Indian Navy Pushes For More Technological Self-Reliance

[ganimi kawa]

And this is why I love Indian Navy!

The Indian navy on Jan. 5 declared its commitment to helping the nation become self-reliant in critical defense technologies. Link Courtesy Mr.Krishnan from Tarmak



Rear Adm. D.M. Sudan, assistant chief of the naval staff for air, says homegrown products enhance India’s strategic flexibility. The navy is widely perceived as the only wing of the Indian armed forces that backs indigenous defense research and development (R&D), as compared to the army and air force.


“Imports will have to be arrested and we will have to reduce our dependency on foreign suppliers and manufacturers,” Sudan told a select group of scientists and technologists in Bengaluru. “Today, the navy is operating many ships that are designed and developed [by] Indian industries. We are completely committed to the Defense Research and Development Organization [DRDO] and are closely watching various projects that [are] undergoing trials.”



Given the growing expectations of the Indian armed forces, Sudan says there should be a better dialogue between national R&D organizations and the Indian navy. “We certainly need to communicate better, and we are keen to know the strengths of Indian R&D firms,” he says. “The private sector must be encouraged and roped in more for speedy production. Nonavailability of critical technology is a matter of great concern, and hence we are now entering into [joint ventures] with key players.”



He says the only way India can reduce its imports of foreign military technology is if DRDO’s work can be passed more quickly through industries to the Indian armed forces. “Modernization should go hand in hand with indigenization,” he declares. “The Indian navy is also closely watching developments with laser-guided bombs that are developed by DRDO.”

These Navy dudes are really comitted towards having a "builder's navy"!


Indian Army really needs to start taking some notes

( IAF seems to have started doing just that!).



What do you think guys, would it be feasible for the IA and IAF to completely follow the navy way or operational requirements force them to make adjustments?

 

[PRACTICAL PATRIOT]

And this is why I love Indian Navy!



These Navy dudes are really comitted towards having a "builder's navy"!


Indian Army really needs to start taking some notes

( IAF seems to have started doing just that!).



What do you think guys, would it be feasible for the IA and IAF to completely follow the navy way or operational requirements force them to make adjustments?

support for indegenisation is the prime reason why i love IN.

and our army really needs to set aside it ego and mentality that foreign weapons are better than local.

as for IAF i m happy the way things are going on. because combat aircrafts are really a cutting edge technology and we didnt had any experience in that, so its better to go slow but steady on air force indeginisation. we have designed LCA and have plans for MCA and there are various joint programs and TOT going on which will help INDIA mature its local sector. so i would be happy if we achieve indeginisation of iAf in coming 20 years.

 

[KS]

Why it is easy to achieve indigenisation in Ships and why it is difficult in aircrafts is the 'miniaturisation' problem.

We can very well make AESA radars to fit on a ship, but making them to fit the small cone area of the fighter is the challenge.

Even now The engines we use for our ships are foreign made. Most of the weapons are foreign made. The FCS too is foreign made I guess.

Its just that we build the hull, integrate the systems and produce the electronic equipment. Which we have been doing on the fighters too.

Only if we are able to make the engines,weapons then I can say the ships are truly indigenous.

 

[misterme2]

Like I said before, the Indian Navy is the only wing I truly respect!

 

[KS]

Like I said before, the Indian Navy is the only wing I truly respect!

I dont agree with this.

Yes they maybe the only ones who are pushing more and more for indigenous processes. But that is not reason enough not to respect the other two.

Every single soldier wearing the uniform, putting his life on the line for the defense of the Tricolor is worthy of respect.

One reason why the Navy is like this is because it had the luxury of not having to play any significant part in the defence prepared-ness on India in the past two decades because none of the navies in this region is even remotely close to the Indian Navy in its reach and capabilities.

Contrast this with the Army and Airforce who always had to be on their toes due to the presence of the Chinese in the East and the Pakistanis in the West. So the preferred option was to go for off-the-shelf items to reduce the time and not wait upon the indigenous weapons. But as time proceeds a change in approach will come and it is in-evitable.

The Airforce has already started as we speak and the Army is not far.

 

[ganimi kawa]

One reason why the Navy is like this is because it had the luxury of not having to play any significant part in the defence prepared-ness on India in the past two decades because none of the navies in this region is even remotely close to the Indian Navy in its reach and capabilities.

Contrast this with the Army and Airforce who always had to be on their toes due to the presence of the Chinese in the East and the Pakistanis in the West. So the preferred option was to go for off-the-shelf items to reduce the time and not wait upon the indigenous weapons. But as time proceeds a change in approach will come and it is in-evitable.

