Indian IT companies like HCL Technologies, TCS pounce on HP deals

[shree835]

Well if you've ever purchased HP servers you know they come with a three year AMC deal.

Big companies in Pakistan just buy HP servers as they come with the three year AMC, then buy new servers at the end of three years as any further AMC cost is not required. Can Indian companies match this deal?

Effectively we get to buy a new server in the same cost we would have wasted on extra AMC. Old servers can be shifted to VM clusters for smaller applications.

and this is Pakistan, I'm sure the big companies in the US are even more aggressive about their technology and a lot more cost minded.

Your statement says that you know nothing about IT sector; I can clearly say that servers cannot be replaced within 3 year, not sure about low end version. There are lots of if and but….I was working with HP (3 Years) and presently working with IBM as an IT professional from past 6 year…It will be helpful for me If you can explain your statement.

HP servers are great bang for buck. If I was an IT manager, I'd never go lower than an HP server though, maybe go for IBM instead. Even more expensive but super stable.

Seriously you need to work on your knowledge level of servers.

 

[curioususer]

*yawn*.....fast forward a few years..

*headline* Indian firm makes aggressive bid on ailing HP

Few weeks later,

*headline* HP's new owners say: "Will continue to bolster domestic markets"

Few months later,

*headline* HP cuts jobs , Relocates HQ to India.



*stormfront thread*

INDIANS STEAL OUR JOBZ

HP is a very good company which makes excellent products, I think it'll never come to what you've said.

 

[Mech]

HP is a very good company which makes excellent products, I think it'll never come to what you've said.

Hey , there's no tax levy for dreaming

 

[Azazel]

Indian IT companies like HCL Technologies, TCS pounce on HP deals - The Economic Times


BANGALORE: In the wild, it is a common strategy for the predator to single out the weakest prey and chase it down for a kill. In the cut-throat market for outsourcing deals, too, it works much the same way, and a wounded Hewlett-Packard is fair game for Indian software companies desperate to win new contracts. "Indian outsourcing companies are aggressively attacking HP, which is a very vulnerable target right now," said Peter Bendor-Samuel, founder and CEO at Everest Group, a Texas-based outsourcing advisory and market research firm.

HP, sitting on plum contracts with the likes of American Express and Bank of America, is vulnerable as these deals worth billions of dollars are coming up for renewal. About $100 billion (Rs 5.4 lakh crore) worth of IT outsourcing deals will expire in 2013, the Everest Group estimates, with 15% of it being with HP. PC maker HP entered IT services with its 2008 buy of EDS for $14 billion, but successive leadership changes in 2010-11, took a toll on investor confidence.
HP, whose shares have fallen 60% since early 2010, recently wrote down about $8 billion in the value of its services business and is cutting about 29,000 jobs, raising a red flag for clients. Bangalore based MphasiSBSE -0.47 %, earlier an EDS company, is now part of HP. While every outsourcer in the top tier is competing hard for HP's clients, the most aggressive and successful ones are HCL TechnologiesBSE 0.42 % and Tata Consultancy ServicesBSE 2.07 %, observers said.

So while the success rate for Indian companies in the renewal market is around 30%, TCSBSE 2.07 % and HCL Technologies are winning 60% of the renewals involving HP clients. While the companies declined to comment for this story, those familiar with their functioning said the sales teams are systematically chasing and winning clients from HP.

"Large clients working with HP for last the 5-7 years are seeing relationship fatigue and are ready to work with new vendors," said a senior industry executive, requesting anonymity. "What we are promising instead is more value with lower price, transparency in delivery and flexibility." The fate of HP, which Chief Executive Meg Whitman is looking to rebuild, is neither new nor unique.

How ironic,Back in the days HCL used to run ventures with Hewlett Packard.If it wasn't for that joint venture HCL would've never been such a successful company.

 

[priti]

We pay 720000 per annum for a fresh grad. You need to be good though!

wow thats a lot.. we got only 3.5 L on campus.
but i got to travel overseas within 1 year.. and on conrfimation in a few months i am expecting 6 L to 8L in India, but I am trying for an overseas project. If its US its 60000 USD.

are you in an indian IT firm or MNC firm

*yawn*.....fast forward a few years..

