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Even as the media gives its undivided attention to the turf war between VK Sasikala and O Panneerselvam in Tamil Nadu, a far bigger story is unravelling in Mumbai — something that can have massive ramifications for rule of law and democracy.

A division bench of the Bombay High Court is hearing an appeal filed by self-styled godwoman Sadhvi Pragya Thakur, accused in the Malegaon blast case of 2008, challenging a sessions court order that had rejected her bail.

The NIA, which is probing the case, has shockingly told the court that it has no objection if the court grants bail to the terror accused.

This in a way corroborates with what Rohini Salian (who was a special public prosecutor in the case) exposed not only in the public domain, but also in an affidavit before the Supreme Court that she was asked to "go soft on 2008 Malegaon blast accused".

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Pragya Thakur has been photographed with several senior leaders of the BJP, including Madhya Pradesh chief minister Shivraj Chauhan and Rajnath Singh.
She went on record to state that ever since the central government changed in 2014, there has been a "clear shift" in the stand against these terror accused who have been openly defended by the BJP and RSS leaders.

Sample this: The current Union home minister, and perhaps the most powerful man in the government after Prime Minister Narendra Modi, said this while he was the BJP chief — “I personally believe that there is a huge conspiracy behind these happenings (the Malegaon investigations) and do not forget that Maharashtra has a Congress-NCP coalition government and this could be part of the conspiracy. This possibility cannot be ruled out”. Rajnath Singh said that in an interview to former editor-in-chief, The Indian Express, Shekhar Gupta.

On Pragya Thakur, a former ABVP national executive member, Singh gave a virtual clean chit saying, “I’m not ready to believe that Sadhvi Pragya Thakur is a terrorist until there is enough evidence against her."

Incidentally, Thakur has been photographed with several senior leaders of the BJP, including Madhya Pradesh chief minister Shivraj Chauhan and Rajnath Singh himself.

Imagine if a Muslim leader made such a statement in favour of an Indian Mujahideen or an ISIS terror accused? What would the media say?

And this despite the fact that several cases against Muslims for their alleged involvement in terrorist activities have been "dismissed" by the courts after 10-15 years. The Akshardham terror case of 2002, wherein all six convicts were acquitted by the Supreme Court after nearly 12 years, is one of the examples.

Rajnath Singh's "conspiracy theory" line on the right-wing terror accused was parroted by almost all BJP leaders. This despite the fact that it was top cop Hemant Karkare (who died fighting terrorists during the 26/11 Mumbai attacks), who headed the Maharashtra ATS that had unearthed the link between right-wing groups and the Malegaon blasts. Any attempt by the BJP to raise such conspiracy theories are a direct assault on the integrity and commitment of Karkare.

Besides, former home secretary and current BJP MP RK Singh had also come on record to state: "Yes, during investigations we have found names of at least 10 persons who have been associated with the RSS at some point or the other."

The question is simple — If right-wing terror (which I do not and will not label as Hindu or saffron terror) is a work of political conspiracy, as Rajnath Singh suggested, then why did the BJP make RK Singh an MP? He has not retracted that conclusion and stands by it. Clearly, he was a part of the said "conspiracy" too.

Now, the NIA reports to the MHA headed by Rajnath Singh, whose view on terror accused such as Pragya Thakur, is evidently sympathetic. Can the NIA be expected to conduct its investigations and prosecutions independently?

To make the NIA even more pliable in a rare move, the Modi government gave a second extension of one year to IPS officer Sharad Kumar by re-employing him as director general of NIA for a period of one year.

In effect, he has been hired on a contract, which is unprecedented. Is there a shortage of capable IPS officers who can head the NIA?

Going by the brief perhaps, Sharad Kumar in mid-2016 declared the decision of the NIA not to charge Pragya Thakur was justified as "there was insufficient evidence against her".

He added: "The only material evidence against her was the motorcycle (registered in her name) on which the bomb was kept." This stand is baffling and a complete U-turn from the earlier stand of investigating agencies in the case.

How can agencies reach two different conclusions on the basis of the same evidence merely because a government changes?

