that none of them happened and some things happened in the exactly opposite way. xD Once there is an Iran-Pakistan-China pipeline, you can rest assured that Iran and Pakistan will expand their ties in all areas.

Overall, Iran is more pro-Western than pro-China.
Iranian upper class prefers to buy European goods. When Iranian businessmen trade with China, the bids are very low, and they can only buy inferior goods, resulting in a low evaluation of Chinese goods.
Despite being sanctioned by the United States, many people in Iran still dream of reconciling with the United States.
I have heard such a news, I do not know if it is a rumor. Chinese ZTE companies do business with Iran. When the United States and Iran reached an agreement in 2016, Iran sold ZTE and provided evidence to the United States that Iran and ZTE did business, and eventually ZTE was sanctioned.

Nepal wanted to join India after independence

in your dream

 

[Pakistan First]

Aah, the price India is paying for (i) electing the baboon Modi; and (ii) joining US camp.

I'm lovin it.

Nepal and Bhutan are basically Indian satellite states. Nepal wanted to join India after independence but for some funny reason was refused. It's simply an extension of India and the current dispute is no different that that joke of a dispute between GCC and Qatar. Sooner or later, relations will go back to normal. If that involves getting rid of the current commie Nepali PM, so be it, we'll get rid of him. Nepali Gurkhas have served in the Indian army ever since independence, i think that says a lot as to where the people of Nepal stand. As for Bhutan, I have no idea what you are talking about. Relations are absolutely great, Indian army is responsible for Bhutan's protection as per a treaty which remains unchanged.

Sri Lanka and Myanmar remain neutral as they always have. In fact, Sri Lanka's enormous debt payment to China has brought it closer to India. Same for Bangladesh, it is neutral.

Afghanistan is almost lost, yes if Taliban takes over and Iran also after this 400b investment, you are right about that.

Infact, if anyone is divorced, it's Pakistan, US and the west left her, thus Pakistan will mostly be a no go for all European and American companies, and the 400 billion investment in Iran converts her into a disposable mistress. Pakistan does not have oil, nor does she produce any meaningful products. Her status in the new block is simply as a transit point between Iran and China to facilitate Chinese products to Iran and Iranian oil to China and as en end user of Chinese products.

Nepal, the so-called satellite state of India, has spilled Indian blood in a border clash last month. It is not just the PM, but the Nepali security forces also, which have taken an anti-indian stand lately and that stand is not just vocal, but has involved gun-fire and killing of Indian(s).

Same applies for Bhutan.

We all know how neutral Sri Lanka is. LOL.

The fact of the matter is that India under Modi has now become truly ISOLATED in the region. Swallow it.

 

[Baba_Yaga]

Aah, the price India is paying for (i) electing the baboon Modi; and (ii) joining US camp.

I'm lovin it.



Nepal, the so-called satellite state of India, has spilled Indian blood in a border clash last month. It is not just the PM, but the Nepali security forces also, which have taken an anti-indian stand lately and that stand is not just vocal, but has involved gun-fire and killing of Indian(s).

Same applies for Bhutan.

We all know how neutral Sri Lanka is. LOL.

The fact of the matter is that India under Modi has now become truly ISOLATED in the region. Swallow it.

How much Pakistani blood has been spilled by TTP pathans and Balochis? Just yesterday 8 pak soldiers were killed in Balochistan, 4 soldiers killed 3 days before that and another 4 killed a week before that. So are Balochistan and KP not states of Pakistan?

Nepali police is under the control of the current communist PM, so they have no choice but to obey his orders and fire on pro india protesters. That doesn't change the fact that Indians and Nepalis are basically the same people and tens of thousands of Nepali Gurkhas serve in the Indian army. Once we get rid of the current PM, all will go back to normal. The dispute is no more serious than the current dispute between Saudi and Qatar, who again are basically the same people.

Talking of Sri Lanka, the Church bombings left a huge impact and SriLankans want nothing to do with Pakistan or terrorism. Most SriLankans today see Islamic terror as a far far bigger threat than Tamil Terrorism. Moreover, they are having big issues trying to pay Chinese debt and that has shifted them closer to India.

I don't know what you are ranting about Bhutan, any proof Bhutan has moved closer to China, or was it a wet dream?

 

[Pakistan First]

How much Pakistani blood has been spilled by TTP pathans and Balochis? Just yesterday 8 pak soldiers were killed in Balochistan, 4 soldiers killed 3 days before that and another 4 killed a week before that. So are Balochistan and KP not states of Pakistan?

Remnants of TTP and BLA/BLF indian-financed and backed terrorists are being wiped out successfully, which the world also acknowledged. The same cannot be said about the multiple armed insurgencies going on within India including in it's north-east.

Balochistan and KP, like Assam are integral part of their respective countries. What is being discussed here is independent neighbouring countries like Nepal and Bhutan. Just like Afghanistan is an independent sovereign country, Nepal and Bhutan are also.

India's dream of Akhand Bharat has been flushed down the toilet (which India has few). Accept it. Swallow it.