*headline* Indian firm makes aggressive bid on ailing HP

Few weeks later,

*headline* HP's new owners say: "Will continue to bolster domestic markets"

Few months later,

*headline* HP cuts jobs , Relocates HQ to India.



*stormfront thread*

INDIANS STEAL OUR JOBZ

priti is the CEO of new company

 

[Arav_Rana]

Pfft, you obviously are lying or its your 1st year on the job. IT is no fun, and no big $$. Yes the 'trips' might be there...

nothing like this. After my grad. I am going in networking field ( cisco cert.). And here any r&s ccie gets 10 lac+ per year (Indian rupee) in starting. I know some people who are getting 25+lac ( around 5 year exp ).
1 more ex my friend' bro(manipal uni passout, java based developer) is getting 18k+ $ ( per month) in U.S.
Many NIT uni student get placement of average of above 7-9 lac per year.
Overall it's depend upon university name, skill plus exp.
Even if a guy is above average with 2-3 year ex. He can get 6-7 lac per year easily.
In India this is pretty well salary for fresher or people who have some exp. ( note i didn't count the top inst. Who offers huge salary).

And about fun. Well its depend on person :-D

 

[Awesome]

nothing like this. After my grad. I am going in networking field ( cisco cert.). And here any r&s ccie gets 10 lac+ per year (Indian rupee) in starting. I know some people who are getting 25+lac ( around 5 year exp ).
1 more ex my friend' bro(manipal uni passout, java based developer) is getting 18k+ $ ( per month) in U.S.
Many NIT uni student get placement of average of above 7-9 lac per year.
Overall it's depend upon university name, skill plus exp.
Even if a guy is above average with 2-3 year ex. He can get 6-7 lac per year easily.
In India this is pretty well salary for fresher or people who have some exp. ( note i didn't count the top inst. Who offers huge salary).

And about fun. Well its depend on person :-D

You're saying like abhi jaoonga, CCIE karoonga, and tadaaaaa.

What is you current level of CISCO certification? It is a typical young IT guy mistake that I'd do these these these certifications and I'll be the bomb. No worries I did the same. At the start of my career, I went ahead and did CISA, PMP, CISM... Just because all the seniors were doing it. They all flunked and I passed.

Those certifications didn't help me at all. Everything came through its time and through experience and by making mistakes and learning from them.

 

[Awesome]

Your statement says that you know nothing about IT sector; I can clearly say that servers cannot be replaced within 3 year, not sure about low end version. There are lots of if and but….I was working with HP (3 Years) and presently working with IBM as an IT professional from past 6 year…It will be helpful for me If you can explain your statement.

I told you what is happening in PRACTICE, not my own philosophy, not my call, but this what people I work with have decided to do.

They aren't low end (not super high end). If you really worked with HP you'd be surprised to know DL580s are being replaced every three years!


Here's the work out:

DL580 typically would cost around AED 30-50K - depends on configuration. AMCs would cost 10,000 bucks a year, depending on service levels... Right so far?

In your three years of working with HP you did learn that they give 3 years support with every server - right? Out of the box Right?

These companies who are moving server to server are in no mood to spend extra on AMCs and utilize the HP 3 year support when needed and when it runs out, throw it to the backburner and buy another one since you saved cash.

Seriously you need to work on your knowledge level of servers.

Why don't you enlighten us for a change? If you worked 3 years in HR of HP, please don't compare it with my 10 years of core IT experience.

 

[shree835]

I told you what is happening in PRACTICE, not my own philosophy, not my call, but this what people I work with have decided to do.

They aren't low end (not super high end). If you really worked with HP you'd be surprised to know DL580s are being replaced every three years!


Here's the work out:

DL580 typically would cost around AED 30-50K - depends on configuration. AMCs would cost 10,000 bucks a year, depending on service levels... Right so far?

In your three years of working with HP you did learn that they give 3 years support with every server - right? Out of the box Right?

These companies who are moving server to server are in no mood to spend extra on AMCs and utilize the HP 3 year support when needed and when it runs out, throw it to the backburner and buy another one since you saved cash.


Why don't you enlighten us for a change? If you worked 3 years in HR of HP, please don't compare it with my 10 years of core IT experience.

