Indian government should hang its head in shame: BBC filmmaker

[jamahir]

if there is no Moral of respecting women, how are you suppose to respect? lol..Moral is your inner thoughts( zehen ke ander) Respect is something to be shown ..

india as a traditional society gives a great space for morality, with private citizens taking up "moral policing"... does this automatically translate into respect for the ladies??

respect is not something shown outwardly... it is an instinct, to be given freely to everyone, excepting those who show criminality and anti-human tendencies.

 

[Screambowl]

india as a traditional society gives a great space for morality, with private citizens taking up "moral policing"... does this automatically translate into respect for the ladies??

respect is not something shown outwardly... it is an instinct, to be given freely to everyone, excepting those who show criminality and anti-human tendencies.

ok bhai you win i lose

 

[jamahir]

ok bhai you win i lose

no, i insist, you win.

 

[DeathInvader]

no, i insist, you win.

Aww so cute! You guys should get married

 

[jamahir]

Aww so cute! You guys should get married

ama miyan, main toh bas ek tameezdaar nawab hoon... bas "pehle aap, pehle aap" kar raha tha.

 

[rubyjackass]

All she showed was the permission given to her, not the terms and conditions which she violated.

Well the terms should have been made public by the government before so easily muzzling press. The letter does not mention any other terms or appendix/annexure.

Actual content of the documentary pretty much gives the perception that "All Indians are Rapists" . Its has been made to monetize on the issue and stereotype Indian men. Which is pretty much the problem. There is a difference between accepting one's faults and excessive self flagellation which is favorite among liberals.

All Indians are Rapists is a simplification you guys invented. Kudos for that. Now people actually think the documentary says that. And when people in other countries see the unnecessary controversy. They read between the lines in your quotes.

Monetizing IS the business of press and media.

Should we allow documentaries which were produced and released without the permission of the govt. ? A documentary according to the original witness shows incorrect content and is hell bent on stereotyping Indians. And actually interviews a rapist and then stereotypes his views as of those of men in India ? Even the co producer of the documentary has spoken against it. Screw the laws in this country i guess.

I would say yes for the first question in the long run. We have censor boards for making the content suitable for viewers. Even standard text books have errors/typos. The incorrect content is irrelevant for this conversation. They are insignificant to the main point.

Problem is people like your self will shamelessly support anything which shows India in a bad light even if its contents and its assertions are factually incorrect. Seriously .... stop worshiping westerners so much.

People are NOT supporting it FOR SHOWING INDIA IN BAD LIGHT. The film maker does not assert anything in the film. Watch it first. People want it to be watched for what the people in it say.

Deception, Lies Behind Making of India’s Daughter -The New Indian Express

@rubyjackass


"While Udwin, owner of Assassin Films, last week appeared on all major TV channels crying foul over the ban and hogging the international limelight, Bhushan through whom Udwin got permission to shoot inside Tihar is missing from the film’s credits."
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Didn't break any laws ? lol bootlickers

Please don't divert the topic. Breaking laws to film documentary is one thing. Letting the documentary screened is a separate concern.

Julian Assange broke a million laws, but his effort is a first class piece of journalism. The US could not censor any wikileaks papers. They are actually directly hurting US's national interests. I am not saying the US is made of angels. If anything, the papers and the subsequent witchhunt proves otherwise. But US has shown what a free society means, the papers could not be censored.

OK dude, if she did break laws, charge her. All the ones mentioned above do not make for any criminal charges. I have no interest to defend her. Except that my apparent defense of her will help you to divert the attention from the ban.

The Delhi Police filed a First Information Report (FIR) on 3 March against the filmmakers under Sections 505 (Statements conducing to public mischief), 504 (Intentional insult with intent to provoke breach of the peace), 505(1)(b) (With intent to cause, or which is likely to cause, fear or alarm to the public), 509 (Word, gesture or act intended to insult the modesty of a woman) of the Indian Penal Code and Section 66A of the Information Technology Act, 2000 (Punishment for sending offensive messages through communication service).[34] The Deputy Commissioner of Police (Economic Offences Wing) of New Delhi, Rajneesh Garg said, "These excerpts of the interview as published are highly offensive and have already created a situation of tension and fear among women in society. Therefore, in the interest of justice and maintenance of public order, an application was made in court seeking restraining order from publishing, transmitting, uploading and broadcasting the interview."[35]

Read the charges in the FIR and tell me they are not silly. Whose modesty was insulted by the film? Which peace is disturbed? What fear is caused to us? What is the offensive message sent? All the film shows is a narration of the actual incident in a few words and a bunch of interviews, most of them Indians. If anything, the filmmaker's comments after the ban actually qualify for the offensive messages charge, because people like you took offence.

