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Indian gas centrifuge enrichment capability based on covert info from A Q Khan networ

So the author doesnt have any hard proof that Indians got the design from khan network. He is asserting so just because he thinks inferior indians would not be able to achieve break throuh after 10-15 years of hard work unless superior and super intelligent pakistani scientists help them?
 
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So the author doesnt have any hard proof that Indians got the design from khan network. He is asserting so just because he thinks inferior indians would not be able to achieve break throuh after 10-15 years of hard work unless superior and super intelligent pakistani scientists help them?

And some people are asking a proof from us on the expertise despite us having done the test 24 years earlier:lol:
 
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I don't think so. Only Pakistan has and is the only Muslim country which had achieved with Hard work and great labour of young men.
Which is why I put the Pakistani flag. You do know that that's the Pak flag, right?
 
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I need not give u anything,,its for everyone and anyone to see who is ahead even today.
And thanks for pointing out the typo........

On debate u have nothing to contribute,,,so stop stretching it further with ur phallus.:lol:

And what is the debate?
 
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If its true... Good job RAW.. For RAW had done these without the knowledge of CIA and Mossad.. If CIA had known we have we had stolen files from AQ Khan, they wouldnt have entered into a deal with us in 2004.
It may not be true.. In that case... Indian Scientists.. Congrats..
 
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And some people are asking a proof from us on the expertise despite us having done the test 24 years earlier:lol:
Yeah, disproving a negative, like give us the proof that it wasn't AQK helping you to achieve break through...
 
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Raja raja chola and griffin thanks for understanding my point , it is simple fact that 5 different generations of centrifuge technology in 10'years cannot be possible ( not impossible but you would need industrial knowledge of centrifuge similar to u.s.a. ) if one sees india efforts of 80 -90 s infact back then indian scientist had doubt that pakistan had enriched uranium using centrifuge technique.

Friends , don't need to be personal , espionage is a open fact USSR received complete bomb design from Fuchs and they developed an improved version - 22 kt , it does not mean USSR could not have made the A bomb .

in that manner india could have easily mastered gas centrifuge tech by now , but in espionage it help india go up by 10-15 years.

China has also copied w88 warhead design from China , but it does not mean way back in 1996 chinese economy was weak that they could never make w88 type warhead , it is that such spy work accelerates the nuclear weapons programs and is good for intimidation , Inshort there is nothing wrong if India received a working P4 design which allowed them to test first p4 batches at BARC ( as indicated by BARC in its speech of 2008 , by 2008 the P4 centrifuge were being installed at rattehalli to replace old CNOR designs ) and then proceed to carbon fibre design in which india also tasted success , the old indian design had minor errors , like extra 5mm rotor width etc.



The only thing that is worrying for Pakistanis is the Urs tinner computer contained details of 2 more Pakistani warhead they were new designs ( one was the 1990 design of chic 4 which is known in intelligence circles ) source - fallout CIA secret war with nuclear proliferation and the others seems to be 20-25 kt design or 30-35 kt design (1998 test was this bomb) . ( U.S.A. has copies of entire Urs tinner data and according to them the chic 4 is an excellent design which even if made compact and will definitely work every time in any situation and even a 5 kt bomb can be made and even the design could be stretched max to 25 kt bomb , CIA say they are correct in there analysis as they have the best atomic weapon scientist , they even made a copy of the bomb and threatened not to pursue Abomb to pak foreign minister ( please see the a q khan colum in pak leading paper I remember it title unsung heroes , pak forum members please correct my source , this article was published one month ago ) . In Libya U.s.a. Again got this warhead design papers.

