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Indian minority affairs minister Mukhtar Abbas hits back at OIC for comments on India

First of all the TJ guys are one of the most peaceful guys. Their main doctrine is about inner reflection rather than outward hostility and they were crticized heavily for this even when there are adversaries. Sure they ask to follow rules to the core but that is it.

Also if living in a country means that I have to water down my religious believes just to appease then that is stupidity. Hindus or Sikhs visits mazars. Do muslims ask them to do it? They go their on their own not by dictation from muslims. Also just because they are going there does it imply we have to go to their places and celebrate their festivals.

I am yet to see except some sarkari muslims mass protest against TJ guys. Sure there may be some things on theological POV that may not be agreed upon but muslims don't see them different from anyone.
Peaceful because they constitute a minuscule minority, even within the Muslim population in India.

The Shi'ites won't have none of their ideas.

Even pious Sunnis, most of them do not want to go down that route.

TJs whole idea in life is to make normal Sunnis super hardcore and remove them from the Kafir world (normal world we all inhabit), and to convert as many Kafirs as they can, but that is a bonus.

Please try and understand this without the spectre of recent events (covid gatherings/media hysteria or whatever)

India rejects TJ and Taliban type intolerant supremacist Islamists.
 
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So now "Kafir" is a word of praise ? :lol:

Since when ?

Or is this like a "caste" system where "Sanghi" is lower than a "Kafir" but higher than "bhakt" ? :cheesy:
I am telling you, you have severe comprehension issues.. :lol:
 
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We aren't going to give an inch of more land to Muslims other than what we lost in 1947. It happened in 1947 as Britishers left us no option. But not any more. Kashmiris who have problem with India are free to cross the LoC.

Plebiscite kabhi nahi hoga, India is a country, koi club nahi he ki aaye aur chale gaye.
Your land because of religion? You must be retarded. The natives are native regardless of what religion or political opinion they hold. It is not your land, it is the land of the people living there for ages.
 
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Peaceful because they constitute a minuscule minority, even within the Muslim population in India.

The Shi'ites won't have none of their ideas.

Even pious Sunnis, most of them do not want to go down that route.

TJs whole idea in life is to make normal Sunnis super hardcore and remove them from the Kafir world (normal world we all inhabit), and to convert as many Kafirs as they can, but that is a bonus.

Please try and understand this without the spectre of recent events (covid gatherings/media hysteria or whatever)

India rejects TJ and Taliban type intolerant supremacist Islamists.
How you say to be so certain about it happening cause I am yet to cross any? Why you are saying pious ones don't subscribe to their belief? And what believes are you talking about? There may be some minor difference but major things remain same in all.
 
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I am telling you, you have severe comprehension issues.. :lol:

A somewhat informative article about RSS and its methodologies.

Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh - RSS is the major organization influencing the politics and other aspects of our society from last nearly three decades. As such it has the agenda of Hindu Rasthra, and it politics is called Hindutva, which is the politics based on elite, Brahminical Hindu values. While the dominance of Hindutva poltics is self evident what is less known is that it is the outcome of over nine decades of continuous work on the part of RSS, “What is not so obvious is the institutional groundwork that supports this movement; its long historical roots, the precise meaning and implications of its objectives. The frequent represenatations of Hindutva as a spontaneous mass movement in search of Hindu identity naturalises and suppresses a whole history of meticulously organized efforts towards Hindu Rashtra.” (Basu, KSSF, page 1) The foundations of RSS were laid in Nagpur district of Vidarbha region of the then CP and Berar province. Five Chittapavan Brahmins were the main persons who brought this about and Dr. Keshav Baliram Hedgewar became the first Sar sangh Chalak (Supreme Dictator) of the organization. Its activities were restricted to Nagpur area n the beginning, later it spread in many parts of North India in Particular.

Background of Formation of RSS

During colonial period due to social changes, industrialization, modern education and judicial system, new social classes coming up, Industrialists, businessmen, workers and modern educated classes. These classes threw up many organizations which got crystallized in to Indian National Congress, Satyashodhak samaj of Joti Rao Phule, later Ambedkar came up with Bahishkrit Hitkarini sabha and Narayan Meghaji Lokhade and Singarvelu laid the foundation for workers unions. These were from the rising classes of society. The old ruling classes, the landlords, jamindars, Rajas and Nawabs also threw up organizations which in due course culminated in formation of Muslim League on one side and Hindu Mahasabah on the other. These organizations were later joined in by many middle, upper class edcuted and other elite also.