If you insist that the rapist was trained, that is a little bit more believable than this non sense, he gives a very very good case for them not to be hanged. I thought he was not that intelligent. See his intellectual answer. I now believe that rapists should not be given death sentence if the victim is left alive.

 

[opruh]

Who cares about the per capita income!!The only thing that matters most in case of a country is the GDP(nominal) and GDP(PPP) and in both these parameters,India is at least 20 times more than your "poor" and poverty-stricken state of Phillipines.Man you guys are so poor,i will personally urge my Govt. to send some food aid to your country as soon as possible

Eew social climber here, look at this guy who defecates outside trying to preach about being rich
I should ask the Philippine government to send some toilets and manners to India first.

 

[Star Wars]

All Indians are Rapists is a simplification you guys invented. Kudos for that. Now people actually think the documentary says that. And when people in other countries see the unnecessary controversy. They read between the lines in your quotes.

that is the assertion and insinuation made in the documentry. ONly a fool would ignore it

I would say yes for the first question in the long run. We have censor boards for making the content suitable for viewers. Even standard text books have errors/typos. The incorrect content is irrelevant for this conversation. They are insignificant to the main point.

The documentary was not done for social reasons, it was specifically done to bring India in a bad light. Even the witness claims the content of the documentary is incorrect.BUt certian people who have a habit of self flagalation will enjoy it.

People are NOT supporting it FOR SHOWING INDIA IN BAD LIGHT. The film maker does not assert anything in the film. Watch it first. People want it to be watched for what the people in it say.

Please don't divert the topic. Breaking laws to film documentary is one thing. Letting the documentary screened is a separate concern.

NO it isn't, why should a documentary be allowed to be screened if the whole thing has been produced by fooling the system ? There is one thing to accepts one's fault and it is another thing to glamorize Rape and stereotype it. YOu claimed she didnot break laws, well she did break laws through out the whole damn film..

Julian Assange broke a million laws, but his effort is a first class piece of journalism. The US could not censor any wikileaks papers. They are actually directly hurting US's national interests. I am not saying the US is made of angels. If anything, the papers and the subsequent witchhunt proves otherwise. But US has shown what a free society means, the papers could not be censored.

We arn't talking about Julian Assange. Please stop comparing that woman with Julain Assange. This dis about a retarded foreigner who is too concerned about the problems in other countries. This was a documentary done out of political reasons not social reasons.

Read the charges in the FIR and tell me they are not silly. Whose modesty was insulted by the film? Which peace is disturbed? What fear is caused to us? What is the offensive message sent? All the film shows is a narration of the actual incident in a few words and a bunch of interviews, most of them Indians. If anything, the filmmaker's comments after the ban actually qualify for the offensive messages charge, because people like you took offence.

If you insist that the rapist was trained, that is a little bit more believable than this non sense, he gives a very very good case for them not to be hanged. I thought he was not that intelligent. See his intellectual answer. I now believe that rapists should not be given death sentence if the victim is left alive.

Are you dumb ? The point is the film was made circumventing Indian laws and not FIR should be charged ? Should anyone be allowed to circumvent Indian laws and use social problems for political point scoring ? If you think this documentary was done out of good will then you area fool. This documentary was done to fool people like you. Interview a Rapist and be surprised he supported Rape and then claim many in India have his views.

 

[SipahSalar]

100th thread on 1 documentary.

Bhai kis aqal mund nay kaha tha ban karo? It is common sense that whenever you ban something, it becomes famous.

 

[Star Wars]

If that would be true, they would have generalized the issue and docu would focus on the offender, Indian men, the fact that many rapes in India are gang rapes (which infact is pretty specific to India)...
That however is not the case, since the docu is limited to this specific case, shows the offender only as one part of the case and even tries to show his background and what might effected him personally...and most importantly, the fact that the docu shows young Indian men and women protesting together against this rape case, shows exactly the opposite, since it shows the protest in India itself, that there are men and women that are standing up against this problem and the old mindsets.


Which is factually wrong, since they had the permission, one can only complain about the former home ministry, that they gave the permission. But even here, there is no legal base to not allow docus or bar foreigners from doing them in India. The problematic issue about the permission was (and that's what Indian women groups also complain about), that the permission was given although the case was an ongoing one and that this could effect the convitction at the end.
So the docu was legal from what we know so far and most of the people who actually saw it, can't complain about the content, but only about the timing and that's what I said earlier too, but that doesn't change the content of the docu.

Actually the laws where circumvented and loopholes found to produce the film. The comments of the film maker and several news papers after the documentary said otherwise. I remember a Kuwati and other news paper headline saying how many Indians had the views of the Rapist. Not to mention comments from the film maker claiming how Indis is a "Sick society" . The Documentry was used by western media to make an impression of Indian being Rapists.