That was exactly the point I'd hoped this debate would expand on!

What do you think guys, would it be feasible for the IA and IAF to completely follow the navy way or operational requirements force them to make adjustments?

 

[tallboy123]

Indian navy is cool..
They have more Indian products and even technologically ahead..
IA and IAF should crawl under under the legs of Indian Navy....

Fire those IA and IAF Chiefs

 

[KS]

What do you think guys, would it be feasible for the IA and IAF to completely follow the navy way or operational requirements force them to make adjustments?

I would go with the "operational requirements and its impact on the defence preparedness of the country".

Each force has its own threat perception and each one has a unique role in the defence preparedness of India.

So I would suggest go according to the requirements, balancing the immediate requirements with a steady support to the development of the indigenous weapons.

IA and IAF should crawl under under the legs of Indian Navy....

Fire those IA and IAF Chiefs

 

[misterme2]

I dont agree with this.

Yes they maybe the only ones who are pushing more and more for indigenous processes. But that is not reason enough not to respect the other two.

Every single soldier wearing the uniform, putting his life on the line for the defense of the Tricolor is worthy of respect.

One reason why the Navy is like this is because it had the luxury of not having to play any significant part in the defence prepared-ness on India in the past two decades because none of the navies in this region is even remotely close to the Indian Navy in its reach and capabilities.

Contrast this with the Army and Airforce who always had to be on their toes due to the presence of the Chinese in the East and the Pakistanis in the West. So the preferred option was to go for off-the-shelf items to reduce the time and not wait upon the indigenous weapons. But as time proceeds a change in approach will come and it is in-evitable.

The Airforce has already started as we speak and the Army is not far.

Thank s for insight. I understand the reasons for the Navy's success. At the same time, I think its high time for the Army to improve its basic requirements. I mean everything from uniforms, gear, shoes, gloves, guns, googles, sunglasses, etc. These are minimum but essential basics.

 

[misterme2]

I would go with the "operational requirements and its impact on the defence preparedness of the country".

Each force has its own threat perception and each one has a unique role in the defence preparedness of India.

So I would suggest go according to the requirements, balancing the immediate requirements with a steady support to the development of the indigenous weapons.

Tallboy has a point about firing the Ex-IA general, General Kapoor. I called him a crook long before the Wikileaks and the Advarshi scam highlighted that fact. He should be shot. letting folks like him go with a slap in the wrist will merely aid in corruption and stop it!

 

[GareebNawaz]

Navy is the most professional and most capable yet potent branch of the Armed Forces of India.


P.S. I changed my username from Troller to Hardcore gamer!

 

[KS]

Thank s for insight. I understand the reasons for the Navy's success. At the same time, I think its high time for the Army to improve its basic requirements. I mean everything from uniforms, gear, shoes, gloves, guns, googles, sunglasses, etc. These are minimum but essential basics.

True. The problem here is either the Army high command doesnt accpet, or if it accpets, the MoD doesnt and even if they both agree the MoF shoots it down.

All three should be in sync.

Tallboy has a point about firing the Ex-IA general, General Kapoor. I called him a crook long before the Wikileaks and the Advarshi scam highlighted that fact. He should be shot. letting folks like him go with a slap in the wrist will merely aid in corruption and stop it!

He said about firing the present chiefs. Not the ex.

And one black sheep should not be used to form opinion about the whole army.

 

[tariqkhan18]

I believe the Indian Navy is 3 times ahead of the other two services in self-reliance.

 

[KS]

Navy is the most professional and most capable yet potent branch of the Armed Forces of India.

P.S. I changed my username from Troller to Hardcore gamer!

Not by a least margin.

All the Services are professional to the core. There is really no comparison possible between the three as each operate by their own doctrines,threat perceptions and each has its own effect on the defence preparedess of India as a whole.

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

i think the years of hard work put in by naval staff is beginning to yield results. there is a reason why navy has "forward thinking" among all three services.

1. Navy had established its own design cell many years back. the officers/men from this cell have actually helped indegenous ship builders in design/production. they have shared their problems and experiences with them. hence indian ship builders have been able to support them much better. on the contrary air force doesnt any cell which deals with design of aircrafts. wat we have in air force is DASR (dte of air staff requrirements) which projects requirement of airforce. after that airforce personnel are not really closely connected to designing/production as compared to navy.

2. Navy being a maritime force has had much cooperation from other advance countries as compared to other IA/IAF. it has had close relations with USSR france and UK. IN has been able to use this experiences in enhancing their capabilities. the same cannot be said for IAF. its only recently (post 2000) that IAF started training with western forces and started learning from their experiences.