RSS came up in the decades of 1920s as in this decade many a social changes were taking place, changes which were disturbing the status quo of landlordism, caste and gender equations. The backdrop of social changes of workers coming up in cities, dalits getting education and women’s education and women’s entry into social space began.
RSS was founded in the backdrop which needs to be understood. With the entry of Mahatma Gandhi into the political arena, the dynamics of the anti-British movement got tremendously galvanized. He converted the anti British movement into a mass movement, with people of all religions, castes and creed joining in the movement with great enthusiasm. The Brahminical and elite domination in the Congress started declining. At this time the upper castes, and the Brahmins, supported by Jamindari elements and bania’s, in order to reassert their hegemony on the social political and social scene came up with the idea of a Religion based National organization, the RSS.
Ideologically before formation of RSS ‘Savarkar put forward the idea of ‘Hindutva as the basis for politics, which stood for Nationalism based on Hinduism.’ (Puniyani, 2000, 51) Savarkar put forward the notion of Hindutva as total hinduness based on Aryan Race, Land from Sindhu river to seas, and Brahmanical culture. He posited that there are tow nation here the Hindu nation and the Muslim nation.

RSS took this further to organize the young boys dedicated to the cause of Hindu nation through the politics of Hindutva. At that time (1920s) the Non-Brahman movement was peaking itself and was threatening to shake the very social power of Jamindar-Brahmin nexus. At international level the race based Nationalism of Nazis (Germany) and Fascists (Italy) was on the ascendance. This was the main inspiration for the ideas ‘Nationalism’ of RSS. Later the second Sarsanghchalka of RSS was to articulate it very bluntly, "German National pride has now become the topic of the day. To keep up the purity of the nation and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races-the Jews. National pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown to the world how well nigh impossible it is for races and cultures having differences going to the roots to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in India to learn and profit by." (Golwalkar, 1938, 27)

Marzia Casolari, an Italian researcher who has done work on roots of Hindu Nationalism concludes that "(a) the main historical organisations and leaders of Hindu Nationalism had a distinctive and sustained interest in fascism and nazism; (b) fascist ideological influences on Hindu Nationalism were present and relevant; (c) to a certain extent, these influences were channelled through direct contacts between Hindu nationalists and members of the Italian fascist state."(Casolari, 2000, 37) RSS decided to keep aloof from day to day to day political struggles and began to train the young boys into the doctrine of Hindu Rashtra. As per this core ideology of RSS "Hindus and Hindus alone, constitute the Indian Nation, since they are the original inhabitants and sole creators of its society and culture. Hinduism is uniquely catholic and tolerant and hence superior to other faiths, ….The subsequent entry and takeover by foreigners created an illusion that India was a land of many different and equal cultures….Only a ’truly secular’ Hindu Rashtra will afford protection to non- Hindus."(Basu, 1993, 37)

RSS Shakha: Indoctrination

This organization decided to keep aloof from the direct political intervention in the society and focused on building cadres in the ideology of Hindu nationalism. It started the building of organization through Shakhas. In shakhas to attract the young boys, they started Indian games. With this they added on Shakha Bauddhik, the intellectual sessions to indoctrinate the young minds into the ideology of Hindu nation. Its training module was based on glorious Hindu past which has been spoiled by the Muslim aggressors. As per their indoctrination module Hindus alone constitute this nation since they are in possession of this land from times immemorial. Hindus in their presentation is tolerant. “ But its tolerance has often been mistaken as weakness. The Hindu nation has been repeatedly conquered by aliens, particularly Muslims and then the Christian British, and must acquire strength through RSS sangathan to counter the present and future threats.” (Basu, page 37)

Through this indoctrination the ‘Hate against Muslims’ is created by narrating stories against Muslim kings in particular. The shakha bauddhiks tell the stories of evil Muslim kings versus glorious Hindu kings. The theme percolated through young minds is that this is a Hindu nation, Hinduism is a great and tolerant religion. The Muslims came here and tried to convert through force due to which communities became unequal and Islam was spread through sword. The selective examples of Muslim and Hindu kings battles are presented as battles between Muslims and Hindus. Some Muslim Kings have been picked up to present the whole Muslim period of Indian History. In this Mahmood Gazni as destroyer of Somnath, Mohammad Ghori who betrayed Prithviraj Chowhan find and important place. From Moghul dynasty Babur is singled out for destroying Ram Temple in Ayodhya. Auragnzeb is accused of spreading Islam by sword and also by imposing Jijia. In addition the destruction of Vishwanath temple in Banaras is taken up as the example of How Muslims insulted Hindu religion.

The stories of battles of Akbar and Rana Pratap, Shivaji and Afzal Khan, Shivaji and Aurangzeb are presented in the form of stories to spread Hate against Muslims and then in turn against Muslims of today. These stories are the staple diet of Shakha Bauddhiks and told with lots of twists to show Muslim kings in a bad light. The same type of interpretation of History is disseminated through the chain of Shishu Mandir Schools and Ekal Vidylayas, which are being managed by RSS organizations. RSS has set up many an organizations in the field of education which are coming up with books with communal slant, and many schools in different states are picking these up as a part of the school curriculum. The word of mouth propaganda of the vast network of RSS volunteers is by now part of the social common understanding about the history.
At another level the Shakha baudhhiks also propagate the greatness of Hindu holy scriptures like Manu Smiriti, while the epics like Ramayan and Mahabharat are presented as the part of ancient history. This pattern has created the Hate for Muslims in India. To begin with there also was the Muslim communal historiography, which looked down upon the Hindu kings as the one’s being subordinate to Muslims, and that it was Muslims who have been the rulers. The conflicting interpretations by now are the deeper part of social thinking of majority of society. The have laid foundation of Hate against Muslim community.

