Indian high cast students refuse to eat food cooked by low cast Hindus

[Kavin]

At least we dont have penal code..

"Use of derogatory remarks, etc., in respect of the Brahimins. Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation, or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of Brahimins shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine."

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[S.M.R]

My experiences with Indian Communists showed me that their words and actions don't necessarily match.They are vociferous against caste system, but marry off their children to the same caste.

Muslims don't have caste system, but they practice class system- Sunni/Shia, Family Background, Rich/Poor etc.

Sunni eat with shias and vice versa, poors cook food for rich people. But indian caste system is entirely different.

 

[S.M.R]

We should encourage Dalits to convert to Buddhism, The fundamental principles of Hinduism and Buddhism are identical, conversion will help in cleaning up Hinduism.

What a good idea, to reduce poverty kill the poors? What about converting high caste people to low caste?

Win win situation

 

[S.M.R]

At least we dont have penal code..

"Use of derogatory remarks, etc., in respect of the Brahimins. Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation, or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of Brahimins shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine."

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Since u dont have penal code still low caste 166 million people face punishment
in their daily lives. Since you know much about ppc, are u aware of the statistics that how many people got punishment by that pc?

 

[Aramsogo]

We should encourage Dalits to convert to Buddhism, The fundamental principles of Hinduism and Buddhism are identical, conversion will help in cleaning up Hinduism.

Aren't people being attacked for converting to Buddhism??

 

[great]

peoples outside India shake their heads and wonder,"why did anyone come up with such a bad idea as the caste system? It is interesting to note that it was Muhatma Gandhi who apparently said one could tell a country by the way it treats its animals. In the country of his birth, India, a cow is sacred while legions of Indians human beings still live in culturally-endorsed slavery to this day

Caste system when first conceived is not the caste system you see it today. It was more in the likes of meritocracy. In Manusmriti, it was written that every person will be born as 'shudhra'. It was only through one's character/ passion one would elevate himself to higher castes. Even in Bhagavatgita, when Lord vishnu attributes various parts of the body to various varnas/castes like head to brahmans, shoulders to kshatriyas, legs to shudhras etc. I don't think it was to be taken literally as the masses do today. It was meant to explain that each and every person has his own place for the entire system to work.

With every religion, even though a concept is conceived in a good will, the masses seems to turn it into something inherently bad. In this case upper caste people took advantage of their stature to keep others lowly and undignified. Same could be said about Islam too. You don't think 'Jihad' is meant in the present form it is seen today, do you?

 

[great]

Aren't people being attacked for converting to Buddhism??

When and where?

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Aren't people being attacked for converting to Buddhism??

I didn't find a single report on that, if find any do share.

 

[great]

What is " Dharma" and " Karma" then? Hinduism is actually called 'Sanatana Dharma' which literally meaning 'Eternal duty' of the individual and all castes have different duties for example BRAHMINS( the scholars, Mullah, thinkers and teachers etc) , KSHATRIYAS (the fighter / soldier class), VAISHYA( the merchant, trader and businessmen class) ,SHUDRAS (these were the peasant and servant class whose duty was to serve peoples from upper class)

Please don't come up with your interpretation here. Dharma is set of moral rules meant for individuals to follow regardless of caste. Karma determines your fate either in this life or in the next. In Hinduism people could be born as animals in the next life. How would you attribute a caste to them? Like I said caste system is a human fallacy. It wasn't written in scriptures. If it were so, Hinduism wouldn't last for so long it did. Caste wasn't to be attributed at birth. Any person with reasonable knowledge on Hinduism this is self relevant.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

It was meant to explain that each and every person has his own place for the entire system to work.
With every religion, even though a concept is conceived in a good will, the masses seems to turn it into something inherently bad. In this case upper caste people took advantage of their stature to keep others lowly and undignified. Same could be said about Islam too. You don't think 'Jihad' is meant in the present form it is seen today, do you?

I think the word 'caste' needs to be removed altogether from the psyche of people and i have seen that even inter-caste marriages are big no in Indian society. I agree actions of peoples should decide their status and it should not be that if you born in dalit family then you will be consider dalit no matter if you are more talented than son of Brahman. I mean peoples should earn their rank, position , honour, status with their actions and and they should not be born with honour/higher ranks and it should be freedom for dalit to move from lower to higher class if he has got talent and knowledge. can dalit become Brahman? Can he move from lower to upper class?

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Please don't come up with your interpretation here. Dharma is set of moral rules meant for individuals to follow regardless of caste. Karma determines your fate either in this life or in the next. In Hinduism people could be born as animals in the next life. How would you attribute a caste to them? Like I said caste system is a human fallacy. It wasn't written in scriptures. If it were so, Hinduism wouldn't last for so long it did. Caste wasn't to be attributed at birth. Any person with reasonable knowledge on Hinduism this is self relevant.

In traditional Hindu society, dharma has historically denoted a variety of ideas, such as Vedic ritual, ethical conduct, caste rules, and civil and criminal law. Its most common meaning however pertains to two principal ideals: that social life should be structured through well-defined and well-regulated classes (varna), and that an individual's life within a class should be organized into defined stages (ashrama, see dharmasastra).

