Indian Navy all set to raise a new MiG 29K squadron on the Eastern Front!

[greatone]

how good are our mig if we comapared it with pakistani f-16 blik 52

Can't compare twin engine aircraft with single engine

 

[sachin@india]

Can't compare twin engine aircraft with single engine

i'm talking about the capabilities not the components.

 

[sancho]

Well after second sqd, there will still be some aircrafts left so is there any plan to put few of them in Andaman and Nicobar islands?

Doubtful, since coastal air defence and maritime attack from shore bases is still under IAF and they cover A&N with the MKI squads that will be raised now in the south and south east.

how good are our mig if we comapared it with pakistani f-16 blik 52

Both modern 4th generation fighters, with comparable capabilities.

 

[kaykay]

Doubtful, since coastal air defence and maritime attack from shore bases is still under IAF and they cover A&N with the MKI squads that will be raised now in the south and south east.



Both modern 4th generation fighters, with comparable capabilities.

Makes sense since MKIs have huge radar and great range.

how good are our mig if we comapared it with pakistani f-16 blik 52

Both are quite comparable if you ask me.

 

[Abingdonboy]

how good are our mig if we comapared it with pakistani f-16 blik 52

About even, MiG-29K probably ahead in a number of areas (EW suite, range/endurance, etc).

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Makes sense since MKIs have huge radar and great range.

But that is not the reason why the MKIs are in that role. It has to do with the the fact that presently it is the IAF that is tasked with Defence of Aerospace over India, while the IN's Air-Wing is only tasked with Fleet Defence.
But will it always remain so?
Going forward Budgetary Constraints will affect the IAF even more so, they will have to concentrate much more on the 'traditional' Air Defence Areas.
That is when the IN may even get the Air Defence of the Naval Bases on 'their plate'.

Other-wise, this raising of facilities at more than one IN Air-Base is part of a pattern. Every operational IN Air Sqdn. has a MOB ashore where the MRO facilities are located. These are co-located with the Base of the Carrier that operates them.
Apart from that, the IN Air-Bases also operate as 'diversionary bases' for embarked aircraft in exigencies. This has always been the case, right from the time the old INS Vikrant was commissioned. So in those days, Bombay, Goa, Cochin, Madras and Calcutta were designated diversionary airfields.

 

[sachin@india]

About even, MiG-29K probably ahead in a number of areas (EW suite, range/endurance, etc).

how about BVRAAM ?

 

[Sankpal]

Thanks for the info but i have 1 question.

Where do the Sea Harriers go when the Viraat is at port?

Very simple in musium ...

They r too old ...

 

[Etilla]

Very simple in musium ...

They r too old ...

Our Sea Harriers are better than Pakistan's Mirage 3 and 5.

 

[sancho]

But will it always remain so?
Going forward Budgetary Constraints will affect the IAF even more so, they will have to concentrate much more on the 'traditional' Air Defence Areas.
That is when the IN may even get the Air Defence of the Naval Bases on 'their plate'.

Actually the opposite is the case, IAF is currently even spending big times to raise new air bases and fighter squadrons in the south and southeast to increase the air and coastal defence roles. MKIs at Kalaikunda, the new air base at Thanjavur also with MKIs, LCA MK1s and Sulur, even the upgrades of the Mig 29s with anti ship missiles increases their capabilities in this area. So hoping on budget constraints won't get IN the job, instead the navy should convince MoD that the navy pilots will be trained in maritime attack roles anyway and therefor could take it over from shore bases too. Getting the maritime attack role is the key for the navy, to operate shore bases for the coastal air defence too, while IAF could focus more on the bigger threats at the land borders to the east and west.

So Are we not going to base any fighters in A&N Island???

No, the air strips will only be upgrade to operate fighters or anykind of IAF aircrafts if needed, but fighters will not be based there permanently.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Actually the opposite is the case, IAF is currently even spending big times to raise new air bases and fighter squadrons in the south and southeast to increase the air and coastal defence roles. MKIs at Kalaikunda, the new air base at Thanjavur also with MKIs, LCA MK1s and Sulur, even the upgrades of the Mig 29s with anti ship missiles increases their capabilities in this area. So hoping on budget constraints won't get IN the job, instead the navy should convince MoD that the navy pilots will be trained in maritime attack roles anyway and therefor could take it over from shore bases too. Getting the maritime attack role is the key for the navy, to operate shore bases for the coastal air defence too, while IAF could focus more on the bigger threats at the land borders to the east and west.

Not really..... the budgetary pressures on the IAF have begun and can only get deeper, when the MMRCA program 'kicks in' with Gen.5 following behind. What is planned for will necessarily take a hit some place. So where will that be?

Even the move to allot and eventually shift the Attack Helos to the IA (eventually) has a connection with that apart from the belated recognition of the MoD of the necessary changes that must be incorporated to 'war-fighting' doctrines in current times.
The same scenario will unfold w.r.t. use and application of IN's Air Assets. Changes (including the anticipated ones) exist outside of (and beyond) news reports.

IN's growth curve is changing. One indicator of that is changes in budgetary allocations, from 12% of the Defence Budget to 18% (presently). Next step....22%, then 25%. All that will tie into changes in the PLAAN's presence profile in IOR.
Keep watching the Strategic scene in India as it evolves further.