Communal Violence

Hate has in turn been the foundation due to which communal violence has been orchestrated in the society. While in pre-partition India the violence was orchestrated around beef in temple, pork in mosque, the killing of cow, the rumours of rape and molestation of the woman from ‘our’ community by those from other community, taking of musical processions in front of the mosque, in religious processions among others. The British police was fairly objective and neutral in dealing with the violence.

Post partition the first major riot

Who starts the riots : Teesta Setalvad (Who Casts the First Stone, Communalism Combat, March 98) by citing the extracts from five commissions of inquiry shows the truth behind the start of communal riots.

Ahmedabad 1969 : "There was deliberate attempt to suppress the truth from the commission especially the active participation in riots of some RSS and Jan Sangh leaders" (Jana Sangh is the previous political avatar of present of BJP) (from Justice Jagmohan Reddy Commission).

Bhiwandi, Jalagaon 1970 : "In his report to his superior the SP, Thane district has stated, "I found that a section of Hindu elements, particularly RSS and some PSP men, were bent upon creating mischief. Their idea in accompanying the procession was not so much to pay respect to the Great Shivaji but to establish their right and, if possible, to provoke and humiliate Muslims.

The villagers shouted provocative anti-Muslim slogans, behaved aggressively, threw on the Moti Masjid at Bangad galli Hyderi mosque situated at the junction of Dargarch Road and Sutar Alli aided by passive police." (Justice D.P. Madon Commission).

Tellichery 1971 : "In Tellichery Hindus and Muslims were living as brothers for centuries... It was only after RSS and the Jana Sangh set up their units and began activities in Tellicherry that there came a change in situation. Their anti-Muslim propaganda, its reaction on the Muslims who rallied around their communal organisation, the Muslims league.... the communal tension that followed prepared the background for these disturbances".
(Report of Justice Joseph Vithyathil (Commission)

Jamshedpur 1979: From Report of Commission of Inquiry : "In the run up to the communal build up before the elections prepared by the Intelligence branch, Jamshedpur (March 23, 79) there was a special mention made to the divisional conference of the RSS scheduled to be held on March 31 and April 1, in which among others RSS Sarsangh chalak was to participate.

The dispute on the route of the procession became sharp and agitated reactions from a group of persons who called themselves Samyukta Bajarang Bali Akhara Samiti, who systematically distributed pamphlets to heighten communal feeling and had organisational links with the RSS. A call for defiance of authority and administration when it refused permission for one of the routes led to violent mob protesting and raising anti-Muslim slogans. Thereafter incendiary leaflets doing rounds of Jamshedpur (issued on behalf of Sri Ramnavmi Kendriya Akhara Samiti), that is nothing short of an attempt to rouse the sentiments of Hindus to a high pitch to distort events and show some actions as attacks on Hindus that appear to be part of a design".

Kanyakumari Riots (1982): Justice Venugopal Commission :

RSS methodology for provoking communal violence is:

Rousing communal feelings in the majority community by propaganda that Christians are not loyal citizens of this country.
deepening the fear in the majority community by a clever propaganda that the population of minorities is increasing and that of Hindus is decreasing.
training young people of the majority community in the use of weapons like daggers, swords, spears; spreading rumours to widen the communal cleavage and deepen communal feelings by giving a communal colour to trivial incident.

Srikrishna Commission Report: Extracts: “the irresponsible act of Hindutva Parties in celebrating and gloating over the demolition of Babri structure was like twisting a knife in the wound and heightened the anguished ire of the Muslims. The celebration rally organised by Shiv Sena in Dharavi jurisdiction is an example” it further continues, “ The Muslims protested, and protested angrily on the streets. Large number of Muslims congregated near Minara Masjid in Pydhonie jurisdiction at about 2320 hours on 6th December 1992 and came out protesting. Even at this stage, if the mobs had been handled tactfully and with sensitivity and by accepted leaders of both communities, the protest would have been peacefully blown over.” But according to the commission, “the police mishandled the situation and by their aggressive posture turned peaceful protests into violent demonstration during which the first targets of the anger of the mob became the municipal van and the constabulary, both visible signs of establishment.” Justice Srikrishna further observes in his report, "it is significant that the mobs were not armed, not even with stones and sticks, though they were just angry and wanting to vent their spleen against anyone in authority. The situation was misdiagnosed, mishandled and turned messier.”(vol 1 Pg 4)

