Indian Muslims got ‘less religious’ since 2016, shows CSDS study. 44% reported discrimination

[SIPRA]

No

I thought "Pajeet" word is prohibited on PDF.

 

[Brar]

I would take these numbers with a huge sack of salt. The numbers for the sikhs are way off and does not make sense unless they deliberatly excluded the majority sahajdhari sikhs.

 

[peagle]

"Sanghi" and "Bhakt" can also be used.

No, because they also dilute the message.

An effective message is something that everyone can understand without thinking, something that is obvious.

Islamic terrorist or Muslim terrorist, or a terrorist who is a Muslim or visits a mosque, these are direct correlations, they provide clear imagery.

Words such as hindutva, sanghi, bhakt have no meaning except to those who are aware, even I forget their meaning sometimes, because they mean nothing. They provide a recognition, but no imagery when a word is heard. That's by design.

If you say Hindu terrorist or extremist that is clear imagery, it is also true if their motivation for an act is religiously motivated.

The point of a message is so that anyone understands, even those who do not know or have no interest, but it stays in their minds.
You do not want to live in an echo chamber but get the message spread across the world, the world is actively using those same terms to malign you.

People around the world do not understand hindutva, except those in the know. The right words are not being used, that is unfair, and it is being implicit to a lie.

 

[pakpride00090]

No, because they also dilute the message.

An effective message is something that everyone can understand without thinking, something that is obvious.

Islamic terrorist or Muslim terrorist, or a terrorist who is a Muslim or visits a mosque, these are direct correlations, they provide clear imagery.

Words such as hindutva, sanghi, bhakt have no meaning except to those who are aware, even I forget their meaning sometimes, because they mean nothing. The provide a recognition, but no imagery when a word is heard. That's by design.

If you say Hindu terrorist or extremist that is clear imagery, it is also true if their motivation for an act is religiously motivated.

The point of a message is so that anyone understands, even those who do not know or have no interest, but it stays in their minds.
You do not want to live in an echo chamber but get the message spread across the world, the world is actively using those same terms to malign you.

People around the world do not understand hindutva, except those in the know. The right words are not being used, that is unfair, and it is being implicit to a lie.

Very good point.

Use Hindu terrorism or Hindu terrorists.

 

[peagle]

Very good point.

Use Hindu terrorism or Hindu terrorists.

But, it is extremely important to be clear and not use such terms loosely, because obviously most Hindus are just like Muslims, normal people.

But, the extremist elements should be called out for who they are, using the appropriate terms.

 

[aryadravida]

You're right this should be discussed. This is actually concerning and shows there is an issue among India's Muslim community.


Take a look at this, and to all brothers and sisters on here;



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Muslims at 72% a shade above the Hindu community, but far from Sikhs and below Christians.

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This was very poor.

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There isn't any issue...it has got to do mostly with internet....in the last four years some tens of ex muslim channels have cropped up in urdu on youtube of both indian and pakistani muslims.
This is not just indian phenomena..it is happening in saudi and iran too...

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Middle East: Are people losing their religion? – DW – 02/04/2021

Recent surveys indicate strongly that across the Middle East and Iran, almost half the population is loosening their ties to Islam. Governments have reacted differently to calls for reforms of institutional religion.

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Iranians have lost their faith according to survey

According to a new poll, four decades after the establishment of the Islamic regime, only 32% of the population consider themselves Shia Muslims.

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[imadul]

Trend I noticed too, way too much religion with these folks
It's a defense forum not a Ghar wapsi forum @aryadravida

Nothing wrong here. There are many blog topics here besides defense.

 

[ziaulislam]

New Delhi: Young Muslims “stand somewhat apart” from their Hindu, Sikh, and Christian cohorts as they are the only community to have recorded a significant decline in religious activities over the last five years, according to a survey report released earlier this month.

The report, titled ‘Indian Youth: Aspirations and Vision for the Future’, was based on a survey conducted in July-August this year on 6,277 people aged 18-34 across 18 states. The study was carried out by the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies (CSDS) under its research programme Lokniti, in collaboration with German think tank Konrad Adenauer Stiftung (KAS).


The survey found that the proportion of Muslims praying, fasting, visiting mosques, and reading or watching religious material was lower than it was in 2016, when the last CSDS-Lokniti survey was conducted.

Muslims also stood apart from other communities in another respect: their experience of being discriminated against by their friends because of religion. While two other religious minorities, Christians and Sikhs, were similar to Muslims in expressing a “strong sense of despair” about communal harmony in India, a much lower proportion of them reported experiencing religious discrimination.