Varna refers to the categorization of the Hindu society by four castes, hypothesized by the Brahmins and their sacred texts. This quadruple division is not to be confused with Jāti or even the much finer division of the contemporary caste system in India.[1] The four varnas, or chatur varna, are mentioned in ancient texts in the following (stratified) order, from top to bottom,[2]
the Brahmins: Scholars, teachers and fire priests
the Kshatriya/chattari: Kings and soldiers warriors
the Vaishyas: Agriculturists and merchants
the Shudras: Service providers and artisans
They are also divided into two groups, the Arya (comprising the first three classes) and the Shudra (śudrārya),[3] the Shudra generally being excluded from Vedic rituals.
Separate and shunned by the society were the "untouchables" like the Candala (cāṇḍāla), who had to deal with the disposal of dead bodies and are described as dirty and polluted. There was a belief that one's Karma in the past, resulted in one's condition in this birth. "Now people here whose conduct is good can expect to quickly attain a pleasant birth, like that of a Brahmin, the Ksatriya, or the Vaisya. But people of evil conduct can expect to enter a foul womb, like that of a dog, a pig, or a Chandala".[4]
The varna system of Hindu society is described in the various Puranas and Smritis, among others. Manusmriti, is a Dharmashastra text reflecting the laws and society of Maurya period India and was a reference work for the Brahmins of Bengal.

Dharma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Varna (Hinduism) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[great]

I think the word 'caste' needs to be removed altogether from the psyche of people and i have seen that even inter-caste marriages are big no in Indian society. I agree actions of peoples should decide their status and it should not be that if you born in dalit family then you will be consider dalit no matter if you are more talented than son of Brahman. I mean peoples should earn their rank, position , honour, status with their actions and and they should not be born with honour/higher ranks and it should be freedom for dalit to move from lower to higher class if he has got talent and knowledge. can dalit become Brahman? Can he move from lower to upper class?

In present modern India, if he is rich sure why not? Indians in general respect rich and educated. Although I might sound haughty but if dalit wants to be respected he should respect himself. I see many of them hasn't come out of victim-hood mentality yet. No one is going to respect you if you can't respect yourself. They need to study hard and better themselves. In India Christians are sometimes seen as low strata but they don't see the white Christians the same way. Why? because they are more successful than us.

Also I don't see same caste marriage as a discrimination its just a preference. You marry someone who understand you and your traditions. Hindus believe same caste people have similar traits. I think it is understandable. But I am opposed to forced caste marriages.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Sad sad situation

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

In present modern India, if he is rich sure why not?
Indians in general respect rich and educated. Although I might sound haughty but if dalit wants to be respected he should respect himself. I see many of them hasn't come out of victim-hood mentality yet.
No one is going to respect you if you can't respect yourself.

lol how he would become rich if the society he is living in consider him low life inferior individual and his confidence will only develop when he will be treated equally by the society. My question was : Can dalit become Brahmin according to scriptures of Hinduism or he must have blood of Braham to label himself Brahmin?

They need to study hard and better themselves.

and you need money for good education

Also I don't see same caste marriage as a discrimination its just a preference. You marry someone who understand you and your traditions. Hindus believe same caste people have similar traits. I think it is understandable. But I am opposed to forced caste marriages.

I mean just like Muslims can do marriage with muslim of any caste, race, why not Hindu? I agree with you marrige is personal choice but there should not be a superior or inferior castes within Hindu religion because only this superiority and inferiority complex make it impossible for them to marry with Hindus of different castes

 

[great]

In traditional Hindu society, dharma has historically denoted a variety of ideas, such as Vedic ritual, ethical conduct, caste rules, and civil and criminal law. Its most common meaning however pertains to two principal ideals: that social life should be structured through well-defined and well-regulated classes (varna), and that an individual's life within a class should be organized into defined stages (ashrama, see dharmasastra).

Varna refers to the categorization of the Hindu society by four castes, hypothesized by the Brahmins and their sacred texts. This quadruple division is not to be confused with Jāti or even the much finer division of the contemporary caste system in India.[1] The four varnas, or chatur varna, are mentioned in ancient texts in the following (stratified) order, from top to bottom,[2]
the Brahmins: Scholars, teachers and fire priests
the Kshatriya/chattari: Kings and soldiers warriors
the Vaishyas: Agriculturists and merchants
the Shudras: Service providers and artisans
They are also divided into two groups, the Arya (comprising the first three classes) and the Shudra (śudrārya),[3] the Shudra generally being excluded from Vedic rituals.
Separate and shunned by the society were the "untouchables" like the Candala (cāṇḍāla), who had to deal with the disposal of dead bodies and are described as dirty and polluted. There was a belief that one's Karma in the past, resulted in one's condition in this birth. "Now people here whose conduct is good can expect to quickly attain a pleasant birth, like that of a Brahmin, the Ksatriya, or the Vaisya. But people of evil conduct can expect to enter a foul womb, like that of a dog, a pig, or a Chandala".[4]
The varna system of Hindu society is described in the various Puranas and Smritis, among others. Manusmriti, is a Dharmashastra text reflecting the laws and society of Maurya period India and was a reference work for the Brahmins of Bengal.

Dharma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Varna (Hinduism) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These are age old traditions. There are several interpretations to them. I can give you an exact quote in Manusmiriti where it is written that everyone is born Shudhra. But the same script also explains the duties of each of the Varnas. Entire Karma concept is to have a check on human behavior incentivising him/her to be good in this life for the fear of worse in the next life. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hinduism is a prey for selective reading. These scripts are vast and take several years to master them. A light reader might interpret them as discrimination but it was even before Christ or Mohammad was born. Wouldn't you say Mohammad married a child because it was normal in those days? Likewise it could have been normal then, for society to work. But I agree these are not 21st century norms. We should get rid of them. Hinduism is very evolutionary that way. I am sure in due course we will get rid of this evil and move on.