India must not worry about a two-front war. It'll be a four-front war.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Quite interesting, Indians are willing and are lobbying on behalf of Iran Chabhar port as long as it’s corners Pakistan.

More Interesting “As per this Walid guy’s Iranian links ” Iranian are Ready and accepting of Indian of lobbying, for temporary gain, despite known that Indian only interest in Iran is To corner Pakistan.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Notice how the Indian commentators are basically blaming the US for not understanding how important India Iran relations are.

What these Indian crooks forget is that they already picked a side when they were appeasing the Americans as an anti-China force within the region. LOL at we want to remain neutral.

The Indians are under the illusion that the US deal came without any consequences. When you become a partner of the US you are bound by their rules. India is now finding out the hard way that American friendship comes at a great cost.

May China, Pakistan and Iran relationship prosper. Let these faggots burn in anger.

America kept the Chabahar project out of their sanction list just because they also wanted to nullify Afghanistan dependence on Pakistani supply routes.

 

[QWECXZ]

Overall, Iran is more pro-Western than pro-China.
Iranian upper class prefers to buy European goods. When Iranian businessmen trade with China, the bids are very low, and they can only buy inferior goods, resulting in a low evaluation of Chinese goods.
Despite being sanctioned by the United States, many people in Iran still dream of reconciling with the United States.
I have heard such a news, I do not know if it is a rumor. Chinese ZTE companies do business with Iran. When the United States and Iran reached an agreement in 2016, Iran sold ZTE and provided evidence to the United States that Iran and ZTE did business, and eventually ZTE was sanctioned.

in your dream

I believe your story because the Rouhani administration was against Iran-China relations from the first moment it took the office. The Rouhani administration is a pro-West administration that will leave the office in August 2021. But I can't say that Iran overall is more pro-Western than pro-China. To be quite honest with you, we are cautious about both of you guys equally and we don't see any of you as our permanent friends. Iranians view Europeans very negatively, particularly after the JCPOA. China is still considered less of a threat to our interests than the Europeans or the Americans.

As for the Iranian upper class, that's the same everywhere. If someone can afford an iPhone, they won't go buy a Huawei which cannot compete with it. If someone can afford German, Japanese or Korean cars, they won't buy a Chinese car. It has nothing to do with Iranians only. You have to accept that your products in many areas cannot compete with the quality of Western products yet. If you'll go to any review website from any country in the world, you will see that iPhone has more positive reviews than Huawei or BMW/Toyota/Porsche/etc. have much better reviews than the best cars you can produce now.

Many countries have standards that are enforced by law. If your companies accept to produce substandard products, the low evaluation of Chinese goods is the fault of your companies that are willing to sacrifice their reputation and produce substandard products.

Saudis wanted us in Yemen. What happened? They wanted a Muslim Army, led by our General, excluding your country. Check the General's response. KSA though can be a very useful partner with all the $$ they have, it's just that we only cooperate when it aligns with our interests.

You cannot switch China with India. They are not the same thing. The West creates this China v. India narrative to make Indians feel they can take on China. If China does not deliver, you can go to India, but you don't get the same thing (quality, size, money, duration).

As far as I remember, your general did accept their invitation. Although your parliament later decided to stay away from the Saudi coalition.

We need China for its veto power in the UNSC. It previously failed to block 4 rounds of UNSC resolutions against us. If they fail to veto resolutions against us again, we will reduce our ties with them like what happened in the last 8 years. We do not need China for construction projects. When we were forced to kick them out of Tehran Metro, South Pars and Tehran-North Expressway projects after their long delays, we finally finished all the three projects on our own without foreign assistance. Projects like these are offered to China, India or any other country that is willing to cooperate with us for creating mutual economic interests and attracting foreign investment. If we feel that China or India is using sanctions as an excuse not to deliver their promises, then they will be kicked out like before.

 

[hualushui]

You have to accept that your products in many areas cannot compete with the quality of Western products yet

Ridiculous. You spent 100 dollars on Italian shoes and 20 dollars on Chinese shoes. But you want the two to be the same in quality.
That's very absurd. If you want better quality Chinese shoes, you need to spend $100 instead of $20.
****

 

[QWECXZ]

Ridiculous. You spent 100 dollars on Italian shoes and 20 dollars on Chinese shoes. But you want the two to be the same in quality.
That's very absurd. If you want better quality Chinese shoes, you need to spend $100 instead of $20.
****

Let's talk about clothes because you brought it up. Turkish clothes are usually like 10%-20% more expensive than Chinese clothes but their quality is much better than the Chinese ones. Hence, most people in Iran prefer to buy Turkish made clothes. China has cheap labor force. If your products can't compete in terms of price and quality, that's your problem. And Turkey isn't a Western country.

 

[El Sidd]

The Rouhani administration is a pro-West administration that will leave the office in August 2021.

Not before signing hundreds of MoU's with Pakistan.

Then it can go. We won't even blame you for backstabbing afterwards.

 

[QWECXZ]

Not before signing hundreds of MoU's with Pakistan.

Then it can go. We won't even blame you for backstabbing afterwards.

You should ask him that. He's definitely stupid enough to do that. And you're stupid too if you haven't asked this fool for that already.