Indian Muslims stance of India Israel cooperation

[SQ8]

But how can the Muslims of India demand a separate country for themselves when they do not form a clear cut majority in any province in India?

They can demand whatever, that isn’t the concern. Creating havoc inside India is.. they did/do it with the Urdu speaking population, with the Baloch and Hazara and with sectarian divide. I say do whatever underhanded dirty criminal thing we need to under the surface and act all sanctimonious outside because that is the enemy we face; do what they do to us.

Lol Pakistaniyon ko Indians ka bara dard hay. Yahan jo mar rahe hay uss pe chup hay. Delusion of the highest order. Sara dunya ka theka liya hai.

Nothing to do with pain.. like I tell people that Kashmir isnt about Kashmiris, its about water security and the higher ground.

 

[Divergent]

In the end religion aside it’s about humanity.

 

[Ocean]

They can demand whatever, that isn’t the concern. Creating havoc inside India is.. they did/do it with the Urdu speaking population, with the Baloch and Hazara and with sectarian divide. I say do whatever underhanded dirty criminal thing we need to under the surface and act all sanctimonious outside because that is the enemy we face; do what they do to us.


Nothing to do with pain.. like I tell people that Kashmir isnt about Kashmiris, its about water security and the higher ground.

For common pakistanis,kashmir isnt for water its for human rights.

 

[MultaniGuy]

They can demand whatever, that isn’t the concern. Creating havoc inside India is.. they did/do it with the Urdu speaking population, with the Baloch and Hazara and with sectarian divide. I say do whatever underhanded dirty criminal thing we need to under the surface and act all sanctimonious outside because that is the enemy we face; do what they do to us.


Nothing to do with pain.. like I tell people that Kashmir isnt about Kashmiris, its about water security and the higher ground.

lol, but for Pakistanis, it is about the rights of the Kashmiri people about what they want Pakistan or India.

 

[jetray]

From my interaction with Indian Muslims I have found they hate Hindus, they face a lot of discrimination, are being forced to dilute their religion and have to bite their tongues. The Hindus encourage the sell outs and the munafique to their bidding and control the large Muslim populace. The mullahs are paid by the Indian government too and by controlling their purse strings they control what they say.

Indian Muslims are considered second or third class citizens in India, worse than Dalit. They have to prove there patriotism by speaking against Pakistan on daily basis.

Indian Muslims have no future in India. It was matter of time. They have started to realize that Jinnah was right. They are frustrated but they cant do anything. Since BJP came into power Muslims have been butchered , they are considered worse than Cow.

This hate against Pakistan in india is actually faced by indian Muslims , poor them. They probably are the most patriotic people in India. Also the Muslim states in india are the poorest with lowest literacy rate and zero development project. Given these facts one can imagine what future hold for indian Muslims. I believe you ll see plight of Indian Muslims to Pakistan in a decade or so.

Its a pity that textbooks have not changed since independence.

Indian Muslims are a minority in India.

180 million is not a minority.

there will be a Muslim insurgency in India and the ISI along with Chinese intelligence should pump as much as we can into it but keep it disconnected from any ideal of Pakistan; just push for another independent Indian Muslim homeland.

It will happen in due course of time when cows convert(not evolve) to camels, fertile lands becomes desert,coconut trees become palm trees but ironically it will be still indian not arab bcos good old earth doesnt change.

Its a strange combination of Macaulay & foreign religion which has produced bizarre output totally alien to the land leading to severe identity crisis that it tries to poison & destroy every thing.

 

[Meengla]

lol, but for Pakistanis, it is about the rights of the Kashmiri people about what they want Pakistan or India.

Water may well be an issue. But most Pakistanis are not deeply aware of it. It's an emotional attachment. India knows darn well that choking the Indus River would mean an M.A.D.. It's not like Israelis dealing with Palestinians as in case of India and Pakistan.

 

[Trango Towers]

There is no dilemma for Indian muslims. There are people who love Pakistan, there will always be few mullah clads who still keep ummah chumma above their land. Speaking of Israel, they already occupied the region, they are there to stay. Their land their mess.


^^decades of experience speaking for themselves. And never learns the lesson, keep thinking about brotherhood above all.


India is the land every person is born to. If you wanna teach ummah to someone, go look at arab nations.

Calm down you cow cola not only stinks But is getting cold.

 

[Kaniska]

Hmmm. As some one who has DOZENS of close relatives in India and Pakistan and who's been to India twice--my understanding is that Indian Muslims were very much FOR Pakistan. A lot of them just couldn't leave for Pakistan in 1947 for various reasons--but none of those reasons were not because they didn't believe in Jinnah's vision of a Pakistan. But it's just very hard to leave your ancestral lands.

