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How is me asking them to be "true" muslms any different from you calling them "untrue " muslims ?
Have you comprehension problem i clearly state that following Islam means doing prayers five times in a day doing feast in Ramadan do hajj umrah etc etc
 
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A somewhat informative article about RSS and its methodologies.

Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh - RSS is the major organization influencing the politics and other aspects of our society from last nearly three decades. As such it has the agenda of Hindu Rasthra, and it politics is called Hindutva, which is the politics based on elite, Brahminical Hindu values. While the dominance of Hindutva poltics is self evident what is less known is that it is the outcome of over nine decades of continuous work on the part of RSS, “What is not so obvious is the institutional groundwork that supports this movement; its long historical roots, the precise meaning and implications of its objectives. The frequent represenatations of Hindutva as a spontaneous mass movement in search of Hindu identity naturalises and suppresses a whole history of meticulously organized efforts towards Hindu Rashtra.” (Basu, KSSF, page 1) The foundations of RSS were laid in Nagpur district of Vidarbha region of the then CP and Berar province. Five Chittapavan Brahmins were the main persons who brought this about and Dr. Keshav Baliram Hedgewar became the first Sar sangh Chalak (Supreme Dictator) of the organization. Its activities were restricted to Nagpur area n the beginning, later it spread in many parts of North India in Particular.

Background of Formation of RSS

During colonial period due to social changes, industrialization, modern education and judicial system, new social classes coming up, Industrialists, businessmen, workers and modern educated classes. These classes threw up many organizations which got crystallized in to Indian National Congress, Satyashodhak samaj of Joti Rao Phule, later Ambedkar came up with Bahishkrit Hitkarini sabha and Narayan Meghaji Lokhade and Singarvelu laid the foundation for workers unions. These were from the rising classes of society. The old ruling classes, the landlords, jamindars, Rajas and Nawabs also threw up organizations which in due course culminated in formation of Muslim League on one side and Hindu Mahasabah on the other. These organizations were later joined in by many middle, upper class edcuted and other elite also.

RSS came up in the decades of 1920s as in this decade many a social changes were taking place, changes which were disturbing the status quo of landlordism, caste and gender equations. The backdrop of social changes of workers coming up in cities, dalits getting education and women’s education and women’s entry into social space began.
RSS was founded in the backdrop which needs to be understood. With the entry of Mahatma Gandhi into the political arena, the dynamics of the anti-British movement got tremendously galvanized. He converted the anti British movement into a mass movement, with people of all religions, castes and creed joining in the movement with great enthusiasm. The Brahminical and elite domination in the Congress started declining. At this time the upper castes, and the Brahmins, supported by Jamindari elements and bania’s, in order to reassert their hegemony on the social political and social scene came up with the idea of a Religion based National organization, the RSS.
Ideologically before formation of RSS ‘Savarkar put forward the idea of ‘Hindutva as the basis for politics, which stood for Nationalism based on Hinduism.’ (Puniyani, 2000, 51) Savarkar put forward the notion of Hindutva as total hinduness based on Aryan Race, Land from Sindhu river to seas, and Brahmanical culture. He posited that there are tow nation here the Hindu nation and the Muslim nation.

RSS took this further to organize the young boys dedicated to the cause of Hindu nation through the politics of Hindutva. At that time (1920s) the Non-Brahman movement was peaking itself and was threatening to shake the very social power of Jamindar-Brahmin nexus. At international level the race based Nationalism of Nazis (Germany) and Fascists (Italy) was on the ascendance. This was the main inspiration for the ideas ‘Nationalism’ of RSS. Later the second Sarsanghchalka of RSS was to articulate it very bluntly, "German National pride has now become the topic of the day. To keep up the purity of the nation and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races-the Jews. National pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown to the world how well nigh impossible it is for races and cultures having differences going to the roots to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in India to learn and profit by." (Golwalkar, 1938, 27)