 

[sancho]

Not really..... the budgetary pressures on the IAF have begun and can only get deeper, when the MMRCA program 'kicks in' with Gen.5 following behind. What is planned for will necessarily take a hit some place. So where will that be?

Based on the assumption that they won't get increased budgets in future, according to their increased importance and wider footprint? But that's not very realisti is it? IAFs is the most important force for the Indian defence and if they widen their area of action (even within India), their budgets will increase too, most likely even with the next budget, since growth should be back on track by then and hopefully the inflation problem too. And if I recall the figures correctly, it was only IN's budget that was cut in the first defence budget of the new MoD compared to the interim budget proposal.

Even the move to allot and eventually shift the Attack Helos to the IA (eventually) has a connection with that apart from the belated recognition of the MoD of the necessary changes that must be incorporated to 'war-fighting' doctrines in current times.
The same scenario will unfold w.r.t. use and application of IN's Air Assets. Changes (including the anticipated ones) exist outside of (and beyond) news reports.

That's exactly why I say IN must push the maritime attack role, as one that is most efficiently be carried out along with INs assets, then it would be the same case as for the attack helicopters. Only then, IN will get more importance by operating from their shore bases too, but the air defence role as such, will always remain under IAF unless there is a real change of defence policy. The problem as mentioned is, that we are not talking about a dedicated maritime attack fighter squadron anymore, that could be diverted to IN, but that IAF is dramatically increasing it's capabilities by placing more and more multi role fighter squads to the coastal areas and MoD surely will not divert major parts of IAFs fighters to IN.

IN's growth curve is changing. One indicator of that is changes in budgetary allocations, from 12% of the Defence Budget to 18% (presently). Next step....22%, then 25%. All that will tie into changes in the PLAAN's presence profile in IOR.
Keep watching the Strategic scene in India as it evolves further.

But that has nothing to do with coastal air defence! IN is growing, because Indias need to project power is growing. Therefor that assets of IN (carriers, SSNs, SSBNs...) surely will get more support from MoD, while coastal air defence still has no relation to IN and with IAF making it's own push, it will be hard to convince MoD to even involve IN into it as sad as it is.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Based on the assumption that they won't get increased budgets in future, according to their increased importance and wider footprint? But that's not very realisti is it? IAFs is the most important force for the Indian defence and if they widen their area of action (even within India), their budgets will increase too, most likely even with the next budget, since growth should be back on track by then and hopefully the inflation problem too. And if I recall the figures correctly, it was only IN's budget that was cut in the first defence budget of the new MoD compared to the interim budget proposal.



That's exactly why I say IN must push the maritime attack role, as one that is most efficiently be carried out along with INs assets, then it would be the same case as for the attack helicopters. Only then, IN will get more importance by operating from their shore bases too, but the air defence role as such, will always remain under IAF unless there is a real change of defence policy. The problem as mentioned is, that we are not talking about a dedicated maritime attack fighter squadron anymore, that could be diverted to IN, but that IAF is dramatically increasing it's capabilities by placing more and more multi role fighter squads to the coastal areas and MoD surely will not divert major parts of IAFs fighters to IN.



But that has nothing to do with coastal air defence! IN is growing, because Indias need to project power is growing. Therefor that assets of IN (carriers, SSNs, SSBNs...) surely will get more support from MoD, while coastal air defence still has no relation to IN and with IAF making it's own push, it will be hard to convince MoD to even involve IN into it as sad as it is.

As I explained earlier; I am not speaking on the basis of Newspaper reports.........
And you just need to keep watching the unfolding and evolving Strategic scene in India, with all its ramifications on Policy Doctrines.

 

[sancho]

As I explained earlier; I am not speaking on the basis of Newspaper reports.........
And you just need to keep watching the unfolding and evolving Strategic scene in India, with all its ramifications on Policy Doctrines.

But with a bias for the navy and that makes you mix up things here. The strategic growth of IN has nothing to do with the importance of the forces and whenever there is a cut necessary in the defence budget (or even just a modification like it was done now), the IN will always be the first to be hit, which shows where the importance lies.
However, none of that will get IN any closer to use it's fighters in any shore based roles, since budget is not the issue.

 

[Abingdonboy]

@sancho @Capt.Popeye right now the IN's air wing is too small to be used for carrier operations, shore based training and coastal protection. When it has 15+ fighter SQDs (by the middle of the next decade) it will start taking over such roles from the IAF for protecting India's coastline with the IAF protecting India's skies above land and looking towards China and Pakistan. By then the IN's airbases will be ideally placed to undertake such duties given their inherent proximity to the coast and the relevant training imparted to the IN's naval aviators.


As for budgets I don't see any finical crunch coming the IAF's way- they have already stated they will be spending $150BN USD by 2025 on their modernisation. The IAF to date already enjoys the largest capital expenditure budget of all three forces. I do believe that the IN's budget will be increased over time but this will come at the cost of the IA's budgetary share and not the IAF's as the IA's current allocation is more than 50% of the entire defence budget. Anyway with the Indian economy set to see a new period of high growth funds for all three forces will be (in real terms) more than they have ever received before.