"The Maha Artis were started from 26th December 1992 and kept adding to the communal tension and endangering the fragile peace which had been established. Some (were used to deliver) communally inciting speeches and the crowds dispersing from (them) indulged in damage, looting and arson of Muslim establishments in the vicinity.” (Volume 1,page 13) On 1st January 1993 there was an article in Samna under the caption’ Hindunni Akramak Vhayala Have’, (Hindus should become aggressive now) openly inciting Hindus to violence.” (Volume 1 page 13) On 4th January 1993 a big mob of Hindus led by Sheri Gajanana Kirtikar, Shri Ramesh More and other Shiva Sena activists took a Morcha to the Jogeshwari police station complaining of lack of security for Hindus. Some of the people in the morcha attacked Chacha Nagar Masjid and the Muslims in the vicinity and injured them. Several Muslim huts in Magdum Nagar in Mahim jurisdiction were set on fire by the Hindus.” (Volume 1 page 13-14)

Gujarat: Citizens Tribunal Report

Godhra, Gujarat and Akhshardham have been the major blots on our democratic ethos in post Independence India. In the din of the tragedies which gripped Gujarat for over a period of ten months, different versions were floating about “who did it?’ The state leadership had one version, while the events themselves were either difficult to decipher on the face value or were indicating the cause of the carnage in some other direction. It is at this point that Concerned Citizens Tribunal was conceived and most outstanding legal brains of the stature of Justices V.K. Krishna Iyer, PB Sawant, Hosbet Suresh, Adv. K.G. Kannabiran, and serious sociologists, Prof. Ghanshyam Shah, Prof. Tanika Sarkar and social workers, Aruna Roy formed this tribunal.

The task was mammoth, the need for knowing the truth paramount and that’s what prompted the tribunal members not only to examine 2094 oral and written testimonies, (both individual and collective), from the victim-survivor and Human rights groups involved in relief and rehabilitation. It also examined volumes of relevant material and all this is put together in two volumes, Crimes against Humanity, which in a way is a landmark investigation in situations like these, where vested interests not only try to hide the truth but also to distort the same.

The findings of the tribunal at one level are close to what many a leading Human Rights activists and scholars were suspecting. The immaculate method of investigation leaves no doubt about the high merit of the report. Its findings point to the complicity of state leadership in the whole tragedy. The tribunal in all its fairness wanted to hear the version of state Govt., Central Govt. and many an individual ministers, who did not respond, while few of them did meet the tribunal and opened their heart. This two-volume report gives interim findings also recommendations about relief, rehabilitation and punishing the guilt. But the list of those named by the witnesses is so large that it is practically a ‘who is who’ of Gujarat political and administrative machinery.

The central point of Godhra, which was made the pretext for the riots, the revenge theory and all that, comes out very clearly in the report. The tribunal concludes that Godhara incident does not seem to be pre-planned. Neither is there a proof of ‘foreign hand’, which was propagated with confidence. Tribunals’ tentative conclusion that the fire was lit from inside and not outside will force us to review the whole, action-reaction thesis, which in a way was used to give legitimacy to state inaction in the face of one of the most severe riots in independent India.

Why was the state political leadership so eager to jump at make believe conclusions, and what might have been the deeper design behind the whole carnage becomes slightly more clear after going through the twin volumes. The tribunal also makes it public that witnesses deposing before the tribunal informed it about the meeting called by the chief minister in which instructions were given not to take action against the ‘Hindu reaction’ to Godhra. This speaks volumes about the real mechanics of the whole tragedy of marathon proportions. Most of the significant part is put in the annexure.

Bannerjee Commission on Godhra train burning

After two and a half years after the tragic incident, Justice U.C. Bannerjee came out with the truth of Godhra. According to the report of this commission, this tragedy was a mere accident and was not a preplanned one as claimed by Narendra Modi and the RSS and its progeny. During the NDA regime, dictated by the RSS combine, the mandatory commission to inquire this major accident was not appointed. The report focuses on the core point of the conspiracy theory. Putting in 140 litres of petrol from outside to burn kar sevaks holds no water for the following reasons. One, every conspiracy requires precise timing. The Sabaramati Express was running late and no one knew this. Accidents are more likely in uncertain schedules. Two, that the outside conspirators pulled the chain is impossible as the chain was pulled for the second time, probably by kar sevaks, as some of them had been left behind. Three, that the vestibule next to S-6 was cut open is impossible to believe as the train stopped for a mere five minutes. Four, that 140 litres of petrol was poured from outside is impossible to believe. The forensic lab report has confirmed that petrol could not have been poured from outside. The absence of traces of hydrocarbons debunks this theory yet again. The pouring of petrol in such huge quantity would result in massive fire in which most of the coach passengers would have died. The type of injuries suffered by the victims belies this theory yet again. The injuries found mostly superficial burns in the upper part of the body while a petrol conflagration would result in severe burn injuries in lower parts of the body. Five, it is known that the kar sewaks had picked up a tiff with the hawkers and also tried to molest a girl. This could have led to the stone throwing from the outside.


