Indian Muslims want 'Ground Zero Mosque' relocated

[Areesh]

OK guys I support Asim for that poem. Their wasn't anything derogatory in that poem and we don't need make a fuss out of nothing. No need to make hoo haa for nothing.

 

[gubbi]

sir, u have too many misconception about india. indian muslims are living under the guns. if you have any doubts,visit india and see for urself.

Its not the issue of Indian Muslims here. Mk rightly pointed out the hypocrisy in applying that poem in question to Indian Muslims.

The Pakistani poet who coined those verses was probably asking people to introspect. However, our respected Admin here, took that out of context and applied it to all the Indian Muslims. That is what fired up MK and rightfully so, I may add.

MK is also right in saying that Muslims have paid a heavy price in terms of assimilating to the Indian mainstream. However, as you rightly pointed out, recent events have turned the tide and many Indians of other faiths dont see Indian Muslims as outsiders, but as their own. Indian Muslims earned that through a baptism by fire, a process which was very wrong.

 

[LaBong]

Not your choice how they spend their money. If they wish worship without having to drive out of the city, and if they are willing to pay for it, that's their right as guaranteed in the Constitution.

I think nobody objected the legal right to build a mosque there. What's wrong/silly/offensive is to link the mosque with Ground Zero, both to WTC victims and Muslim community in general. I'm not sure who did this, right wing loonies or Muslims themselves.

 

[Awesome]

Asim,

Why would you write and post something sickening and morally repugnant as this poem.

Indian muslims are courageous people---they are honorable people---they pay the price of every wrong that pakistan does---they pay the price of every hindu girl raped in pakistan a hundred times over---they pay the price of every hindu killed in pakistan a hundred times over---.

For every terrorist act, these muslims lose their lives, property, their dignity, the lives of their children.

YOU ARE THE ADMINIOSTRATOR OF THIS BOARD----BUT HOW DARE YOU SAY SOMETHING DEROGATORY AGAINST THE INDIAN MUSLISM IN SUCH AN OPEN AND CASUAL MANNER---.

HAVE YOU NO SHAME LEFT IN YOU---NOBODY HAS THE COURAGE AND STAND UP AND SAY TO YOU SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU ASIM---HAS YOU INTEGIRTY TAKEN SUCH A LOW THAT YOU HAD TO TALK DOWN TO THE INDIAN MUSLIMS---.

LOOK YOUR FACE IN THE MIRROR ASIM---AND LOOK AT WHAT REFLECTS BACK AT YOU.

YOU ARE A DISGUSTING MAN---AND AN EQUALLY DISGUSTING HUMAN BEING AT THAT.

AND SHAME ON YOU THINK TANK MEMBER---.

You seem half serious here... But capital letter theatrics and your personal comments (avoiding taking any administrative action, owing to perhaps some temporary insanity given the reputation you enjoy) aside, hold off the personal comments.

Anyway, if you're this unfamiliar with Pakistani literature perhaps I can educate you that this narration by the infamous Habib Jalib is supposed to invoke some introspection and is not meant as ridicule.

The Indian Muslims do pay for Pakistan's sins, and I do agree with that. Thats why they have to go above and beyond the call of patriotism and sell out on their ideals to appease their tyrant masters. Two wrongs do not make a right.

And I'm not a Think Tank member, but an administrator, you'd do well to remember that. My respect for your age and experience is definitely finite.

 

[LaBong]

I really feel Indian Muslims are unfortunate lot! In one case, they have to prove their patriotism to other Indians, on another their Islamiat to their brothers from 'Ummah'!

 

[Awesome]

I never knew such a poem existed---I never thought that someone in pakistan would stoop so low to write something derogatory about their brothers in another country who are living under the threat of the gun.

That explains it... You'd love to know he goes on to say "Das karore yeh Gadhay".

 

[Beskar]

Asim,

Why would you write and post something sickening and morally repugnant as this poem.

Indian muslims are courageous people---they are honorable people---they pay the price of every wrong that pakistan does---they pay the price of every hindu girl raped in pakistan a hundred times over---they pay the price of every hindu killed in pakistan a hundred times over---.

For every terrorist act, these muslims lose their lives, property, their dignity, the lives of their children.

YOU ARE THE ADMINIOSTRATOR OF THIS BOARD----BUT HOW DARE YOU SAY SOMETHING DEROGATORY AGAINST THE INDIAN MUSLISM IN SUCH AN OPEN AND CASUAL MANNER---.

HAVE YOU NO SHAME LEFT IN YOU---NOBODY HAS THE COURAGE AND STAND UP AND SAY TO YOU SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU ASIM---HAS YOU INTEGIRTY TAKEN SUCH A LOW THAT YOU HAD TO TALK DOWN TO THE INDIAN MUSLIMS---.

LOOK YOUR FACE IN THE MIRROR ASIM---AND LOOK AT WHAT REFLECTS BACK AT YOU.

YOU ARE A DISGUSTING MAN---AND AN EQUALLY DISGUSTING HUMAN BEING AT THAT.

AND SHAME ON YOU THINK TANK MEMBER---.

I've always had a great deal of respect for your posts, MastanKhan. Never thought you'd start a rant against a member just for nothing. Getting personal is never the answer. Good to know that you have such a sensitive heart for the Indian Muslims but degrading yourself in the process of defending them says a lot more about you than anyone else over here.

Give Habib Jalib's work a read, its a part of our literature. Asim isn't the one who wrote those words, maybe you're barking up the wrong tree?