Ok , now regarding technology acquired from China , I am thinking of putting a new thread on that subject as it is going to be real fiery , but the FACT IS jiu shenje ( head of CHINA Nuclear ( like PAEC Head ), in 1980-1970 period ) and Chinese Priemer that time approved the nuclear exchange with Pakistan ( A Q Khan letter to Simon Henderson , many indian newspaper also reported in front page China gave 50 kg enrich uranium , 1967 chick 4 bomb design , 15 ton UF6 , and please see the book deception pakistan United States and nuclear weapons - RAW chief saxsena received deathbed letter of Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto ( by accident the letter was smuggled and landed at an indian origin owner printing press in London ) where he said 1976 pact the most crucial of his life and he will be remembered for that - pack that China will helped liver A bomb to pakistan )
 
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Raja raja chola and griffin thanks for understanding my point , it is simple fact that 5 different generations of centrifuge technology in 10'years cannot be possible ( not impossible but you would need industrial knowledge of centrifuge similar to u.s.a. ) if one sees india efforts of 80 -90 s infact back then indian scientist had doubt that pakistan had enriched uranium using centrifuge technique.

Friends , don't need to be personal , espionage is a open fact USSR received complete bomb design from Fuchs and they developed an improved version - 22 kt , it does not mean USSR could not have made the A bomb .

in that manner india could have easily mastered gas centrifuge tech by now , but in espionage it help india go up by 10-15 years.

China has also copied w88 warhead design from China , but it does not mean way back in 1996 chinese economy was weak that they could never make w88 type warhead , it is that such spy work accelerates the nuclear weapons programs and is good for intimidation , Inshort there is nothing wrong if India received a working P4 design which allowed them to test first p4 batches at BARC ( as indicated by BARC in its speech of 2008 , by 2008 the P4 centrifuge were being installed at rattehalli to replace old CNOR designs ) and then proceed to carbon fibre design in which india also tasted success , the old indian design had minor errors , like extra 5mm rotor width etc.



The only thing that is worrying for Pakistanis is the Urs tinner computer contained details of 2 more Pakistani warhead they were new designs ( one was the 1990 design of chic 4 which is known in intelligence circles ) source - fallout CIA secret war with nuclear proliferation and the others seems to be 20-25 kt design or 30-35 kt design (1998 test was this bomb) . ( U.S.A. has copies of entire Urs tinner data and according to them the chic 4 is an excellent design which even if made compact and will definitely work every time in any situation and even a 5 kt bomb can be made and even the design could be stretched max to 25 kt bomb , CIA say they are correct in there analysis as they have the best atomic weapon scientist , they even made a copy of the bomb and threatened not to pursue Abomb to pak foreign minister ( please see the a q khan colum in pak leading paper I remember it title unsung heroes , pak forum members please correct my source , this article was published one month ago ) . In Libya U.s.a. Again got this warhead design papers.

Ok , now regarding technology acquired from China , I am thinking of putting a new thread on that subject as it is going to be real fiery , but the FACT IS jiu shenje ( head of CHINA Nuclear ( like PAEC Head ), in 1980-1970 period ) and Chinese Priemer that time approved the nuclear exchange with Pakistan ( A Q Khan letter to Simon Henderson , many indian newspaper also reported in front page China gave 50 kg enrich uranium , 1967 chick 4 bomb design , 15 ton UF6 , and please see the book deception pakistan United States and nuclear weapons - RAW chief saxsena received deathbed letter of Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto ( by accident the letter was smuggled and landed at an indian origin owner printing press in London ) where he said 1976 pact the most crucial of his life and he will be remembered for that - pack that China will helped liver A bomb to pakistan )


A) china , provide yellow cake to make bomb
B) China provide Nuclear Bomb Design
C) China provide Magnetic Rings for Centrifuge....


one more thing , India nuclear Weapons based on Plutonium , and PAK nuclear based on uranium ..... Both have different path and different way of developing.

I hope you understand the why India choose Plutonium and PAK use Uranium ? ;)

Also for your knowledge , India today is leader in breeder technology...... its comes with long year of R&D and not over night.

Moreover you argument is based on assumption that 10 years it not possible , Well India make car engines/ bike engines/ cars / trucks etc. As country which can't even make a its own engine or design its own car ... made all his own knowledge and R&D ?
 
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A) china , provide yellow cake to make bomb
B) China provide Nuclear Bomb Design
C) China provide Magnetic Rings for Centrifuge....


one more thing , India nuclear Weapons based on Plutonium , and PAK nuclear based on uranium ..... Both have different path and different way of developing.

I hope you understand the why India choose Plutonium and PAK use Uranium ? ;)

Also for your knowledge , India today is leader in breeder technology...... its comes with long year of R&D and not over night.