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What you have told me is about some caste system where "sanghi" is lower than a "Kafir".

Did I get it right ?

And this is as per the quran ?
Can you read all the posts again with someone's help? :-)
 
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Your land because of religion? You must be retarded. The natives are native regardless of what religion or political opinion they hold. It is not your land, it is the land of the people living there for ages.

He come with other logic bro before Islam/Muslims India was land of Hindus and Buddhism so do you have a answer for this bro
 
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A somewhat informative article about RSS and its methodologies.

Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh - RSS is the major organization influencing the politics and other aspects of our society from last nearly three decades. As such it has the agenda of Hindu Rasthra, and it politics is called Hindutva, which is the politics based on elite, Brahminical Hindu values. While the dominance of Hindutva poltics is self evident what is less known is that it is the outcome of over nine decades of continuous work on the part of RSS, “What is not so obvious is the institutional groundwork that supports this movement; its long historical roots, the precise meaning and implications of its objectives. The frequent represenatations of Hindutva as a spontaneous mass movement in search of Hindu identity naturalises and suppresses a whole history of meticulously organized efforts towards Hindu Rashtra.” (Basu, KSSF, page 1) The foundations of RSS were laid in Nagpur district of Vidarbha region of the then CP and Berar province. Five Chittapavan Brahmins were the main persons who brought this about and Dr. Keshav Baliram Hedgewar became the first Sar sangh Chalak (Supreme Dictator) of the organization. Its activities were restricted to Nagpur area n the beginning, later it spread in many parts of North India in Particular.

Background of Formation of RSS

During colonial period due to social changes, industrialization, modern education and judicial system, new social classes coming up, Industrialists, businessmen, workers and modern educated classes. These classes threw up many organizations which got crystallized in to Indian National Congress, Satyashodhak samaj of Joti Rao Phule, later Ambedkar came up with Bahishkrit Hitkarini sabha and Narayan Meghaji Lokhade and Singarvelu laid the foundation for workers unions. These were from the rising classes of society. The old ruling classes, the landlords, jamindars, Rajas and Nawabs also threw up organizations which in due course culminated in formation of Muslim League on one side and Hindu Mahasabah on the other. These organizations were later joined in by many middle, upper class edcuted and other elite also.

RSS came up in the decades of 1920s as in this decade many a social changes were taking place, changes which were disturbing the status quo of landlordism, caste and gender equations. The backdrop of social changes of workers coming up in cities, dalits getting education and women’s education and women’s entry into social space began.
RSS was founded in the backdrop which needs to be understood. With the entry of Mahatma Gandhi into the political arena, the dynamics of the anti-British movement got tremendously galvanized. He converted the anti British movement into a mass movement, with people of all religions, castes and creed joining in the movement with great enthusiasm. The Brahminical and elite domination in the Congress started declining. At this time the upper castes, and the Brahmins, supported by Jamindari elements and bania’s, in order to reassert their hegemony on the social political and social scene came up with the idea of a Religion based National organization, the RSS.
Ideologically before formation of RSS ‘Savarkar put forward the idea of ‘Hindutva as the basis for politics, which stood for Nationalism based on Hinduism.’ (Puniyani, 2000, 51) Savarkar put forward the notion of Hindutva as total hinduness based on Aryan Race, Land from Sindhu river to seas, and Brahmanical culture. He posited that there are tow nation here the Hindu nation and the Muslim nation.

RSS took this further to organize the young boys dedicated to the cause of Hindu nation through the politics of Hindutva. At that time (1920s) the Non-Brahman movement was peaking itself and was threatening to shake the very social power of Jamindar-Brahmin nexus. At international level the race based Nationalism of Nazis (Germany) and Fascists (Italy) was on the ascendance. This was the main inspiration for the ideas ‘Nationalism’ of RSS. Later the second Sarsanghchalka of RSS was to articulate it very bluntly, "German National pride has now become the topic of the day. To keep up the purity of the nation and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races-the Jews. National pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown to the world how well nigh impossible it is for races and cultures having differences going to the roots to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in India to learn and profit by." (Golwalkar, 1938, 27)

Marzia Casolari, an Italian researcher who has done work on roots of Hindu Nationalism concludes that "(a) the main historical organisations and leaders of Hindu Nationalism had a distinctive and sustained interest in fascism and nazism; (b) fascist ideological influences on Hindu Nationalism were present and relevant; (c) to a certain extent, these influences were channelled through direct contacts between Hindu nationalists and members of the Italian fascist state."(Casolari, 2000, 37) RSS decided to keep aloof from day to day to day political struggles and began to train the young boys into the doctrine of Hindu Rashtra. As per this core ideology of RSS "Hindus and Hindus alone, constitute the Indian Nation, since they are the original inhabitants and sole creators of its society and culture. Hinduism is uniquely catholic and tolerant and hence superior to other faiths, ….The subsequent entry and takeover by foreigners created an illusion that India was a land of many different and equal cultures….Only a ’truly secular’ Hindu Rashtra will afford protection to non- Hindus."(Basu, 1993, 37)