 

[rubyjackass]

that is the assertion and insinuation made in the documentry. ONly a fool would ignore it

The documentary also shows how the girls father thinks. He is also an Indian man.

The documentary was not done for social reasons, it was specifically done to bring India in a bad light. Even the witness claims the content of the documentary is incorrect.BUt certian people who have a habit of self flagalation will enjoy it.

What is incorrect? The documentary shows a guy claiming to be Nirbhaya's tutor talking. What the witness argued about is with the movie he wanted to watch. Its a minor/trivial anecdotal error. By your standards, will any news article or piece of journalism ever qualify for social good? Only people who have serious problems would rather allow their disease to rot them, instead of seeking a medicine.

NO it isn't, why should a documentary be allowed to be screened if the whole thing has been produced by fooling the system ? There is one thing to accepts one's fault and it is another thing to glamorize Rape and stereotype it. YOu claimed she didnot break laws, well she did break laws through out the whole damn film..

More corroboration is coming out saying that the filmmaker actually showed the film to the jail authorities. Who glamorizes rape?!! I said there is no evidence shown that she broke the laws. On the other hand, she has put out the permission letter for shooting the video. Whether an Indian producer was involved or not will make a paltry civil suit. If the actual shooting

Rape and Other Conspiracies Against India – Praful Bidwai | Caravan Daily

Are you dumb ? The point is the film was made circumventing Indian laws and not FIR should be charged ? Should anyone be allowed to circumvent Indian laws and use social problems for political point scoring ? If you think this documentary was done out of good will then you area fool. This documentary was done to fool people like you. Interview a Rapist and be surprised he supported Rape and then claim many in India have his views.

Are you blind? Did any of the charges in the FIR relate to what you are saying? Every sting operation is a violation of privacy laws. They are sometimes sold like hot cakes to media companies. There will always somebody who benefits from the stings and moronic arguments like yours would argue about the politics, ignoring the corruption. So what? Journalists sometimes cross the line to get news. They bribe, feed info, misinfo and steal documents.

I asked you the bottomline question. How did the ban help exactly to save India's prestige? In what way, pray tell?

Actually the laws where circumvented and loopholes found to produce the film. The comments of the film maker and several news papers after the documentary said otherwise. I remember a Kuwati and other news paper headline saying how many Indians had the views of the Rapist. Not to mention comments from the film maker claiming how Indis is a "Sick society" . The Documentry was used by western media to make an impression of Indian being Rapists.

Great discovery now!! Why not just try the filmmaker? What is the point of banning the documentary? Are you also losing sleep over people taking cheap shots at India for not having toilets?

 

[Star Wars]

The documentary also shows how the girls father thinks. He is also an Indian man.

What is incorrect? The documentary shows a guy claiming to be Nirbhaya's tutor talking. What the witness argued about is with the movie he wanted to watch. Its a minor/trivial anecdotal error. By your standards, will any news article or piece of journalism ever qualify for social good? Only people who have serious problems would rather allow their disease to rot them, instead of seeking a medicine.

The witness called the entire film Fake, not a "minor error". Are you that big of a fool to think we can bring crime rates to Zero ? When you have 1.2 billion people there are bound to be a lot of crimes and there is nothing you can do about it other than providing justice. Only people with serious problems would allow another country with worse crime rates to make judgement against us.

More corroboration is coming out saying that the filmmaker actually showed the film to the jail authorities. Who glamorizes rape?!! I said there is no evidence shown that she broke the laws. On the other hand, she has put out the permission letter for shooting the video. Whether an Indian producer was involved or not will make a paltry civil suit. If the actual shooting

Rape and Other Conspiracies Against India – Praful Bidwai | Caravan Daily

lol... you are getting desperate now. Why are you repeating this BS again and again. Leslee says something and it is serious problem we say something it is a trivial little matter or a conspiracy theory. Grow the **** up dude. Westeners aren't the angels descending from heaven.If you bothered to read the article i quoted earlier it has a lot more to do than the producer. Who by the way herself is against the Film maker..

Are you blind? Did any of the charges in the FIR relate to what you are saying? Every sting operation is a violation of privacy laws. They are sometimes sold like hot cakes to media companies. There will always somebody who benefits from the stings and moronic arguments like yours would argue about the politics, ignoring the corruption. So what? Journalists sometimes cross the line to get news. They bribe, feed info, misinfo and steal documents.
I asked you the bottomline question. How did the ban help exactly to save India's prestige? In what way, pray tell?

Yeah they bribe, they steal, they misinfo for people like you to take the news for granted and blindly accept everything which is said in the Video. There is a fine line between accepting one's faults and blindly swallowing everything from the western media.Interview a rapists and be alarmed he supported Rape... Seriously did everyone just loose their brains ?

