Indian Foreign Affairs News & Discussions (non-US & Pakistan related

[Gabriel]

and you Gabriel ,as a Romania outsider,make me understand indian pride,and i know you r in free world too.

In order for China and India to have a good relationship intelligent people must chose to ignore INTERNET comments made by trolls.
Hope it helps.

 

[Nemesis]

nce again someone assumes foreigners don't know what happens in India. India media is highly controlled and censored! Living in India I can testify so many riots, demonstrations, killings don't get reported at all! What is shown in the news in India (TV, newspapers) is almost 100% absent outside of India.

I saw dead bodies left to rot. Slain and nude corpses were so common you become desensitized. Bodies which are left in alleys and dumpsters to rot are common sight. NEVER HAVE I SEEN PUBLIC DISPLAY OF CORPSES AS PREVALENT.

Take this for some thought. The Mumbai Metro consists of burnt trains with NO DOORS. These crowded trains see hundreds of deaths each year in Mumbai/Bumbay alone! Mangled dead and severed human body parts litter the tracks. Because of censorship these and numerous other humanitarian atrocities are censored from world view! You think I or any foreigner is happy to see or know this??? Absolutely NOT. How much $$$ or time does it take to attach doors to over-crowded fast traveling metro trains??? Is a hundred+ human lives each year worth less than the price of a few doors??? Whether it is a Chinese or an Indian or a Pakistani or a German or a American or an African --- a life is a life. Don't devalue human life based on sex, religion, age or race!

I'm sorry, this forum deals with facts. Not your sick fantasies.

 

[BSF]

So Sinoindus friendship dude...how about some links to the claims made by you.
Huh!

O come on .....I want to see severed bodies of people beside the Mumbai railway tracks as claimed by you.

If you do not have anything on that then QUIT TROLLING.

 

[BSF]

Ignoring the troll :Sinus indus friendship: and his new found love of karma

Like I said the reason why he wanted to escape was to be instructed in the teachings of Buddhism by his Teachers who reside in India, that is there tradition, in which he felt complied to complete. The link you gave does not say he was presecuted, if he was he would have said as was his chance to gain world attention. Your last sentence my friend does not make sense to me. If a person is saying nothing good and bad about a country then he has nothing against it because he is being neutral. Now the Ripoche came to India, so he had the perfect chance in saying that he was prosecuted, but he did not instead the guy was muttering about a religious pilgrim in gaining knowledge in Buddhism by his Teachers, which he could not achieve in Tibet.

Knowing PRC/Mao's motto of "Religion is Poison" I beg to differ.
I'd say he left because he feared for his life and in the way and manner he left ... says the same.

However I did say that it was wrong of the Chinese to forbade him to leave, and yes obviously it must have been embarrasing for the Chinese goverment in the manner he left Tibet. And can you please explain how the PRC choosing is different from Chinese people because effectively they are both the same.

I will tell you how is PRC choosing and Chinese people choosing is different.
here is how Dalai lama is chosen

The Dalai Lama is not chosen he is found

He is not chosen, he is found. The current Dalai Lama is a reincarnation of the previous Dalai Lama. He was born two years after his last incarnation ended. Senior Tibetan monks recieve information during meditation which helps them track down the new Dalai Lama. They have a secret set of criteria which they use to determine whether the child they have tracked down is the Dalai Lama. Although, Familiarity with the possessions of the previous Dalai Lama is considered the main sign of the reincarnation. The search for the reincarnation typically requires a few years.

the current Dalai Lama is called Tenzin Gyasto

Source

Karmapas are self-recognizing. That means that all incarnations claimed very early in their life to be Karmapa, recognized associates and colleagues of the previous incarnation and have been generally remarkable for their age (see history of previous incarnations). Also, each Karmapa left indications leading to his next re-birth, usually in the form of a letter. In such letter indications about location of next incarnation and future parents were contained, although usually in a poetic and elusive form.