Muslims went from highest to lowest in religious activity in 5-yr span
The 2016 CSDS youth survey, conducted on a sample size of 5,681, found that Muslim youths reported higher religiosity than any other group. In that year, 97 per cent of Muslim respondents said they prayed regularly, followed by Hindus (92 per cent), Sikhs (92 per cent), and Christians (91 per cent).

However, in 2021, only 86 per cent of Muslim youth said they prayed regularly — a decline of 11 percentage points from five years ago. In comparison, the share of youth who report praying regularly has risen among Sikhs (96 per cent) and Christians (93 per cent), and declined only marginally for Hindus (88 per cent).





Similarly, there has been a sharp decline in the proportion of Muslim youths visiting places of worship.

In 2016, 85 per cent of Muslim respondents reported that they visited their place of worship (at various frequencies), but in 2021, only 79 per cent said they had done so. While there was a decline among other religions too, it was the highest among Muslims — 6 percentage points, followed by 4 percentage points for Hindus (to 88 per cent from 92), 2 percentage points for Christians (to 89 per cent from 91), and 1 percentage point for Sikhs (to 96 per cent from 97)
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While 18 per cent of Muslim youngsters observed an increase in their religious participation, 20 per cent felt that their religious participation had gone down.

For Christians and Sikhs, the share of respondents observing both an increase and decrease was the same, at 25 per cent and 13 per cent, respectively.

Hindus reported a net increase in their perception of their religious participation. About 20 per cent of Hindu respondents reported a rise in religious participation, while 16 per cent observed a fall.

Pessimism about religious harmony in India
The CSDS report took note of data from the National Crime Records Bureau, pointing out that 857 cases of communal/religious rioting were registered in 2020, nearly doubling from 438 in 2019.

The report also mentioned recent “hate crimes and lynchings” targeting minority communities as well as the new citizenship law for religious minorities from India’s three Muslim-majority neighbours. In this context, the survey asked the respondents whether they thought religious harmony would improve or worsen in the next five years.

While only 19 per cent of Hindus said they believed there would be a deterioration in communal harmony, the minorities were far more pessimistic — 31 per cent of Christians and 33 per cent each of Muslims and Sikhs said they believed religious amity would decline.

The report’s authors dug deeper into the views of Muslim youth on the grounds that the community has “borne the brunt of discrimination and violence in recent years”.

According to the report, the “despair” about religious co-existence was higher among the Muslims who lived in states with a Muslim population higher than the national average of 14.23 per cent. Taken together, these states — Assam, West Bengal, UP, Bihar, Jharkhand, and Kerala — were more likely to be pessimistic about religious harmony.

In these states collectively, 35 per cent of Muslims said they expected a deterioration compared with 23 per cent in states with a lower-than-average Muslim population.

The survey further found that Muslims in states which had a higher-than-average Muslim population were also more likely to report religious discrimination, arguably because there was “a greater chance of interaction” between the majority and minority communities.

Perception of religious discrimination
According to the 2011 Census, Hindus comprise about 80 per cent of the population, followed by the three biggest minority communities — Muslims (14.23 per cent), Christians (2.3 per cent), and Sikhs (1.72 per cent).

Among the minorities sampled in the survey, Muslims reported experiencing discrimination from their friends most frequently.

About 44 per cent of Muslim respondents said they faced discrimination from their friends, with 13 per cent saying this happened often and 31 per cent saying it occurred sometimes. Only 18 per cent Christians (4 per cent often, 14 per cent sometimes) and 8 per cent Sikhs (3 per cent often, 5 per cent sometimes) reported such discrimination, the survey data showed.

Graphic: Ramandeep Kaur/ThePrint
While, on average, 70 per cent of the respondents said they never faced discrimination for their religion, this was only 49 per cent for Muslims.

“What is interesting here is that unlike on the issue of religious harmony where there was some sort of unanimity of opinion among youths from different religious minorities, on the issue of facing discrimination, Muslims were quite alone in feeling so,” the report said.

Are Muslims really getting less religious?
The survey report in its discussion of the results said it seemed “counter-intuitive” that Muslim youth appeared to be less religious than before.

“One would think that being at the receiving end of hate, discrimination, and violence would have resulted in an even greater proportion of Muslims turning towards their faith,” the report said, adding that it was possible that some Muslim respondents may have felt “less comfortable” about revealing their religious practices.

ThePrint spoke to Islamic scholars for their views on the findings of the study, and found that they were generally sceptical.

According to Khalid Firangi Mahali, chairman of the Lucknow-based Islamic Centre of India, the survey’s data do not reflect ground realities.

“These kinds of surveys are done on very few people, mostly in urban areas. They do not represent the entire population. I don’t believe that there is any decline in Muslim youngsters’ religious participation,” Mahali said. “You go to any mosque in this country on a Friday and see the demographics by yourself. You will find lots of young men coming for the prayers.”