Moreover you argument is based on assumption that 10 years it not possible , Well India make car engines/ bike engines/ cars / trucks etc. As country which can't even make a its own engine or design its own car ... made all his own knowledge and R&D ?
BTW, why? Please elaborate, why India chooses plutonium path and Pak with uranium.
 
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On the question who has pakistan design It is suspected that Iran received pakistan bomb design , ( they have shown IAEA a document containing how to make hemisphere of HEU for bomb and they admitted to have received it from a q Khan ) source - deception , also please see bbc documentary on a q Khan ( it's on YouTube )

Libya was also sent the bomb design which was chinese in origin , the same chic 4 it received in 1983

I do not believe a q Khan was acting alone the pakistan army atleast knew of it or they must have receive a cut , infact used p1 centrifuge of kahuta were sent to Iran.

Kaku , each country chose the route it found the easiest or first to make bomb , China started with HEU bomb because it's uranium gaseous diffusion plant was complete before plutonium plant , for Pakistan a q Khan was quick than PAEC reactor , for india it was cirus reactor infact india should have started uranium enrichment tech , . Long ago , Russia would have help us like it did with China , 1980s meant india was too late in comparison with p5 nations , if india had done it before we would have seen more advance developments , China has developed its own gas centrifuge tech , it is much more advanced then even the 7th generation but falls behind the present 8th generation centrifuge tech of u.s.a. And Europe But it means China is only 10 years behind u.s.a. And Europe , whereas India is 20 -25 years behind .

Alfa fighter and kaki , yes plutonium is better at bomb building easier than HEU but lighter bomb can be built even with HEU but you need more expertise.
 
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On the question who has pakistan design It is suspected that Iran received pakistan bomb design , ( they have shown IAEA a document containing how to make hemisphere of HEU for bomb and they admitted to have received it from a q Khan ) source - deception , also please see bbc documentary on a q Khan ( it's on YouTube )

Libya was also sent the bomb design which was chinese in origin , the same chic 4 it received in 1983

I do not believe a q Khan was acting alone the pakistan army atleast knew of it or they must have receive a cut , infact used p1 centrifuge of kahuta were sent to Iran.

Kaku , each country chose the route it found the easiest or first to make bomb , China started with HEU bomb because it's uranium gaseous diffusion plant was complete before plutonium plant , for Pakistan a q Khan was quick than PAEC reactor , for india it was cirus reactor infact india should have started uranium enrichment tech , . Long ago , Russia would have help us like it did with China , 1980s meant india was too late in comparison with p5 nations , if india had done it before we would have seen more advance developments , China has developed its own gas centrifuge tech , it is much more advanced then even the 7th generation but falls behind the present 8th generation centrifuge tech of u.s.a. And Europe But it means China is only 10 years behind u.s.a. And Europe , whereas India is 20 -25 years behind .

Yes not conducting a test was historic blunder.
But anyhow we will get there someday,,not a big deal.

I am more interested in nuclear power generation research.
 
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China if you count all the 15 tons uf6 and 50 kg enrich uranium meant It gave minimum 5 atomic bombs to Pakistan ( 5tons of uf6 was 3% enriched ) . It meant pakistan went on asking more an more help and China quickly gave it which is quite surprising considering China itself has poor uranium supplies infact it has ony as much uranium or not more than 30% 40% plus deposits of uranium in comparison with india and all the new deposits it discovered are poor in quality , it imports major part of nuclear fuel from abroad. It has reportedly 250 weapons , even in max range it has not more than 500 weapons which includes tactical and neutron bombs. For a country of the size of China and economy which needs electricity and more weapons it seems bit odd. Again considering it thinks usa as its chief enemy.

What's more surprising is it has supplied enriched uranium to many country for the reactor it supply , a country with limited supply should offer even so much , it also should intial China commitment to Pakistan program which is really noteworthy.

The only country which develop uranium gas centrifuge but has no viable uranium is Iran , still we hear of it wanting to enrich uranium , iran will need too much uranium to make a bomb ( in comparison to the uranium mines it is having )
 
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