Let me introduce myself I am an IBMer working as a UNIX SME (Subject Matter Expert)… As an Engineer having experience of 12+ years… Working on pSeries, xSeries and Solaris servers…These are called high end servers… Do u know if you have to bring one server into production, what it takes…?... What all process needs to be followed?

Kiddo , changing server in every 3 year is not a joke… You can do it with Simple boxes.

First you need to understand what is server and how it works….?... Someone says something to you and you started jumping that is not the case.

 

[Arav_Rana]

You're saying like abhi jaoonga, CCIE karoonga, and tadaaaaa.

What is you current level of CISCO certification? It is a typical young IT guy mistake that I'd do these these these certifications and I'll be the bomb. No worries I did the same. At the start of my career, I went ahead and did CISA, PMP, CISM... Just because all the seniors were doing it. They all flunked and I passed.

Those certifications didn't help me at all. Everything came through its time and through experience and by making mistakes and learning from them.

hahaha, no aisa nai hai. I do not have superman feelings. I am preparing for ccie from last 18 months. I am ccna certified and ccie security lab failed( score was 77) :-D.
I have interest in r&s also, my b.tech grad. ll complete in 2014. So i have enough time to give lab exam again.

Your point that people think that they ll do this this and ll became bomb is right. But problem with these people is that they do cert. Without interest. Getting knowledge is very important. If you have knowledge then you are a real bomb

 

[Shivani Malhotra]

We pay 720000 per annum for a fresh grad. You need to be good though!

Which Company ? I got 30 K only five yrs back

Let me introduce myself I am an IBMer working as a UNIX SME (Subject Matter Expert)… As an Engineer having experience of 12+ years… Working on pSeries, xSeries and Solaris servers…These are called high end servers… Do u know if you have to bring one server into production, what it takes…?... What all process needs to be followed?

Kiddo , changing server in every 3 year is not a joke… You can do it with Simple boxes.

First you need to understand what is server and how it works….?... Someone says something to you and you started jumping that is not the case.

I have worked with IBM too, ex IBMer. Manyata Embassy and that is very true that no one change hardware in 3 yrs (server hardware). Companies usually go for care pack

 

[danger007]

wow thats a lot.. we got only 3.5 L on campus.
but i got to travel overseas within 1 year.. and on conrfimation in a few months i am expecting 6 L to 8L in India, but I am trying for an overseas project. If its US its 60000 USD.

are you in an indian IT firm or MNC firm


priti is the CEO of new company

I draw 5.5 pack in first year.....worked for 3 years... but i get back to my core stream.... Completed masters.... planning for Ph.d on maglev..... so i resigned... SW...

 

[Kaniska]

Well if you've ever purchased HP servers you know they come with a three year AMC deal.

Big companies in Pakistan just buy HP servers as they come with the three year AMC, then buy new servers at the end of three years as any further AMC cost is not required. Can Indian companies match this deal?

Effectively we get to buy a new server in the same cost we would have wasted on extra AMC. Old servers can be shifted to VM clusters for smaller applications.

and this is Pakistan, I'm sure the big companies in the US are even more aggressive about their technology and a lot more cost minded.

Dude..you may be right...But the deal what they are talking about is not about HP servers...They are talking about HP project deal that would expire and ready for renewal...

 

[indiatester]

wow thats a lot.. we got only 3.5 L on campus.
but i got to travel overseas within 1 year.. and on conrfimation in a few months i am expecting 6 L to 8L in India, but I am trying for an overseas project. If its US its 60000 USD.

are you in an indian IT firm or MNC firm

You won't get much of travel with our company though. MNC.
The salaries tend to normalise 8-10 years later. What you miss in salary with Indian companies, you make up for it with the foreign assignments. If you are enjoying your job, and learning, you are at the right place!

Which Company ? I got 30 K only five yrs back

Five years is a long time back.

 

[Mech]

@Awesome

Hey man.....you should have considered a bit before jumping right in. Personally, being a mechanical engineer, i have no clue about IT....but you should have realized that bulk of Indians lashing it out on pdf are the proverbial "IT guys". They come in many shapes and sizes.....with varying amount of experience and expertise attached to their belt.

This dojo is not for you