RSS Shakha: Indoctrination

This organization decided to keep aloof from the direct political intervention in the society and focused on building cadres in the ideology of Hindu nationalism. It started the building of organization through Shakhas. In shakhas to attract the young boys, they started Indian games. With this they added on Shakha Bauddhik, the intellectual sessions to indoctrinate the young minds into the ideology of Hindu nation. Its training module was based on glorious Hindu past which has been spoiled by the Muslim aggressors. As per their indoctrination module Hindus alone constitute this nation since they are in possession of this land from times immemorial. Hindus in their presentation is tolerant. “ But its tolerance has often been mistaken as weakness. The Hindu nation has been repeatedly conquered by aliens, particularly Muslims and then the Christian British, and must acquire strength through RSS sangathan to counter the present and future threats.” (Basu, page 37)

Through this indoctrination the ‘Hate against Muslims’ is created by narrating stories against Muslim kings in particular. The shakha bauddhiks tell the stories of evil Muslim kings versus glorious Hindu kings. The theme percolated through young minds is that this is a Hindu nation, Hinduism is a great and tolerant religion. The Muslims came here and tried to convert through force due to which communities became unequal and Islam was spread through sword. The selective examples of Muslim and Hindu kings battles are presented as battles between Muslims and Hindus. Some Muslim Kings have been picked up to present the whole Muslim period of Indian History. In this Mahmood Gazni as destroyer of Somnath, Mohammad Ghori who betrayed Prithviraj Chowhan find and important place. From Moghul dynasty Babur is singled out for destroying Ram Temple in Ayodhya. Auragnzeb is accused of spreading Islam by sword and also by imposing Jijia. In addition the destruction of Vishwanath temple in Banaras is taken up as the example of How Muslims insulted Hindu religion.

The stories of battles of Akbar and Rana Pratap, Shivaji and Afzal Khan, Shivaji and Aurangzeb are presented in the form of stories to spread Hate against Muslims and then in turn against Muslims of today. These stories are the staple diet of Shakha Bauddhiks and told with lots of twists to show Muslim kings in a bad light. The same type of interpretation of History is disseminated through the chain of Shishu Mandir Schools and Ekal Vidylayas, which are being managed by RSS organizations. RSS has set up many an organizations in the field of education which are coming up with books with communal slant, and many schools in different states are picking these up as a part of the school curriculum. The word of mouth propaganda of the vast network of RSS volunteers is by now part of the social common understanding about the history.
At another level the Shakha baudhhiks also propagate the greatness of Hindu holy scriptures like Manu Smiriti, while the epics like Ramayan and Mahabharat are presented as the part of ancient history. This pattern has created the Hate for Muslims in India. To begin with there also was the Muslim communal historiography, which looked down upon the Hindu kings as the one’s being subordinate to Muslims, and that it was Muslims who have been the rulers. The conflicting interpretations by now are the deeper part of social thinking of majority of society. The have laid foundation of Hate against Muslim community.

Communal Violence

Hate has in turn been the foundation due to which communal violence has been orchestrated in the society. While in pre-partition India the violence was orchestrated around beef in temple, pork in mosque, the killing of cow, the rumours of rape and molestation of the woman from ‘our’ community by those from other community, taking of musical processions in front of the mosque, in religious processions among others. The British police was fairly objective and neutral in dealing with the violence.

Post partition the first major riot

Who starts the riots : Teesta Setalvad (Who Casts the First Stone, Communalism Combat, March 98) by citing the extracts from five commissions of inquiry shows the truth behind the start of communal riots.

Ahmedabad 1969 : "There was deliberate attempt to suppress the truth from the commission especially the active participation in riots of some RSS and Jan Sangh leaders" (Jana Sangh is the previous political avatar of present of BJP) (from Justice Jagmohan Reddy Commission).

Bhiwandi, Jalagaon 1970 : "In his report to his superior the SP, Thane district has stated, "I found that a section of Hindu elements, particularly RSS and some PSP men, were bent upon creating mischief. Their idea in accompanying the procession was not so much to pay respect to the Great Shivaji but to establish their right and, if possible, to provoke and humiliate Muslims.

The villagers shouted provocative anti-Muslim slogans, behaved aggressively, threw on the Moti Masjid at Bangad galli Hyderi mosque situated at the junction of Dargarch Road and Sutar Alli aided by passive police." (Justice D.P. Madon Commission).

Tellichery 1971 : "In Tellichery Hindus and Muslims were living as brothers for centuries... It was only after RSS and the Jana Sangh set up their units and began activities in Tellicherry that there came a change in situation. Their anti-Muslim propaganda, its reaction on the Muslims who rallied around their communal organisation, the Muslims league.... the communal tension that followed prepared the background for these disturbances".
(Report of Justice Joseph Vithyathil (Commission)

Jamshedpur 1979: From Report of Commission of Inquiry : "In the run up to the communal build up before the elections prepared by the Intelligence branch, Jamshedpur (March 23, 79) there was a special mention made to the divisional conference of the RSS scheduled to be held on March 31 and April 1, in which among others RSS Sarsangh chalak was to participate.