As I said, Indian Muslims 'were' but that statement requires some explanation: They were openly for Pakistan even in more urban areas like Ahmadabad--where I still have relatives (first cousins). They used to cheer for Pakistan during cricket matches. But... with Pakistan's image being so destroyed since 9/11, things have changed considerably. Now they realize that it's better to be an 'Indian' which opens up options for educated people to go abroad with easier access. Besides, they know what raising heads can mean--the Gujarat Massacres of 2002 are a vivid reminder.

Where do we go from here? I think we wish them the best luck--as we do to Bangladeshis--but from a distance. Eventually these religious divides will not mean much and Indian Muslims will integrate within India. Slowly but surely.

Spot on and to some extent you have presented correct picture...

@KapitaanAli ...Not sure, based on your user name, i thought you may share your thoughts on this thread..I am not sure, if any other Indian Muslim posters are available in PDF...

 

[MultaniGuy]

Its a pity that textbooks have not changed since independence.


180 million is not a minority.

It will happen in due course of time when cows convert(not evolve) to camels, fertile lands becomes desert,coconut trees become palm trees but ironically it will be still indian not arab bcos good old earth doesnt change.

Its a strange combination of Macaulay & foreign religion which has produced bizarre output totally alien to the land leading to severe identity crisis that it tries to poison & destroy every thing.

Indian Muslims may make 180 million people in India, but Indian Muslims make only 14% maximum of Indian population.

 

[Kaniska]

Water may well be an issue. But most Pakistanis are not deeply aware of it. It's an emotional attachment. India knows darn well that choking the Indus River would mean an M.A.D.. It's not like Israelis dealing with Palestinians as in case of India and Pakistan.

Trust me...No Indian would like to go even of thinking stopping water to Pakistan even in worst scenario between us...At least i hope, India and Pakistan should be a rival with dignity...where no one should go to a level to stop water to other nation...

 

[MultaniGuy]

Spot on and to some extent you have presented correct picture...

@KapitaanAli ...Not sure, based on your user name, i thought you may share your thoughts on this thread..I am not sure, if any other Indian Muslim posters are available in PDF...

Personally I think Indian Muslims have integrated in India.
They should be accepted in India.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

A Muslim is considered more inferior to a cow and most of them are okay with that, I don't think it matters what their stance is and isn't.

 

[Kaniska]

Personally I think Indian Muslims have integrated in India.
They should be accepted in India.

Here is my thought..

1-Indian Muslims are like regular citizens of India...It is not like they always think like a block.
2- People who stays in cities and exposed to media and education, are definitely suave and like regular Indian and bat for India...But they also resent and protest for the discrimination that they face due to inherent nature of our society..Again, this is to be noted, that discrimination exists in India not for Muslims only, it can be anything like Caste, status, region and so many f** factors which even i hate to list out...
3- Nationalistic Hindus, are anti Pakistani...But nationalistic Muslims are not so anti Pakistan as Hindus...And this is where the clash of perception comes into play..
4- Now, the reason, Indian Muslims are questioned not because they are patriotic, but their priority of religion and country...
5- Hinduism is not so rigid like Islam...So for us, nation comes 1st at the expense of religion...which is always in doubt for Muslims...That creates confusion and question the intetrity of Indian Muslims in the mind of majority..

Most importantly, even if Hindus questioning the patriotism of Indian Muslims does not mean, Indian Muslims are less patriotic rather it is a glarity disparity in perception of how we define our nationalism to our citizens...Being multi cultural society, we could not really strongly define it...And Congress Gov took a short cut of just keeping the problem under carpet for long due to which we have a situation where extreme right wing Gov in place...

 

[ranjeet]

India is a democracy and everyone has a right to express their views and protest peacefully, but to think that Indian foreign relations will be a hostage to certain groups of people on whatever basis is far fetched. Some ummah lovers who wish to protest are most welcomed but if you take law in your hands i am sure you will get the rough end of the stick from law.

 

[Kaniska]

A Muslim is considered more inferior to a cow and most of them are okay with that, I don't think it matters what their stance is and isn't.

We the people of India failed to protect not only Muslims of India, even failed to stop people being persecuted in the name of cast, region, state and many more factors...This is the ugly truth of Indian society which i hope some day will be go away...

So my intent of saying all these things is to highlight, there is nothing specifically done bad for Muslims rather, bad people just find some reason to discriminate even Hindu people with different reason...