Source
So I hope you get the point ,he difference between people choosing Rinpoche and PRC choosing a Rinpoche

It was interesting...All the Karmapa'a live in India.
Source

I wonder why that happened.
May be they liked bollywood movies and chose to move to India
:Kidding:

 

[Screaming Skull]

Sweden offers civilian nuclear technology to India​

Sunday, July 5, 2009

New Delhi (IANS): Sweden, a member of the 45-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group, is offering New Delhi its niche expertise in nuclear waste management and security as it eyes India's $40 billion civilian nuclear energy market.

"Sweden has considerable expertise in nuclear waste management and areas relating to nuclear security. We are exploring opportunities of partnering with India in this area," Sweden's Ambassador to India Lars-Olof Lindgren told IANS in an interview here.

The envoy said a delegation of Swedish companies operating in the area of nuclear technology and safety management came to India this April on an exploratory trip. They held talks with officials of the Nuclear Power Corporation of India Limited (NPCIL) and also met India's nuclear points man Anil Kakodkar, chief of the Atomic Energy Commission.

The delegation comprised Swedish atomic companies such as Sandpit, Swenson, SKB International Consulting AB, Studbook, ES-consult and Rel con Candlepower AB.

Another Swedish delegation will be coming to India soon to explore opportunities in the nuclear energy area, the envoy said, adding that nuclear technology solutions is a promising area of future cooperation between the two countries.

Swedish companies are also in touch with Indian private companies such as Larsen and Toubro and Bharat Forge which are interested in the production of nuclear power, currently the monopoly of the government in India.

The envoy sought to dispel the impression that Sweden, like other Scandinavian countries, was reluctant to support a consensus for India in the 45-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group - the global cartel that controls global trade in nuclear equipment and materials.

"We consider India as a responsible nuclear power and understand its need for energy and nuclear development. Sweden was never questioning a change in the NSG guidelines," the envoy underlined.

He also outlined possibilities of cooperation in renewable solar and wind energy and clean energy technologies in which Sweden is a pacesetter.

Sweden depends on nuclear power for nearly 50 percent of its energy needs. In a radical departure from its established policy, the Swedish government scrapped a three-decade ban on building new nuclear reactors in February this year, saying it needed to avoid producing more greenhouse gases.

The Swedish government is now planning to replace old reactors with new reactors, the envoy said.

The Indian nuclear power market is estimated to touch $40 billion or Rs.20,000 crore by 2020. Atomic companies from the US, Russia, France and Kazakhstan, the four countries with which India has signed bilateral nuclear pacts, are vying to get a share of the nuclear pie. British companies specializing in nuclear safety and research have also opened contacts with India.

The Hindu News Update Service

 

[scshqgcm]

So Sinoindus friendship dude...how about some links to the claims made by you.
Huh!

O come on .....I want to see severed bodies of people beside the Mumbai railway tracks as claimed by you.

If you do not have anything on that then QUIT TROLLING.

how about this ? and it is a singapore website

http://www.zaobao.com/photoweb/urumchi.shtml

 

[RPK]

ROME: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh arrived here on Tuesday on a four-day visit to attend the Summit of G-8 industrialised nations and a meeting of
top leaders of five 'outreach' countries who will grapple with the issues of global economic downturn and climate change.

Shortly after he landed at the Fiumicino Airport here, Singh left by a helicopter for L'Aquila, more than 100km from here, where he will meet with G-8 leaders as also top leaders of Brazil, China, Mexico and South Africa

The leaders will deliberate on steps for reviving the global economy hit by financial downturn as well as for mitigating the impact of climate change. The Prime Minister is accompanied by National Security Adviser M K Narayanan and Foreign Secretary Shivshankar Menon among others.

The two-day G-8 Summit begins on July 9. Earlier in the day Singh said in a departure statement in New Delhi that the economic slowdown needed be dealt with by a concerted and well-coordinated global response addressing systemic failures and stimulating the real economy.

Source

 

[gubbi]

Big Brother is watching you!!