 

[rubyjackass]

The witness called the entire film Fake, not a "minor error". Are you that big of a fool to think we can bring crime rates to Zero ? When you have 1.2 billion people there are bound to be a lot of crimes and there is nothing you can do about it other than providing justice. Only people with serious problems would allow another country with worse crime rates to make judgement against us.

The documentary is not about our crime rate. Where is any country making a judgement here? The ban is actually causing the judgement.

Yes, the witness calls it a fake. You can see the documentary and read the issues the guy takes up. Other witnesses who found the duo in a ditch were also interviewed. The guy's objections to the film are in fact minor errors. His problems with the message conveyed is a different issue and there, his being witness does not matter.

lol... you are getting desperate now. Why are you repeating this BS again and again. Leslee says something and it is serious problem we say something it is a trivial little matter or a conspiracy theory. Grow the **** up dude. Westeners aren't the angels descending from heaven.If you bothered to read the article i quoted earlier it has a lot more to do than the producer. Who by the way herself is against the Film maker..

The film is about a turning point in Indian society. There is a new law because of it to deal with a serious issue. Yes, what Leslee said was about a serious problem, not because SHE said it. Because it is just so. You are just running around like a bird making a big deal about a documentary.

I read the article and all it has to do was with the film maker's faults. The ban would be without basis even then. The Indian co-producer should file a civil case against Leslee Udwin if his partnership in the film is compromised.

Yeah they bribe, they steal, they misinfo for people like you to take the news for granted and blindly accept everything which is said in the Video. There is a fine line between accepting one's faults and blindly swallowing everything from the western media.Interview a rapists and be alarmed he supported Rape... Seriously did everyone just loose their brains ?

People are not brainless. That is exactly why they will not take the rapist on his word to support rape. You are the retard who thinks so. Swallowing BS may be your habit. Nobody accepted blindly what is said in the video.

Even if you b!tch about the film maker(her nationality and her methods) all you want, it does not justify the ban. That is the bottomline. You ignore it and keep justifying a gag order, like the film had raped you.

And you are a fool to think that it is only westerners who bribe and get news. You are the fool who claim to be saving India's face by banning the documentary when the exact opposite happened.

 

[airmarshal]

Its a good documentary and should be watched. There are important lesson in it for all of us. It does not criticize India but like all societies have some issues, it reveals those issues and puts them out in front of us.

 

[Star Wars]

The documentary is not about our crime rate. Where is any country making a judgement here? The ban is actually causing the judgement.

Yes, the witness calls it a fake. You can see the documentary and read the issues the guy takes up. Other witnesses who found the duo in a ditch were also interviewed. The guy's objections to the film are in fact minor errors. His problems with the message conveyed is a different issue and there, his being witness does not matter.

Yup , the main witness calls it fake and apparently he does not matter Am talking about how the documentary was used to generalize and stereotype Indians. Apparently a foreigner can talk shit about India while worse things happen in her own country and there are libtards who support it.

The film is about a turning point in Indian society. There is a new law because of it to deal with a serious issue. Yes, what Leslee said was about a serious problem, not because SHE said it. Because it is just so. You are just running around like a bird making a big deal about a documentary.

I read the article and all it has to do was with the film maker's faults. The ban would be without basis even then. The Indian co-producer should file a civil case against Leslee Udwin if his partnership in the film is compromised.

Yes and apparantly the new law is being seriously misused which you tend to convinantly ignore. Every society has problems not Only India. Foreigners should mind they own business rather than focusing on someone else's problems
There are also huge amount of false Rape cases and also large number of false dowry cases. But Libtards are usually silent in those issues and on those threads,

People are not brainless. That is exactly why they will not take the rapist on his word to support rape. You are the retard who thinks so. Swallowing BS may be your habit. Nobody accepted blindly what is said in the video.

How many times will you backtrack ? first you mouth of about the documentary then claims "nobody accepts it blindly", then you claim Leslee did not d anything illigal then when proven she did something illigal you make her into another Julian Assange

Even if you b!tch about the film maker(her nationality and her methods) all you want, it does not justify the ban. That is the bottomline. You ignore it and keep justifying a gag order, like the film had raped you.

That's funny, the self rightious human rights activist using the word "Rape" so freely Apparently according to LIbtards foreigners can break laws and make films and it still should not be banned because a gora made it ,Screw Indian laws

And you are a fool to think that it is only westerners who bribe and get news. You are the fool who claim to be saving India's face by banning the documentary when the exact opposite happened.

Relax, take a cold bath and calm down, you are the libtard who usually likes dragging INdia face into the mud at the slightest opportunity. If you break laws your film gets banned. Its quiet simple. Stop whining about it so much.