Just imagine if this is the stand of the NIA in Thakur's case what precedent it will set.

Let's assume a scenario — a boat registered in Pakistan is used for a terror attack in India. Will the NIA consider the boat (registered in the name of someone in Pakistan) to be insufficient evidence to link Pakistan with the attack?

In addition, stringent MCOCA charges were also dropped so that the various confessional statements recorded by the Maharashtra ATS could be discarded as evidence by the NIA.

In many cases such as the Ajmer Dargah blast case, which was allegedly planned by RSS activist Aseemanand (as per his confession before a magistrate in 2010, something that cannot be assumed to be under pressure or coercion), dozens of crucial witnesses began turning hostile since the change in government at the Centre in 2014.

This in turn would weaken the prosecution's case against the entire network of right-wing terror involving Sangh parivar activists — be it the Mecca Masjid blast, the Samjhauta Express blast or the Malegaon case.

The NIA chief once again justified witnesses turning hostile by saying that he has "no control over the memory of witnesses" which had "weakened over time".

Aseemanand, is the same person who has been photographed with Narendra Modi, when he was the chief minister of Gujarat. Imagine if a Muslim terror suspect was photographed with a leader of the Congress party — what would the media say? Would the media not demand that the leader be investigated?

In June 2016, coming down heavily on the NIA for not investigating the role of Pragya Thakur properly in the 2008 Malegaon blasts case a special court threw out the NIA chief's contentions and observed there were reasonable grounds to believe that the charges against her were prima facie true and went on to reject her bail plea.

Drilling holes in the NIA "clean chit" the court added that at this prima facie stage "the fact of the ownership of the motorcycle cannot be ignored nor could the evidence of Thakur’s “complicity” with accused Kalsangra in executing the blast".

Notwithstanding that the NIA brazenly gave yet another clean chit to Sadhvi Pragya, an accused in the Sunil Joshi murder case.

Sunil Joshi, yet another RSS functionary, was a suspect on the run and was murdered in Dewas. He was believed to be a key link in all these right-wing terror cases. Hence, the matter was given to the NIA in 2011.

Three years later, the government changes and the NIA files a chargesheet before the court that there was no such conspiracy and eventually enabled Thakur to get an acquittal in this case just a few days ago.

Despite what the special NIA court said in June 2016 and also earlier orders rejecting bail to Thakur, the NIA has said in response to an plea filed by the terror accused before the Bombay High Court that it has no objection to granting bail to her.

This means that the NIA, India's premier investigating agency to combat terror, is okay with an accused (that the special NIA court believes to be prima facie involved in a terror attack) walking free.

What is even worse is the fact ṭhat the Bombay High Court in January this year granted bail to three accused in Pune's Moshin Shaikh murder case justifying that the men affiliated with the right-wing Hindu Rashtra Sena were provoked and committed the murder in the name of religion.

This sums up how the entire system seems to be pitted against justice when the victims are Muslims and the perpetrators of terror are those affiliated with Sangh Parivar (I still refuse to label any terrorist as a Hindu or saffron terrorist just like I reject the term Islamic terror) but the moot question here is: will the courts, investigating agencies go out of their way to defend, justify and rescue terror accused?

If this is repeated in Thakur's case, there is no doubt in my mind that the faith of the common man, and particularly the victims of Malegaon blast, in the entire system and in rule of law will be completely shaken.

It is for India to decide which road it wants to take. One where we distinguish between good terrorists (like Thakur and Mohammad Akhlaq's killers, who are given bail or honoured by a Union minister placing the tricolour on them ) and bad terrorists just like Pakistan once did to its own detriment? Or we want to be a country which truly believes that terror has no religion and political affiliation?

I am hoping that the Bombay High Court will follow in the footsteps of the US courts who have shown in standing up against president Donald Trump's ban.

Thakur's bail plea is not an ordinary appeal — it is an most important battle for the Indian democracy against religious fanaticism.