Marzia Casolari, an Italian researcher who has done work on roots of Hindu Nationalism concludes that "(a) the main historical organisations and leaders of Hindu Nationalism had a distinctive and sustained interest in fascism and nazism; (b) fascist ideological influences on Hindu Nationalism were present and relevant; (c) to a certain extent, these influences were channelled through direct contacts between Hindu nationalists and members of the Italian fascist state."(Casolari, 2000, 37) RSS decided to keep aloof from day to day to day political struggles and began to train the young boys into the doctrine of Hindu Rashtra. As per this core ideology of RSS "Hindus and Hindus alone, constitute the Indian Nation, since they are the original inhabitants and sole creators of its society and culture. Hinduism is uniquely catholic and tolerant and hence superior to other faiths, ….The subsequent entry and takeover by foreigners created an illusion that India was a land of many different and equal cultures….Only a ’truly secular’ Hindu Rashtra will afford protection to non- Hindus."(Basu, 1993, 37)

RSS Shakha: Indoctrination

This organization decided to keep aloof from the direct political intervention in the society and focused on building cadres in the ideology of Hindu nationalism. It started the building of organization through Shakhas. In shakhas to attract the young boys, they started Indian games. With this they added on Shakha Bauddhik, the intellectual sessions to indoctrinate the young minds into the ideology of Hindu nation. Its training module was based on glorious Hindu past which has been spoiled by the Muslim aggressors. As per their indoctrination module Hindus alone constitute this nation since they are in possession of this land from times immemorial. Hindus in their presentation is tolerant. “ But its tolerance has often been mistaken as weakness. The Hindu nation has been repeatedly conquered by aliens, particularly Muslims and then the Christian British, and must acquire strength through RSS sangathan to counter the present and future threats.” (Basu, page 37)

Through this indoctrination the ‘Hate against Muslims’ is created by narrating stories against Muslim kings in particular. The shakha bauddhiks tell the stories of evil Muslim kings versus glorious Hindu kings. The theme percolated through young minds is that this is a Hindu nation, Hinduism is a great and tolerant religion. The Muslims came here and tried to convert through force due to which communities became unequal and Islam was spread through sword. The selective examples of Muslim and Hindu kings battles are presented as battles between Muslims and Hindus. Some Muslim Kings have been picked up to present the whole Muslim period of Indian History. In this Mahmood Gazni as destroyer of Somnath, Mohammad Ghori who betrayed Prithviraj Chowhan find and important place. From Moghul dynasty Babur is singled out for destroying Ram Temple in Ayodhya. Auragnzeb is accused of spreading Islam by sword and also by imposing Jijia. In addition the destruction of Vishwanath temple in Banaras is taken up as the example of How Muslims insulted Hindu religion.

The stories of battles of Akbar and Rana Pratap, Shivaji and Afzal Khan, Shivaji and Aurangzeb are presented in the form of stories to spread Hate against Muslims and then in turn against Muslims of today. These stories are the staple diet of Shakha Bauddhiks and told with lots of twists to show Muslim kings in a bad light. The same type of interpretation of History is disseminated through the chain of Shishu Mandir Schools and Ekal Vidylayas, which are being managed by RSS organizations. RSS has set up many an organizations in the field of education which are coming up with books with communal slant, and many schools in different states are picking these up as a part of the school curriculum. The word of mouth propaganda of the vast network of RSS volunteers is by now part of the social common understanding about the history.
At another level the Shakha baudhhiks also propagate the greatness of Hindu holy scriptures like Manu Smiriti, while the epics like Ramayan and Mahabharat are presented as the part of ancient history. This pattern has created the Hate for Muslims in India. To begin with there also was the Muslim communal historiography, which looked down upon the Hindu kings as the one’s being subordinate to Muslims, and that it was Muslims who have been the rulers. The conflicting interpretations by now are the deeper part of social thinking of majority of society. The have laid foundation of Hate against Muslim community.

Communal Violence

Hate has in turn been the foundation due to which communal violence has been orchestrated in the society. While in pre-partition India the violence was orchestrated around beef in temple, pork in mosque, the killing of cow, the rumours of rape and molestation of the woman from ‘our’ community by those from other community, taking of musical processions in front of the mosque, in religious processions among others. The British police was fairly objective and neutral in dealing with the violence.