Hilal Ahmed, a scholar of political Islam and associate professor at CSDS, told ThePrint that it is also important to keep in mind that how people perceive their religious practice is subjective.

“The survey data is based on the perception of an individual… and religiosity has a high degree of subjectivity. For one person, offering namaz every Friday might be considered as a deviation from the established norm of being a practising Muslim. A person who offers it five times a day might consider themselves as a regular praying person,” he told ThePrint.

Ahmed also pointed out that Muslims tend to be more private about religion, and cited an article he wrote for ThePrint around the same issue.

“It could be argued that Islamic religiosities do not entirely determine the everyday life of Indian Muslim communities. That is the reason why they describe themselves as somewhat religious,” Ahmed had written in the piece.

So why does data show a decline?

According to Ahmed, there is a decline of established forms of religiosity in India. For example, Tablighi Jamaat, which for several decades was an important Sunni Muslim movement promoting greater religiosity, is no longer as attractive to young Muslims for expressing their Islam. “This has resulted in a creation of a vacuum, due to which Muslims are looking for a new religiosity,” Ahmed said.

He added that Muslim youths may not be praying as often but many are doing other things like visiting babas and peers for consultation. “Muslims these days are in a need of new religiosity — they have not moved away from religion, rather they are seeking a new path,” he said.

(Edited by Asavari Singh)

Indian Muslims got 'less religious' since 2016, shows CSDS study. 44% reported discrimination

Muslims report more discrimination than other minorities, but instead of ‘turning to faith’ they are getting less religious, report says. Experts say reality is more nuanced.

theprint.in

Wow
Doubt people in pakistan go to worship this often as hindus 90%

Guess we r more secular

 

[hussain0216]

There isn't any issue...it has got to do mostly with internet....in the last four years some tens of ex muslim channels have cropped up in urdu on youtube of both indian and pakistani muslims.
This is not just indian phenomena..it is happening in saudi and iran too...

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The God Delusion is big in Saudi Arabia. Three million copies of Richard Dawkins’s bible of atheism were downloaded in the kingdom—one of twelve Muslim-majority states where the statute books prescribe the death penalty for apostasy. It is difficult to gain an accurate estimate of the number of ...

secularhumanism.org

Middle East: Are people losing their religion? – DW – 02/04/2021

Recent surveys indicate strongly that across the Middle East and Iran, almost half the population is loosening their ties to Islam. Governments have reacted differently to calls for reforms of institutional religion.

www.dw.com

Iranians have lost their faith according to survey

According to a new poll, four decades after the establishment of the Islamic regime, only 32% of the population consider themselves Shia Muslims.

old.iranintl.com

When you have 2 billion people and growing their will always be people coming and going

Islam and Muslim populations are always full of new converts to islam


But how can a survey of 6000 people reflect over 200 million Indian Muslims

 

[Turingsage]

So there is LESS discrimination against Muslims in India than in UK where many of these PDF posters choose to live and work instead of Pakistan.
I wonder how discriminated these Muslims in UK feel and would they ever abandon the Queen to return to a non-discriminatory Pakistan where there would be no discrimination.


Majority of British Muslims have witnessed Islamophobia – study
This article is more than 6 years old
60% of respondents to survey say they have seen abuse or discrimination directed at fellow Muslims, up from 40% in 2010

Worshippers during Friday prayer at the East London Mosque. The IHRC report links rising anti-Muslim prejudice to politicians and the media. Photograph: Odd Andersen/AFP/Getty Images

Vikram Dodd
Wed 11 Nov 2015 12.05 GMT

The majority of British Muslims say they have witnessed discrimination against followers of the Islamic faith and that a climate of hate is being driven by politicians and media, a study has found.
Six out of 10 Muslims in Britain surveyed by the Islamic Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said they had seen Islamophobia directed at someone else, up from four in 10 when the survey was first conducted in 2010. Then, half of Muslims said they had not witnessed Islamophobia – a figure that has now crashed to 18%.

Furthermore, feelings of being increasingly demonised and discriminated against are rising, according to the report, which says Muslims suffer physical and verbal abuse, as well as discrimination in the workplace.
The study is based on interviews with 1,780 people a

Majority of British Muslims have witnessed Islamophobia – study

60% of respondents to survey say they have seen abuse or discrimination directed at fellow Muslims, up from 40% in 2010

www.theguardian.com

 

[El Sidd]

Well ofcourse for these people to bring about a civil war in India they must become fully disheartened in their beliefs and hopes.

They will leave the pen for the pistol.