The verdict will decide if we want to remain (Mahatma) Gandhi's India or descend into becoming (Nathuram ) Godse's variant of Pakistan.


http://www.dailyo.in/voices/pragya-thakur-right-wing-terror-bjp/story/1/15571.html
 
Sehzaad Poonawala? Really? Ever since his little brother married into wadra family these both jokers are jumping on every issue they can get hold off.

What happened to Innocent until proven guilty? Is it reserved only for Muslims in India? Heck Yakoob was innocent for these "Indian" Muslims long after Highest court of the country hanged him.
 
"The only material evidence against her was the motorcycle (registered in her name) on which the bomb was kept. "

The same bike she had sold off Four years BEFORE the blast to a Garag owner called "Ramji" :cheesy:


By that same logic, the vehicle used for mumbai blast was registered to Yakub Memon's WIFE. So why is his wife not in Jail for being involved in the Bomb blast ?

Why such double standards for a hindu women and a muslim women ?
 
Sehzaad Poonawala? Really? Ever since his little brother married into wadra family these both jokers are jumping on every issue they can get hold off.

What happened to Innocent until proven guilty? Is it reserved only for Muslims in India? Heck Yakoob was innocent for these "Indian" Muslims long after Highest court of the country hanged him.
LOL says those Bhakts who jump their guns over Ishrat Jahan(Not convicted), recent undertrials who were "encountered" in MP and term as dreaded terrorists..
 
The law should be equally applicable to all. Sadhvi's case has at least made some extreme nationalists feel the extremities of the terror laws like POTA, MCOCA etc. Acts of terror need special laws and provisions to tackle. Let the law takes its course and if the government feels something is unfair somewhere, it should amend the law and not bypass the law on selective basis. That will be a travesty of justice.

Sehzaad Poonawala? Really? Ever since his little brother married into wadra family these both jokers are jumping on every issue they can get hold off.

What happened to Innocent until proven guilty? Is it reserved only for Muslims in India? Heck Yakoob was innocent for these "Indian" Muslims long after Highest court of the country hanged him.
Marriage is a personal matter and should not be a factor when discussing on the subject. Author has written an emotional article but that does not let up the crux of the matter.
I agree that until proven one should not be held guilty but if we have made a law that allows custodial confessions to act as evidence and trivia like owning up a vehicle that was involved in bomb blast etc then this law must be applied in all such cases.
As regards to Yakoob Memon, unfortunately our nation has quite a lot of emotional people (I am refraining from calling them fools) who cause and represent the social divide. I am sure a lot of people will be upset if a "hindu" terrorist is brought to justice in the same way when a "muslim" terrrorist was hanged, his huneral was attended by so many people. But my question is would you like to be equated with the same people who attend the funeral of Yakoob Memon and Burhan Wani? I only wish to say that let the law take its course. Afzal Guru was hanged and Prof Gilani was acquitted for lack of evidence. The investigator does not decide if the accused is guilty or not, its for the court to decide.
 
LOL says those Bhakts who jump their guns over Ishrat Jahan(Not convicted), recent undertrials who were "encountered" in MP and term as dreaded terrorists..

Well, Jihadi Jahan was a LeT operative and she needed to be killed. Can't be too careful when it comes to combating terrorism under the guise of Minority appeasement. Maybe Modi took a leaf out of Congress's book on they got rid of Abdul Latif.

The law should be equally applicable to all. Sadhvi's case has at least made some extreme nationalists feel the extremities of the terror laws like POTA, MCOCA etc. Acts of terror need special laws and provisions to tackle. Let the law takes its course and if the government feels something is unfair somewhere, it should amend the law and not bypass the law on selective basis. That will be a travesty of justice.


Marriage is a personal matter and should not be a factor when discussing on the subject. Author has written an emotional article but that does not let up the crux of the matter.
I agree that until proven one should not be held guilty but if we have made a law that allows custodial confessions to act as evidence and trivia like owning up a vehicle that was involved in bomb blast etc then this law must be applied in all such cases.
As regards to Yakoob Memon, unfortunately our nation has quite a lot of emotional people (I am refraining from calling them fools) who cause and represent the social divide. I am sure a lot of people will be upset if a "hindu" terrorist is brought to justice in the same way when a "muslim" terrrorist was hanged, his huneral was attended by so many people. But my question is would you like to be equated with the same people who attend the funeral of Yakoob Memon and Burhan Wani? I only wish to say that let the law take its course. Afzal Guru was hanged and Prof Gilani was acquitted for lack of evidence. The investigator does not decide if the accused is guilty or not, its for the court to decide.