Post partition the first major riot

Who starts the riots : Teesta Setalvad (Who Casts the First Stone, Communalism Combat, March 98) by citing the extracts from five commissions of inquiry shows the truth behind the start of communal riots.

Ahmedabad 1969 : "There was deliberate attempt to suppress the truth from the commission especially the active participation in riots of some RSS and Jan Sangh leaders" (Jana Sangh is the previous political avatar of present of BJP) (from Justice Jagmohan Reddy Commission).

Bhiwandi, Jalagaon 1970 : "In his report to his superior the SP, Thane district has stated, "I found that a section of Hindu elements, particularly RSS and some PSP men, were bent upon creating mischief. Their idea in accompanying the procession was not so much to pay respect to the Great Shivaji but to establish their right and, if possible, to provoke and humiliate Muslims.

The villagers shouted provocative anti-Muslim slogans, behaved aggressively, threw on the Moti Masjid at Bangad galli Hyderi mosque situated at the junction of Dargarch Road and Sutar Alli aided by passive police." (Justice D.P. Madon Commission).

Tellichery 1971 : "In Tellichery Hindus and Muslims were living as brothers for centuries... It was only after RSS and the Jana Sangh set up their units and began activities in Tellicherry that there came a change in situation. Their anti-Muslim propaganda, its reaction on the Muslims who rallied around their communal organisation, the Muslims league.... the communal tension that followed prepared the background for these disturbances".
(Report of Justice Joseph Vithyathil (Commission)

Jamshedpur 1979: From Report of Commission of Inquiry : "In the run up to the communal build up before the elections prepared by the Intelligence branch, Jamshedpur (March 23, 79) there was a special mention made to the divisional conference of the RSS scheduled to be held on March 31 and April 1, in which among others RSS Sarsangh chalak was to participate.

The dispute on the route of the procession became sharp and agitated reactions from a group of persons who called themselves Samyukta Bajarang Bali Akhara Samiti, who systematically distributed pamphlets to heighten communal feeling and had organisational links with the RSS. A call for defiance of authority and administration when it refused permission for one of the routes led to violent mob protesting and raising anti-Muslim slogans. Thereafter incendiary leaflets doing rounds of Jamshedpur (issued on behalf of Sri Ramnavmi Kendriya Akhara Samiti), that is nothing short of an attempt to rouse the sentiments of Hindus to a high pitch to distort events and show some actions as attacks on Hindus that appear to be part of a design".

Kanyakumari Riots (1982): Justice Venugopal Commission :

RSS methodology for provoking communal violence is:

Rousing communal feelings in the majority community by propaganda that Christians are not loyal citizens of this country.
deepening the fear in the majority community by a clever propaganda that the population of minorities is increasing and that of Hindus is decreasing.
training young people of the majority community in the use of weapons like daggers, swords, spears; spreading rumours to widen the communal cleavage and deepen communal feelings by giving a communal colour to trivial incident.

Srikrishna Commission Report: Extracts: “the irresponsible act of Hindutva Parties in celebrating and gloating over the demolition of Babri structure was like twisting a knife in the wound and heightened the anguished ire of the Muslims. The celebration rally organised by Shiv Sena in Dharavi jurisdiction is an example” it further continues, “ The Muslims protested, and protested angrily on the streets. Large number of Muslims congregated near Minara Masjid in Pydhonie jurisdiction at about 2320 hours on 6th December 1992 and came out protesting. Even at this stage, if the mobs had been handled tactfully and with sensitivity and by accepted leaders of both communities, the protest would have been peacefully blown over.” But according to the commission, “the police mishandled the situation and by their aggressive posture turned peaceful protests into violent demonstration during which the first targets of the anger of the mob became the municipal van and the constabulary, both visible signs of establishment.” Justice Srikrishna further observes in his report, "it is significant that the mobs were not armed, not even with stones and sticks, though they were just angry and wanting to vent their spleen against anyone in authority. The situation was misdiagnosed, mishandled and turned messier.”(vol 1 Pg 4)