 

[hussain0216]

So there is LESS discrimination against Muslims in India than in UK where many of these PDF posters choose to live and work instead of Pakistan.
I wonder how discriminated these Muslims in UK feel and would they ever abandon the Queen to return to a non-discriminatory Pakistan where there would be no discrimination.


Majority of British Muslims have witnessed Islamophobia – study
This article is more than 6 years old
60% of respondents to survey say they have seen abuse or discrimination directed at fellow Muslims, up from 40% in 2010

Worshippers during Friday prayer at the East London Mosque. The IHRC report links rising anti-Muslim prejudice to politicians and the media. Photograph: Odd Andersen/AFP/Getty Images

Vikram Dodd
Wed 11 Nov 2015 12.05 GMT

The majority of British Muslims say they have witnessed discrimination against followers of the Islamic faith and that a climate of hate is being driven by politicians and media, a study has found.
Six out of 10 Muslims in Britain surveyed by the Islamic Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said they had seen Islamophobia directed at someone else, up from four in 10 when the survey was first conducted in 2010. Then, half of Muslims said they had not witnessed Islamophobia – a figure that has now crashed to 18%.

Furthermore, feelings of being increasingly demonised and discriminated against are rising, according to the report, which says Muslims suffer physical and verbal abuse, as well as discrimination in the workplace.
The study is based on interviews with 1,780 people a

Majority of British Muslims have witnessed Islamophobia – study

60% of respondents to survey say they have seen abuse or discrimination directed at fellow Muslims, up from 40% in 2010

www.theguardian.com

There is discrimination across the world
Muslims themselves are big enough in number to discriminate

But Indian Muslims have their own land, they are not immigrants

Ultimately as India becomes more and more communal then partition is the only choice

 

[Vapnope]

So there is LESS discrimination against Muslims in India than in UK where many of these PDF posters choose to live and work instead of Pakistan.
I wonder how discriminated these Muslims in UK feel and would they ever abandon the Queen to return to a non-discriminatory Pakistan where there would be no discrimination

Hindus face discrimination in Bangladesh, but did all Hindus leave Bangladesh?
UK is a first world country and provides access to health and jobs more than Pakistan hence people wouldn't leave UK. Just because people choose to live somewhere doesn't mean there is no discrimination.

 

[waz]

There isn't any issue...it has got to do mostly with internet....in the last four years some tens of ex muslim channels have cropped up in urdu on youtube of both indian and pakistani muslims.
This is not just indian phenomena..it is happening in saudi and iran too...

Men without God: The Rise of Atheism in Saudi Arabia | Free Inquiry

The God Delusion is big in Saudi Arabia. Three million copies of Richard Dawkins’s bible of atheism were downloaded in the kingdom—one of twelve Muslim-majority states where the statute books prescribe the death penalty for apostasy. It is difficult to gain an accurate estimate of the number of ...

secularhumanism.org

Middle East: Are people losing their religion? – DW – 02/04/2021

Recent surveys indicate strongly that across the Middle East and Iran, almost half the population is loosening their ties to Islam. Governments have reacted differently to calls for reforms of institutional religion.

www.dw.com

Iranians have lost their faith according to survey

According to a new poll, four decades after the establishment of the Islamic regime, only 32% of the population consider themselves Shia Muslims.

old.iranintl.com

And more than triple on the internet regarding islam have propped up with converts leading the way and people who have left Islam coming back into it......There's also plenty of videos by neutral people saying that Islamic propagation is now ascending with many people drawn to it.

Here's some real data from PEW's extensive research in 2018;

This looks at the difference between younger generations and older generations on those who identify with a religion and the countries which have the most pronounced difference. Muslim countries don't even register.

World map and again Muslim nations score highly;

This looks at the difference between younger and older generations who believe that religion is 'most important'.

7 Muslim countries register with 5 of those including Iran being at the lower end of the table. So in Iran there is just a 9% difference of youngsters who deem religion being 'most important' than their elders, which statistically is nothing and changes quickly.



Here is the greatest proof of all!!!

The gap between Muslim youngsters and their elders who believe religion is important is just 3%, just nothing.



More data this gives the figure at around 10%, still low.

Age gap attendance;

This data doesn't take into account the extremely high attendance levels of older people many who are retired or have slowed their work routines, where as youngsters don't have that choice.

Praying.

Daily prayer;

All data here;

The Age Gap in Religion Around the World

Young adults tend to be less religious than their elders by several measures; the opposite is rarely true. This pattern holds true across many countries that have different religious, economic and social profiles.

www.pewforum.org

 

[Maula Jatt]

Nothing wrong here. There are many blog topics here besides defense.

No one's as obssesed with religious centric topics like some of these hindutavas on a Pakistani forum too
It's mad annoying