Yes marriage is a personal matter, but some people do know how to milk a relationship. here is what happened at one of the congress meeting.

"You people cannot become our leaders only because you are someone's relatives. What's your contribution to the party?"

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w-Congressmen-revolt/articleshow/52317897.cms
 
What's up with the undertone of blackmail over what is essentially a court matter?

Its a similar concept to a Sacrificial goat for Bakri eid.

They want hindu blood as the price of keeping peace and granting us the favour of allowing us to be democratic.

The law should be equally applicable to all. Sadhvi's case has at least made some extreme nationalists feel the extremities of the terror laws like POTA, MCOCA etc. Acts of terror need special laws and provisions to tackle. Let the law takes its course and if the government feels something is unfair somewhere, it should amend the law and not bypass the law on selective basis. That will be a travesty of justice.

In India there is No justice nor is there any rule of Law. The whole judiciary is a Joke and this includes the Supreme court.

Let me give you one Example. Here is a report from the HINDU about the ongoing Aircel-Maxis SCAM involving P Chindambaran going on in the SUPREME COURT.

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BJP leader Subramanian Swamy on Friday got two weeks from the Supreme Court to place “concrete” material before it to prima facie prove that former Finance Minister P. Chidambaram deliberately granted FIPB clearance to the Aircel-Maxis deal in 2006 without placing it before the Cabinet Committee for Economic Affairs (CCEat A) for vetting.

Arguing in person before a Bench led by Chief Justice of India J.S. Khehar, Dr. Swamy contended that the FIPB approval of any foreign investment worth over Rs. 600 crore should first be vetted by the CCEA.

The total transactions in the Aircel-Maxis deal, Dr. Swamy contended, was about Rs. 3,500 crore or $800 million dollars.

“Was he [the former Finance Minister] aware of the fact that the deal was over Rs. 600 crore and he had to send it to the CCEA?” Chief Justice Khehar asked.

(This is the equivalent of the Supreme court asking if the Murderer was Aware that Murder was a Crime :cheesy: )

“He was the Finance Minister. There is a presentation of the proposal before the FIPB. He needs to know,” Dr. Swamy responded.

“That he is supposed to have known is quite another thing... What material do you have to show that he knew? What is the material you have placed before us to prove his knowledge?” Chief Justice Khehar asked.

(The CHIEF JUSTICE of INDIA demanding to know "What proof do we have that the Murderer knew that killing somebody was a crime" :azn: )........... this is the FARCE of Judiciary in India


“Fact of the matter is no minister can claim he did not know... The matter is before the CBI, they have examined and had filed sealed cover reports before this court in 2015. The CBI should now tell this court what progress has been made,” Dr. Swamy submitted.

“You have to give us concrete material that he was privy... We will issue notice to the smallest, biggest, the highest person... but you have to prove your allegation with records first. Show us material,” said Chief Justice Khehar.

The court offered Dr. Swamy some time to bring the material. The latter agreed to provide the court with the material in two weeks.

Recently, the 2G Special Court discharged all the accused, including the Maran brothers, in the case.

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So you see in India if you are Rich and Powerful, IGNORANCE of the LAW is a ready excuse which even the "Honourable" Supreme Court will support.

For the rest of us its still "Ignorantia juris non excusat" or "ignorance of the law excuses not" :(
 
Its a similar concept to a Sacrificial goat for Bakri eid.

They want hindu blood as the price of keeping peace and granting us the favour of allowing us to be democratic.



In India there is No justice nor is there any rule of Law. The whole judiciary is a Joke and this includes the Supreme court.