"The Maha Artis were started from 26th December 1992 and kept adding to the communal tension and endangering the fragile peace which had been established. Some (were used to deliver) communally inciting speeches and the crowds dispersing from (them) indulged in damage, looting and arson of Muslim establishments in the vicinity.” (Volume 1,page 13) On 1st January 1993 there was an article in Samna under the caption’ Hindunni Akramak Vhayala Have’, (Hindus should become aggressive now) openly inciting Hindus to violence.” (Volume 1 page 13) On 4th January 1993 a big mob of Hindus led by Sheri Gajanana Kirtikar, Shri Ramesh More and other Shiva Sena activists took a Morcha to the Jogeshwari police station complaining of lack of security for Hindus. Some of the people in the morcha attacked Chacha Nagar Masjid and the Muslims in the vicinity and injured them. Several Muslim huts in Magdum Nagar in Mahim jurisdiction were set on fire by the Hindus.” (Volume 1 page 13-14)

Gujarat: Citizens Tribunal Report

Godhra, Gujarat and Akhshardham have been the major blots on our democratic ethos in post Independence India. In the din of the tragedies which gripped Gujarat for over a period of ten months, different versions were floating about “who did it?’ The state leadership had one version, while the events themselves were either difficult to decipher on the face value or were indicating the cause of the carnage in some other direction. It is at this point that Concerned Citizens Tribunal was conceived and most outstanding legal brains of the stature of Justices V.K. Krishna Iyer, PB Sawant, Hosbet Suresh, Adv. K.G. Kannabiran, and serious sociologists, Prof. Ghanshyam Shah, Prof. Tanika Sarkar and social workers, Aruna Roy formed this tribunal.

The task was mammoth, the need for knowing the truth paramount and that’s what prompted the tribunal members not only to examine 2094 oral and written testimonies, (both individual and collective), from the victim-survivor and Human rights groups involved in relief and rehabilitation. It also examined volumes of relevant material and all this is put together in two volumes, Crimes against Humanity, which in a way is a landmark investigation in situations like these, where vested interests not only try to hide the truth but also to distort the same.

The findings of the tribunal at one level are close to what many a leading Human Rights activists and scholars were suspecting. The immaculate method of investigation leaves no doubt about the high merit of the report. Its findings point to the complicity of state leadership in the whole tragedy. The tribunal in all its fairness wanted to hear the version of state Govt., Central Govt. and many an individual ministers, who did not respond, while few of them did meet the tribunal and opened their heart. This two-volume report gives interim findings also recommendations about relief, rehabilitation and punishing the guilt. But the list of those named by the witnesses is so large that it is practically a ‘who is who’ of Gujarat political and administrative machinery.

The central point of Godhra, which was made the pretext for the riots, the revenge theory and all that, comes out very clearly in the report. The tribunal concludes that Godhara incident does not seem to be pre-planned. Neither is there a proof of ‘foreign hand’, which was propagated with confidence. Tribunals’ tentative conclusion that the fire was lit from inside and not outside will force us to review the whole, action-reaction thesis, which in a way was used to give legitimacy to state inaction in the face of one of the most severe riots in independent India.

Why was the state political leadership so eager to jump at make believe conclusions, and what might have been the deeper design behind the whole carnage becomes slightly more clear after going through the twin volumes. The tribunal also makes it public that witnesses deposing before the tribunal informed it about the meeting called by the chief minister in which instructions were given not to take action against the ‘Hindu reaction’ to Godhra. This speaks volumes about the real mechanics of the whole tragedy of marathon proportions. Most of the significant part is put in the annexure.