 

[Spring Onion]

I dont know if demand by NRI (Non-Resident Indians) Muslims in US can make any affect. If the US-Indo weapons' deals are affected by these Indian American Muslims or not BUT the support of some Jewish groups for the Ground Zero Community Center surely is something noticeable.


Jewish Activists' groups support Ground Zero Mosque

A group of Jewish activists and community leaders support a planned mosque near the ground zero site of the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks, and said opponents, including America's leading Jewish civil rights group, are perpetuating misunderstandings about Islam.

Rabbi Arthur Waskow, of the Philadelphia-based Shalom Center, joined about 30 other religious leaders and Jewish activists Thursday (August 5, 2010) at the spot where the Cordoba Initiative hopes to build an Islamic center that will include a mosque, an athletic center, a culinary school and art studios. Waskow says the mosque will help people learn more about Islam.

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[idune]

I think to begin with news/thread title was misleading. Because this unknown little organization does not represnt Indian Muslims in US by any means. Besides, prominent Muslims ( or so they claim) Farid Zakaria (whom I dislike ) stood for this lower Manhattan mosque.
This little so call ed "indian Muslims" group is nothing but lining up for money and benefit from zion empire there.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

yes it is blatant intolerance; nothing else

 

[GentlemanObserver]

Indian Muslims want 'Ground Zero Mosque' relocated

The Washington-based Association of Indian Muslims of America asked the Cordoba Institute and other promoters of the Islamic Center termed as the 'Ground Zero Mosque' to relocate it in the interest of the larger good of the community.

A statement issued by Kaleem Kawaja, a leader of the association noted that the initiative of a set of New York City Muslims to build the center, a couple of blocks from the site of the Twin Towers has generated a super-heated controversy and much tension in US. In this tense situation a national debate is raging across America. It is very laudable that the New York City government headed by Mayor Mike Bloomberg, the US government headed by President Barrack Obama, and a large segment of US intellectuals and community leaders have defended the religious freedom right of America's Muslims to build their places of worship anywhere in US, it noted.

However, it is time for the American Muslims to take the initiative and make a serious effort to resolve this unseemly controversy and diffuse this very divisive tension. With a view to respect the sentiments of many Americans, New York City Muslims should voluntarily relocate this Islamic Center, to a new location in lower Manhattan that is further away from Ground Zero.

In taking this initiative on their own they will earn much goodwill of the entire American nation, will resolve the current tense relationship between Muslim Americans and other Americans, and will build a very durable bridge of understanding between Muslims and others in America.

On behalf of about two hundred thousand American-Muslims with origin in India, we appeal to relocate it, the statement said.

LOL

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

proper security should also be put in place to defend the site from any untoward incidents

 

[GentlemanObserver]

proper security should also be put in place to defend the site from any untoward incidents

I totally agree Sir. It has happened before, and what is worse is that certain very respectable members seem more then eager to defend the plight of Muslims across the border but have little of substance to say for what is going on elsewhere.

I understand i am fresh here, but i have been stalking these forums. One thing is for certain, there are more Islam "apologisers" than they are defenders here that is for sure.

 

[desiman]

A Pakistani Poet's few words that fit perfectly upon what Indian Muslims have become...

Yeh jo das karore hain
Jahl ka nichor hain
Inki fikr so gai
Har ummeed ki kiran
Zulmaton main kho gai

Yeh khabar darust hai
Inki maut hogai
Be-shaoor log hain
Zindagi ka rog hain
Aur teray (their tyrant rulers) paas hai
Unke dard ki dawa

Tu hai mere subhe nau
Tere baad raat hai
Bolte jo chand hain
Sab yeh sharh pasand hain
Inki khench de zabaan
Inka ghoont de gala

Jin ko tha zabaan pe naaz
Chup hain woh zabaan daraaz
Chain hai samaaj main
Be-misaal fark hai
Kal main aur aaj main
Apne kharch par hain kaid
Log teray raaj main

I take huge offense to this, I really expected more from you Asim. Being an Indian muslims myself, I take great offense this this very derogatory reference to my identity. Hypocrisy has been the name of the game for Pakistan since 1947, the so called guardians of Islam have labelled other muslims as being of " Lower " class many times and even then they call out for the well being of other muslims in some other country, what a joke. I am totally disgusted by this post, havent you guys done enough to harm Islam's image already ?

 

[desiman]

Asim,

Why would you write and post something sickening and morally repugnant as this poem.

Indian muslims are courageous people---they are honorable people---they pay the price of every wrong that pakistan does---they pay the price of every hindu girl raped in pakistan a hundred times over---they pay the price of every hindu killed in pakistan a hundred times over---.

For every terrorist act, these muslims lose their lives, property, their dignity, the lives of their children.

YOU ARE THE ADMINIOSTRATOR OF THIS BOARD----BUT HOW DARE YOU SAY SOMETHING DEROGATORY AGAINST THE INDIAN MUSLISM IN SUCH AN OPEN AND CASUAL MANNER---.

HAVE YOU NO SHAME LEFT IN YOU---NOBODY HAS THE COURAGE AND STAND UP AND SAY TO YOU SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU ASIM---HAS YOU INTEGIRTY TAKEN SUCH A LOW THAT YOU HAD TO TALK DOWN TO THE INDIAN MUSLIMS---.

LOOK YOUR FACE IN THE MIRROR ASIM---AND LOOK AT WHAT REFLECTS BACK AT YOU.

YOU ARE A DISGUSTING MAN---AND AN EQUALLY DISGUSTING HUMAN BEING AT THAT.

AND SHAME ON YOU THINK TANK MEMBER---.

Thank you for standing up for us Sir, wish there were more people like you in the world. thank you