Let me give you one Example. Here is a report from the HINDU about the ongoing Aircel-Maxis SCAM involving P Chindambaran going on in the SUPREME COURT.

thehindu/news/national/Aircel-Maxis-deal-nod-Swamy-to-prove-in-2-weeks-Chidambarams-role/article17282736

BJP leader Subramanian Swamy on Friday got two weeks from the Supreme Court to place “concrete” material before it to prima facie prove that former Finance Minister P. Chidambaram deliberately granted FIPB clearance to the Aircel-Maxis deal in 2006 without placing it before the Cabinet Committee for Economic Affairs (CCEat A) for vetting.

Arguing in person before a Bench led by Chief Justice of India J.S. Khehar, Dr. Swamy contended that the FIPB approval of any foreign investment worth over Rs. 600 crore should first be vetted by the CCEA.

The total transactions in the Aircel-Maxis deal, Dr. Swamy contended, was about Rs. 3,500 crore or $800 million dollars.

“Was he [the former Finance Minister] aware of the fact that the deal was over Rs. 600 crore and he had to send it to the CCEA?” Chief Justice Khehar asked.

(This is the equivalent of the Supreme court asking if the Murderer was Aware that Murder was a Crime :cheesy: )

“He was the Finance Minister. There is a presentation of the proposal before the FIPB. He needs to know,” Dr. Swamy responded.

“That he is supposed to have known is quite another thing... What material do you have to show that he knew? What is the material you have placed before us to prove his knowledge?” Chief Justice Khehar asked.

(The CHIEF JUSTICE of INDIA demanding to know "What proof do we have that the Murderer knew that killing somebody was a crime" :azn: )........... this is the FARCE of Judiciary in India


“Fact of the matter is no minister can claim he did not know... The matter is before the CBI, they have examined and had filed sealed cover reports before this court in 2015. The CBI should now tell this court what progress has been made,” Dr. Swamy submitted.

“You have to give us concrete material that he was privy... We will issue notice to the smallest, biggest, the highest person... but you have to prove your allegation with records first. Show us material,” said Chief Justice Khehar.

The court offered Dr. Swamy some time to bring the material. The latter agreed to provide the court with the material in two weeks.

Recently, the 2G Special Court discharged all the accused, including the Maran brothers, in the case.

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So you see in India if you are Rich and Powerful, IGNORANCE of the LAW is a ready excuse which even the "Honourable" Supreme Court will support.

For the rest of us its still "Ignorantia juris non excusat" or "ignorance of the law excuses not" :(
I dont know about this case but I think the court is right in asking if Chidambaram was aware of that rule because the ministers are responsible for their decisions and policies and the compliance falls under the purview of bureaucracy. It is the duty of the secretary to inform the minister if any rule is being flouted by his decision. If despite his awareness of a prevalent rule a minister bypasses it then he will be held accountable. In this case this is precisely the judge wants to know if Mr. Chidambaram knew that he was flouting the rule or not.
 
I dont know about this case but I think the court is right in asking if Chidambaram was aware of that rule because the ministers are responsible for their decisions and policies and the compliance falls under the purview of bureaucracy. It is the duty of the secretary to inform the minister if any rule is being flouted by his decision. If despite his awareness of a prevalent rule a minister bypasses it then he will be held accountable. In this case this is precisely the judge wants to know if Mr. Chidambaram knew that he was flouting the rule or not.

So if Chidambaram was NOT aware of the rules then that makes him "innocent" ?

By the same logic if I was not aware that Rape is a crime, I am free to rape and that makes me "innocent" ?

I hope you and the Supreme Court give me the same benefit of doubt you offer Chidambaram.


How about "rules" of Sexual misconduct ? If I was "unaware" of the rules then when I molest a female colleague or make a sexist remark, it makes me "innocent" ? Will that women have to PROVE that I was aware of the "rules" ?

How about producing two witness while we are at it ?


It is the duty of the minister to be aware of the rules before taking any decision. Or are you abdicating any minister from personal responsibility ?

BTW there is a requirement by LAW to present the investment for Cabinet approval. Its not a "rule".