Bannerjee Commission on Godhra train burning

After two and a half years after the tragic incident, Justice U.C. Bannerjee came out with the truth of Godhra. According to the report of this commission, this tragedy was a mere accident and was not a preplanned one as claimed by Narendra Modi and the RSS and its progeny. During the NDA regime, dictated by the RSS combine, the mandatory commission to inquire this major accident was not appointed. The report focuses on the core point of the conspiracy theory. Putting in 140 litres of petrol from outside to burn kar sevaks holds no water for the following reasons. One, every conspiracy requires precise timing. The Sabaramati Express was running late and no one knew this. Accidents are more likely in uncertain schedules. Two, that the outside conspirators pulled the chain is impossible as the chain was pulled for the second time, probably by kar sevaks, as some of them had been left behind. Three, that the vestibule next to S-6 was cut open is impossible to believe as the train stopped for a mere five minutes. Four, that 140 litres of petrol was poured from outside is impossible to believe. The forensic lab report has confirmed that petrol could not have been poured from outside. The absence of traces of hydrocarbons debunks this theory yet again. The pouring of petrol in such huge qSecularism suddenly went out of the windowuantity would result in massive fire in which most of the coach passengers would have died. The type of injuries suffered by the victims belies this theory yet again. The injuries found mostly superficial burns in the upper part of the body while a petrol conflagration would result in severe burn injuries in lower parts of the body. Five, it is known that the kar sewaks had picked up a tiff with the hawkers and also tried to molest a girl. This could have led to the stone throwing from the outside.


http://sacw.net/article14091.html
after reading this article. Secularism from India suddenly went out of the window. Indian people had absolutely no idea of RSS reach, of the ground-level the organization, RSS provides schools in remote areas that look a good job to the common person. But along with literacy, they also teach this kind of vicious ethnic hatred. What attracted the RSS affiliate is the feeling of cultural nationalism.The RSS influence can now be seen in national policies affecting everything from education to commerce and food. and now To be Indian, in the deepest sense, you should be Hindu.
 
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Peaceful because they constitute a minuscule minority, even within the Muslim population in India.

The Shi'ites won't have none of their ideas.

Even pious Sunnis, most of them do not want to go down that route.

TJs whole idea in life is to make normal Sunnis super hardcore and remove them from the Kafir world (normal world we all inhabit), and to convert as many Kafirs as they can, but that is a bonus.

Please try and understand this without the spectre of recent events (covid gatherings/media hysteria or whatever)

India rejects TJ and Taliban type intolerant supremacist Islamists.

Your gross ignorance displays when you equate Tableeghis to the Taliban. We have tried to explain to you what tableeghis really are and have encouraged you to read more on them, but you would rather just stick to your preconceived notions.

I really don't see the point in continuing this discussion, because all you want to do is blame Muslims. Yes you have chosen one type, but that is simply because of times. Today it is the tableeghis, tomorrow it will be the Barelvis, and the day after it may be the Deobandis.
 
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Bhai, I'm really drained by this Hindu-Muslim nonsense.

kya bakwas laga rakhi hai BC ??

stfu already man

I have faith in India, we are going to be fine.

TV dekhna band kro !

Would be nice if you stop regurgitating all the stuff you get on WhatsApp on this forum.
 
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i clearly state that following Islam means doing prayers five times in a day doing feast in Ramadan do hajj umrah etc etc

Islam is not about prayer, ritual and a certain dress-code. That is an incorrect understanding which would make Islam similar to other religions.

True Islam is a Progressive, socialist socio-economic system.

Any Talibani or Al Qaeda member can do those things you mention. Would they be following True Islam ??

Or would a True Muslim be people like Nasser and Gaddafi ??
 
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Or would a True Muslim be people like Nasser and Gaddafi ??

Can you tell me how India honored these Arabs?

We named a cricket ground on one's and Nasir is a common Arabic name in Pakistan.
 
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We are hateful Hindus don't expect anything better.
Run away from India as soon as possible.

I think this is the biggest difference between India and Pakistan.

If there are crimes that are committed against minorities in Pakistan, it gets condemned from everyone including everyone on this board. But in your case or Indians in general, when crimes are committed against Muslims, it is celebrated. Its very obvious in your tone the religious hatred you have for Muslims. Good job, you have succesfully isolated the most patriotic minority of your country. Just remember, they might be taking abuse right now but fear for the day when they say 'Enough is Enough'.

