Indian MoD to Push for 124 More MBT Arjun Mark II - DRDO's CLGM to replace Israeli LAHAT Missile!

[magudi]

Parrikar ftw.

Ps :- I remember reading here a few months back some guys claiming gwhen parrikar was about to be made def minister that he doesn't have enough experience to run the ministry

 

[arbit]

Not going into the specifics, I rate parrikar as good as Modi when it comes to clear headedness, foresight, and leadership qualities. He is the right man for the right job. 5 years down the line, things won't be as grim as now, and i have reasons to believe, there might be some reasons for cheer as well

 

[Tshering22]

Yes, you are correct. But still the IA dont like Heavy Tank, the end user in not western countries for Arjun, but it actually its IA. There so called logistic problem, I dont know how much it true after scrapping Sunderji doctrine and commencing the Cold Start.

Which goal is to grab only 40-50 km inside enemy territory, and hold them, the goal is not now to reach Islamabad. No urban warfare or Bridge crossing is such a problem in Cold Start. I dont know actually why IA rejecting a best home grown solution instead of foreign one.
Instead if we spend money on Arjun, even if it is more expensive than T-90, then this money remain in India, and can be used as further R&D development.

One thing, FMBT have to be evolutionary with GE or Honeywell solutions for Gas Turbine.

The Army should have thought about getting requirements changed in the 40 years that took DRDO to sort out indigenous tank technology.

Now either they buy it or the MOD simply bans imports of tanks for the army at all.

Indian armed forces sometimes just behave like teen girls on their periods.

Unless we give it a chance to evolve like how others do, India will never be able to make quality defence goods.

Parikkar should shove it down Suhag's throat if he has to do that.

 

[Ranndhawa]

I really hope PM Modi ji reveals the files that were kept hidden by these anti-national vermin for 60 years.

As Indian citizens we all have a right to know what happened to our national hero.

As for those Indians here who still firmly believe that Gandhi and Nehru were 'leaders' of our country, here is a little snapshot of what these two horrible anti-India people were actually doing:

sir i think he died a peaceful death in ayodhya as Gumnami Baba.

 

[Echo_419]

I knew it!! 2 years ago on this forum, I had said the same thing. But at that time all the 'analysts' mocked me for saying that there is a fundamental problem and that Army has the right to import.

Turns out, it was all wrong and because UPA ministers and the 'Yes Madam' generals like Deepak Kapoor ruined all the game plan. Now we are behind by 10 years and have to start from where NDA-1 had left.

What a shame! 10 years lost due to intellectual terrorism, brainwashing the Indian mass into believing that they can't do anything themselves!

For this alone, there should be an ordinance passed, limiting the freedom of the crony media who played hands in glove to mislead the nation.

I like the new DM very much

 

[Indo-guy]

I really hope PM Modi ji reveals the files that were kept hidden by these anti-national vermin for 60 years.

As Indian citizens we all have a right to know what happened to our national hero.

As for those Indians here who still firmly believe that Gandhi and Nehru were 'leaders' of our country, here is a little snapshot of what these two horrible anti-India people were actually doing:

Stalin killed Netaji, Subramanian Swamy says - The Times of India

KOLKATA: Claiming that Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose did not die in a plane crash in 1945 but was killed at the instance of Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, BJP leader Subramanian Swamy on Saturday demanded declassification of secret files on the leader.

Seeking declassification of files to unravel the mystery behind the legendary nationalist leader and freedom fighter's death, Swamy blamed Stalin of killing Bose in captivity in Siberia.

Participating in a Merchant Chamber of Commerce and Industry organized event here, Swamy, however, admitted that disclosing the secret files might jeopardize India's relation with Britain and Russia but assured of taking up the matter with Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

READ ALSO: Can't reveal Netaji files, will hit international ties, govt says

"According to the papers that exist with us, Bose had faked his death and escaped to Manchuria in China which was under Russian occupation, hoping Russia would look after him. But Stalin put him in a jail in Siberia. Somewhere around 1953, he hanged or suffocated Bose to death," said Swamy.

Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose's death is a highly-contested subject. Many Indians don't believe he was killed in an air crash as reported in 1945.

Swamy also claimed that the-then Indian Prime Minister Jawahar Lal Nehru was aware about Bose being held captive in Yakutsk Prison in Siberia.