So what the Chief Justice was really asking is that Chidambaram who is one of the top Supreme court lawyers in the country , IF he was aware of the "law" :lol:


Unless we invent a way to read Minds there is no way we can know for sure if anybody "knew" anything. They can always plead ignorance. That is why we go by what they DID and not their "intentions" or what was in their "mind".

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So if Chidambaram was NOT aware of the rules then that makes him "innocent" ?

By the same logic if I was not aware that Rape is a crime, I am free to rape and that makes me "innocent" ?

I hope you and the Supreme Court give me the same benefit of doubt you offer Chidambaram.


How about "rules" of Sexual misconduct ? If I was "unaware" of the rules then when I molest a female colleague or make a sexist remark, it makes me "innocent" ? Will that women have to PROVE that I was aware of the "rules" ?

How about producing two witness while we are at it ?


It is the duty of the minister to be aware of the rules before taking any decision. Or are you abdicating any minister from personal responsibility ?

BTW there is a requirement by LAW to present the investment for Cabinet approval. Its not a "rule".


So what the Chief Justice was really asking is that Chidambaram who is one of the top Supreme court lawyers in the country was aware of the "law" :lol:


Unless we invent a way to read Minds there is no way we can know for sure if anybody "knew" anything. They can always plead ignorance. That is why we go by what they DID and not their "intentions" or what was in their "mind".

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Please read what I have written. In my opinion prima facie the Finance Secretary should be held responsible unless he proves that he was directed by the minister to flout the law. If he can prove it then the minister should be held responsible. I think the court is still in the process of fixing the responsibility whether to proceed against Chidambaram or not. And the plaintiff seems to be interested more in Chidambaram than the case itself. Also please try to understand the difference between a cognizable and a non cognizable offence and know some basics of law if you want to debate on legal issues in a public forum. For me it ends here.
 
Please read what I have written. In my opinion prima facie the Finance Secretary should be held responsible unless he proves that he was directed by the minister to flout the law. If he can prove it then the minister should be held responsible. I think the court is still in the process of fixing the responsibility whether to proceed against Chidambaram or not. And the plaintiff seems to be interested more in Chidambaram than the case itself. Also please try to understand the difference between a cognizable and a non cognisable offence and know some basics of law if you want to debate on legal issues in a public forum. For me it ends here.

LOL.... why should the Finance secretary be held responsible ? Why is he not allowed to be ignorant of the rules ? :lol:

There is no law that says that only a certain section of people are supposed to know the law and rules, while others can plead ignorance.

The law and rules are supposed to be same for everyone and everyone is expected to be aware of it. Especially when in position of power and responsibility.

In any case the person who signs the files is the Minister. What is the point of signing the files if there is no personal responsibility attached to that signature ? :cheesy: Might as well get his pet dog to put his pawn print on. The dog cannot be held responsible either.


Finally what the hell has Cognisable offence and Non cognisable offence got anything to do with this debate ? If the defence is "Ignorance of the Law" then how does it matter what kind of offence it is ? :cheesy:


You are the one claiming superior knowledge of the law and yet running away from the debate. Feel free to demolish my argument with your superior knowledge on this very public forum.
 
if there is no proof, then nothing can be done...

The proof that Chidambaram allowed the Aircel Maxis deal without submitting in to the Cabinet is already submitted to the Supreme court. With P Chidambarams signature on it.

The Chief justice wants to know if the ex Supreme court Lawyer P Chidambaram was aware of the "rule" of submitting the proposal before cabinet and getting their approval, before signing the order and indulging in corruption :lol:

The defence is "Ignorance of the law". ........ challenging the very fundamental of Indian judicial law.
 
Well, Jihadi Jahan was a LeT operative and she needed to be killed. Can't be too careful when it comes to combating terrorism under the guise of Minority appeasement. Maybe Modi took a leaf out of Congress's book on they got rid of Abdul Latif.
So which court convicted "Jihadi" Jahan or those under trials killed in "encounter" by MP Police? This fatso Sadhvi b!tch got away too easily. Classic case of TUM KARO TOH CHAMATKAR, HUM KARE TOH BALAADKAR...:devil:
 

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