The dispute on the route of the procession became sharp and agitated reactions from a group of persons who called themselves Samyukta Bajarang Bali Akhara Samiti, who systematically distributed pamphlets to heighten communal feeling and had organisational links with the RSS. A call for defiance of authority and administration when it refused permission for one of the routes led to violent mob protesting and raising anti-Muslim slogans. Thereafter incendiary leaflets doing rounds of Jamshedpur (issued on behalf of Sri Ramnavmi Kendriya Akhara Samiti), that is nothing short of an attempt to rouse the sentiments of Hindus to a high pitch to distort events and show some actions as attacks on Hindus that appear to be part of a design".

Kanyakumari Riots (1982): Justice Venugopal Commission :

RSS methodology for provoking communal violence is:

Rousing communal feelings in the majority community by propaganda that Christians are not loyal citizens of this country.
deepening the fear in the majority community by a clever propaganda that the population of minorities is increasing and that of Hindus is decreasing.
training young people of the majority community in the use of weapons like daggers, swords, spears; spreading rumours to widen the communal cleavage and deepen communal feelings by giving a communal colour to trivial incident.

Srikrishna Commission Report: Extracts: “the irresponsible act of Hindutva Parties in celebrating and gloating over the demolition of Babri structure was like twisting a knife in the wound and heightened the anguished ire of the Muslims. The celebration rally organised by Shiv Sena in Dharavi jurisdiction is an example” it further continues, “ The Muslims protested, and protested angrily on the streets. Large number of Muslims congregated near Minara Masjid in Pydhonie jurisdiction at about 2320 hours on 6th December 1992 and came out protesting. Even at this stage, if the mobs had been handled tactfully and with sensitivity and by accepted leaders of both communities, the protest would have been peacefully blown over.” But according to the commission, “the police mishandled the situation and by their aggressive posture turned peaceful protests into violent demonstration during which the first targets of the anger of the mob became the municipal van and the constabulary, both visible signs of establishment.” Justice Srikrishna further observes in his report, "it is significant that the mobs were not armed, not even with stones and sticks, though they were just angry and wanting to vent their spleen against anyone in authority. The situation was misdiagnosed, mishandled and turned messier.”(vol 1 Pg 4)

"The Maha Artis were started from 26th December 1992 and kept adding to the communal tension and endangering the fragile peace which had been established. Some (were used to deliver) communally inciting speeches and the crowds dispersing from (them) indulged in damage, looting and arson of Muslim establishments in the vicinity.” (Volume 1,page 13) On 1st January 1993 there was an article in Samna under the caption’ Hindunni Akramak Vhayala Have’, (Hindus should become aggressive now) openly inciting Hindus to violence.” (Volume 1 page 13) On 4th January 1993 a big mob of Hindus led by Sheri Gajanana Kirtikar, Shri Ramesh More and other Shiva Sena activists took a Morcha to the Jogeshwari police station complaining of lack of security for Hindus. Some of the people in the morcha attacked Chacha Nagar Masjid and the Muslims in the vicinity and injured them. Several Muslim huts in Magdum Nagar in Mahim jurisdiction were set on fire by the Hindus.” (Volume 1 page 13-14)

Gujarat: Citizens Tribunal Report

Godhra, Gujarat and Akhshardham have been the major blots on our democratic ethos in post Independence India. In the din of the tragedies which gripped Gujarat for over a period of ten months, different versions were floating about “who did it?’ The state leadership had one version, while the events themselves were either difficult to decipher on the face value or were indicating the cause of the carnage in some other direction. It is at this point that Concerned Citizens Tribunal was conceived and most outstanding legal brains of the stature of Justices V.K. Krishna Iyer, PB Sawant, Hosbet Suresh, Adv. K.G. Kannabiran, and serious sociologists, Prof. Ghanshyam Shah, Prof. Tanika Sarkar and social workers, Aruna Roy formed this tribunal.

The task was mammoth, the need for knowing the truth paramount and that’s what prompted the tribunal members not only to examine 2094 oral and written testimonies, (both individual and collective), from the victim-survivor and Human rights groups involved in relief and rehabilitation. It also examined volumes of relevant material and all this is put together in two volumes, Crimes against Humanity, which in a way is a landmark investigation in situations like these, where vested interests not only try to hide the truth but also to distort the same.

The findings of the tribunal at one level are close to what many a leading Human Rights activists and scholars were suspecting. The immaculate method of investigation leaves no doubt about the high merit of the report. Its findings point to the complicity of state leadership in the whole tragedy. The tribunal in all its fairness wanted to hear the version of state Govt., Central Govt. and many an individual ministers, who did not respond, while few of them did meet the tribunal and opened their heart. This two-volume report gives interim findings also recommendations about relief, rehabilitation and punishing the guilt. But the list of those named by the witnesses is so large that it is practically a ‘who is who’ of Gujarat political and administrative machinery.