READ ALSO: Left Front demands to declassify Netaji files

"Declassification of Netaji documents in haste and without judging the consequences would be difficult. India's relations with Britain and Russia may be affected, but I will persuade the Prime Minister to disclose the documents," said Swamy.

Joseph Stalin rule the Soviet Union from April 3, 1922 to October 16, 1952 with an iron hand.

"The mystery of Bose's disappearance must be solved and the files must be declassified. Because it was Bose's heroics that played a catalytic role in the British leaving India despite winning the world war," added Swamy.

A host of Netaji's descendants, enthusiasts and historians and organizations have been campaigning for declassification of secret files claimed to be in possession of various government departments.

 

[Dr Gupta]

@Abingdonboy the problem is the new Chinese tanks are lighter and designed for the terrain whereas the T-90 are far heavier and slower, this is my concern.

China’s Got a New Mountain Tank — War Is Boring — Medium

 

[Omega007]

Firm the order of 500 Mk.2, so that Avadhi production line able to mature for future production. And sanction the funds for Mk.3 with 50to limitation, a high caliber rifled gun, more importantly ask GE or Honeywell for gas turbine for Mk.3.

The FMBT have to be evolutionary .

No 50 ton please.Even if we go for an unmanned turret,the weight will have to be kept at a minimum 56 ton if we want to have a reasonable level of protection against ever evolving threat from more and more advanced ATGMs and newre FSAPDS rounds.

And forget about a rifled gun,rifled guns for tanks are things of past.Just like many other things in history,their time came and then went away.And I dare say that the presently used rifled gun is the single most weakness in the Arjun's design.The future Mk3 variant should be fitted with a 140 mm high velocity smooth barrel gun of at least L/50 caliber.............or at least we should go for a licensed version of the Rheinmetall L/55 1200mm guns of the Leopard 2A6.

 

[ExtraOdinary]

Yes, you are correct. But still the IA dont like Heavy Tank, the end user in not western countries for Arjun, but it actually its IA. There so called logistic problem, I dont know how much it true after scrapping Sunderji doctrine and commencing the Cold Start.

Which goal is to grab only 40-50 km inside enemy territory, and hold them, the goal is not now to reach Islamabad. No urban warfare or Bridge crossing is such a problem in Cold Start. I dont know actually why IA rejecting a best home grown solution instead of foreign one.
Instead if we spend money on Arjun, even if it is more expensive than T-90, then this money remain in India, and can be used as further R&D development.

One thing, FMBT have to be evolutionary with GE or Honeywell solutions for Gas Turbine.

Are'nt gas turbines fuel guzzlers. That would further complicate logistics during war

 

[Omega007]

@Abingdonboy the problem is the new Chinese tanks are lighter and designed for the terrain whereas the T-90 are far heavier and slower, this is my concern.

China’s Got a New Mountain Tank — War Is Boring — Medium

Light or heavy,you can not drive a tank over the mountains.There are only a few regions along the LAC where tanks can be used (albeit on a very limited scale) and for that,our upgraded T 72s will be more than enough to counter those pesky light tanks.You seriously believe a light tank can hope to survive when pitted against full fledged main battle tanks,even of an older generation - not a chance!!Not in a million!!Besides,best defense against those light tanks would be lurking anti tank teams,equipped with shoulder fired ATGMs like Kornet E or Milan 2Ts which are available to Indian Army in plenty.

 

[SrNair]

MoD first step to cut down Russian influence was diverting our imports.But that wouldnt be enough for tank purchasing.

Now an IITian Defense Minister is asking for explanation.This is not AKAntony,this is Parrikar and usual shitty excuses of Generals not gonna well towards Parrikar.
Now thry will know the real problem.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Good News.

 

[axisofevil]

Reports from China is that they are working on a specific light tank well suited for the mountainous region of Tibet which will be used in a blitzkrieg rapid offensive if there is clash with India in the future. India needs to place attack helicopters in various positions to safeguard it's positions along the border.

Interesting. I figured that what's China is trying to accomplish. A quick victory over India achieves a multitude of goals for China. The difference between now and 1963 is they will ensure their objectives have been met.

 

[cirr]

The Indian Army knows far better than the bureaucrats at the Defence Ministry.

The Indian Army knows far better than the bureaucrats at the Defence Ministry.

 

[gslv mk3]

The Indian Army knows far better than the bureaucrats at the Defence Ministry.

The Indian Army knows far better than the bureaucrats at the Defence Ministry.

And both groups knows far better than trolls like you.