So much for being a beacon of democracy and being a secular nation.
 
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I think this is the biggest difference between India and Pakistan.

If there are crimes that are committed against minorities in Pakistan, it gets condemned from everyone including everyone on this board. But in your case or Indians in general, when crimes are committed against Muslims, it is celebrated. Its very obvious in your tone the religious hatred you have for Muslims. Good job, you have succesfully isolated the most patriotic minority of your country. Just remember, they might be taking abuse right now but fear for the day when they say 'Enough is Enough'.

So much for being a beacon of democracy and being a secular nation.

Yes, crimes against minorities is condemned by everyone in pakistan. And here is the latest proof.

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14-year-old Hindu girl kidnapped and forcibly converted to Islam before being married to 40-year-old man. The alleged abductor/husband, Mohammad Aachar Darejo, took a photo with her and the nikah-nama.


https://nayadaur.tv/2020/04/minor-hindu-girl-forcibly-converted-to-islam-married-to-40-year-old-man/

...In 2019 alone, more than 41 girls belonging to Hindu faith have been kidnapped and converted to Islam, by force.

...Around 1,000 cases of Hindu and Christian girls being forced to convert were estimated in the province of southern Sindh alone in 2018, according to the annual report of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.
 
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Yes, crimes against minorities is condemned by everyone in pakistan. And here is the latest proof.

158711542124167489-9.jpg


14-year-old Hindu girl kidnapped and forcibly converted to Islam before being married to 40-year-old man. The alleged abductor/husband, Mohammad Aachar Darejo, took a photo with her and the nikah-nama.


https://nayadaur.tv/2020/04/minor-hindu-girl-forcibly-converted-to-islam-married-to-40-year-old-man/

...In 2019 alone, more than 41 girls belonging to Hindu faith have been kidnapped and converted to Islam, by force.

...Around 1,000 cases of Hindu and Christian girls being forced to convert were estimated in the province of southern Sindh alone in 2018, according to the annual report of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.

Since when did Islamic nations consider Hindus as humans?

I for one don't give a crap, Firmly believe in the golden rule.
If these islamic nations think they are entitled to treat Hindus as garbage, well, they should be ready for Indian hindus treating them as same as well..

We must strictly adhere to the golden rule and not be black-mailed by these desert cucks with single digit IQ.
Hindus in India need to assert much more, current situation is not good enough.

The push back must be at such level that any moron thinking to lift a stone should shit in their pants/salwar...
 
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Since when did Islamic nations consider Hindus as humans?

I for one don't give a crap, Firmly believe in the golden rule.
If these islamic nations think they are entitled to treat Hindus as garbage, well, they should be ready for Indian hindus treating them as same as well..

We must strictly adhere to the golden rule and not be black-mailed by these desert cucks with single digit IQ.
Hindus in India need to assert much more, current situation is not good enough.

The push back must be at such level that any moron thinking to lift a stone should shit in their pants/salwar...

A Hindu couple is found dead in Tando Bago, Sindh Pakistan. Its said that Hameer Kolhi & his wife Thaon Kolhi committed suicide due to hunger & starvation. This is a reminder that Non-Muslims are denied food, distributed by govt during crona virus lockdown in Pakistan.
 
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A Hindu couple is found dead in Tando Bago, Sindh Pakistan. Its said that Hameer Kolhi & his wife Thaon Kolhi committed suicide due to hunger & starvation. This is a reminder that Non-Muslims are denied food, distributed by govt during crona virus lockdown in Pakistan.


Any Hindu still buying into the secular narrative need a serious beating..
As hindus we need to clean our house of these idiots who preach "we respect all religions" BS to other Hindus....

Last few years millions of Hindus have come out of being apologetic & have taken cudgels at idiots trying to black-mail us from calling Islamists out.
We need millions more Hindus to come out of this blackmailed state.
 
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