The central point of Godhra, which was made the pretext for the riots, the revenge theory and all that, comes out very clearly in the report. The tribunal concludes that Godhara incident does not seem to be pre-planned. Neither is there a proof of ‘foreign hand’, which was propagated with confidence. Tribunals’ tentative conclusion that the fire was lit from inside and not outside will force us to review the whole, action-reaction thesis, which in a way was used to give legitimacy to state inaction in the face of one of the most severe riots in independent India.

Why was the state political leadership so eager to jump at make believe conclusions, and what might have been the deeper design behind the whole carnage becomes slightly more clear after going through the twin volumes. The tribunal also makes it public that witnesses deposing before the tribunal informed it about the meeting called by the chief minister in which instructions were given not to take action against the ‘Hindu reaction’ to Godhra. This speaks volumes about the real mechanics of the whole tragedy of marathon proportions. Most of the significant part is put in the annexure.

Bannerjee Commission on Godhra train burning

After two and a half years after the tragic incident, Justice U.C. Bannerjee came out with the truth of Godhra. According to the report of this commission, this tragedy was a mere accident and was not a preplanned one as claimed by Narendra Modi and the RSS and its progeny. During the NDA regime, dictated by the RSS combine, the mandatory commission to inquire this major accident was not appointed. The report focuses on the core point of the conspiracy theory. Putting in 140 litres of petrol from outside to burn kar sevaks holds no water for the following reasons. One, every conspiracy requires precise timing. The Sabaramati Express was running late and no one knew this. Accidents are more likely in uncertain schedules. Two, that the outside conspirators pulled the chain is impossible as the chain was pulled for the second time, probably by kar sevaks, as some of them had been left behind. Three, that the vestibule next to S-6 was cut open is impossible to believe as the train stopped for a mere five minutes. Four, that 140 litres of petrol was poured from outside is impossible to believe. The forensic lab report has confirmed that petrol could not have been poured from outside. The absence of traces of hydrocarbons debunks this theory yet again. The pouring of petrol in such huge quantity would result in massive fire in which most of the coach passengers would have died. The type of injuries suffered by the victims belies this theory yet again. The injuries found mostly superficial burns in the upper part of the body while a petrol conflagration would result in severe burn injuries in lower parts of the body. Five, it is known that the kar sewaks had picked up a tiff with the hawkers and also tried to molest a girl. This could have led to the stone throwing from the outside.


http://sacw.net/article14091.html

I have read this article before.

Thanks for sharing again. That's why Sanghis are a curse on mankind.
 
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He come with other logic bro before Islam/Muslims India was land of Hindus and Buddhism so do you have a answer for this bro
His logic is flawed and based on false premise, an answer is not required.

If majority of the native English people in UK decide to become Hindus, would it give christians of other country the right to their land because at some point UK was Christian country? No.
 
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Must be a bitter pill for Pakistanis to swallow. The truth I meant
don't become like Tarek Fatah, the most disturbing example. All Pakistani here, we have the same thinking and floating in the same nationhood boat please remove your pakistani flag to identify yourself that you are not among us.
 
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How you say to be so certain about it happening cause I am yet to cross any? Why you are saying pious ones don't subscribe to their belief? And what believes are you talking about? There may be some minor difference but major things remain same in all.
Bhai, I'm really drained by this Hindu-Muslim nonsense.

kya bakwas laga rakhi hai BC ??

stfu already man

I have faith in India, we are going to be fine.

TV dekhna band kro !
 
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Bhai, I'm really drained by this Hindu-Muslim nonsense.

kya bakwas laga rakhi hai BC ??

stfu already man

I have faith in India, we are going to be fine.

TV dekhna band kro !
Sir you made one claim I am just asking about the basis of it. There may be some merit to your argument too cause I too don't know all things and I can be wrong in many aspect.
 
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He did nothing other than deflect and dissemble.

Made nothing but a passing reference to the discrimination and bigotry against minorities in India.

His argument is basically, 'if X does Y over there, we are also fine doing Y over here'.

These kinds of 'shut up calls' are fine from our perspective though. More and more Indians, especially high level government officials, should be making these exact same arguments. Don't shy away from them. Have Modi call the Arab rulers and say this to them directly in fact.

Embrace your views & declare them loud and proud to the rest of the world!


Jinnah had warned Gandhi not to mix religion with politics during Khilafat Movement
The dark volcanic forces Gandhi uncovered changed the course of history

And now the Hindutva genie is out of the bottle, no one can put it back
This will have immeasurable consequences for the Indian nation, and its effects will spill across borders.

India is about to collapse from within under its own weight and it will probably leave behind the greatest tragedy of the 21st century in terms of human loss
 
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