George Orwell warned about this

George Orwell didn't take into account random terrorist acts perpetuated on a innocent people.

 

[devd]

this seems to be good idea to secure mumbai.

 

[RPK]

Manmohan to meet Brown today

L'Aquila, Italy (IANS): Prime Minister Manmohan Singh will hold a bilateral meeting with his British counterpart Gordon Brown in this earthquake-hit Italian mountain town on Wednesday afternoon on the sidelines of the G8-G5 summit starting here.

The two leaders are likely to discuss issues of mutual cooperation between both sides, including terrorism and the financial meltdown, officials said here.

The Prime Minister will be attending the outreach meeting of the G5 — the group of five most emerging economies in the world comprising India, China, Brazil, Mexico and South Africa — being held parallel to the G8 meeting of the world's most wealthy and industrialised countries.

The summit is being held in this central Italian town — hit by a major earthquake in April this year leaving nearly 300 dead, over 1,500 injured and about 60,000 homeless — amid concerns of more tremors in the region. The last tremor to hit the town was on Friday (July 3) and measured 4.1 on the Richter scale.

Italian authorities have already briefed top world leaders who have arrived for the summit about emergency evacuation plans in case of another earthquake.

Mr. Singh will be meeting German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Thursday for a bilateral meeting followed by another one with Japan's Prime Minister Taro Aso on Friday. He will also meet the Angolan President Jose Eduardo Dos Santos the same day.

The Prime Minister is likely to meet U.S. President Barack Obama informally during the G8-G5 summit.

 

[RPK]

Hu skips G8 over China unrest
China's president is skipping the G8 summit in Italy and returning to Beijing as ethnic tensions which have already claimed at least 156 lives, flare again.

The official Xinhua news agency said Hu Jintao, who had been on a state visit to Italy ahead of the Group of Eight summit starting on Wednesday, cut short his trip "due to the situation" in Xinjiang.

His hurried return comes as tensions were rising again in Urumqi, the region's capital, on Wednesday.

Victor Gao, the director of the government-run China National Association of International Studies, called Hu's early return "very unusual".

Unprecedented measure



"Because of the unprecedented scale and the severity of the situation in Xinjiang," he told Al Jazeera, Hu had taken the "unprecedented measure of leaving the G8 meeting before it starts and coming back to China to exercise his leadership role in calming down the situation in Xinjiang".

Al Jazeera's Melissa Chan, reporting from Urumqi, said tensions were rising again after a relatively calm Wednesday morning following a curfew overnight.

Ethnic Han Chinese were taking to the streets, our correspondent said, carrying sticks and trying to enter Uighur neighbourhoods dotted around the predominantly Han city despite riot police blocking off main streets and armoured personnel carriers conducting patrols.



On Tuesday, thousands of Han Chinese had rampaged through the city seeking revenge against ethnic Uighurs who they say started Sunday's deadly riots.

Groups of Uighurs also took to the streets and government forces fired tear gas at the crowds and ordered the imposition of a curfew in an effort to maintain control of the city.

According to Chinese authorities at least 156 people died in Sunday's riot which broke out after a street protest by ethnic Uighurs turned violent.

The riot was some of the deadliest ethnic unrest seen in the country for decades.

Chinese police are reported to have arrested more than 1,400 people in a crackdown that Wang Lequan, the head of the Chinese Communist party in Xinjiang, said was intended to quell the unrest, although he warned "this struggle ... against separatism ... is far from over".


Uighurs say Chinese repression and mass Han migration have stoked tensions [Reuters]
Commenting on the government's handling of the crisis, Victor Gao, who worked as translator for the late Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping, said the government needed to be "very fair and very effective" in tackling the situation.

"It is easy to draw the line along ethnic groups, however it is a temptation that we need to resist," he said.

"I think it's better to focus on the criminal activities regardless of which ethnic group they are, whether they are Uighurs or Han Chinese."

Uighur groups say China's repressive policies combined with years of mass migration to Xinjiang by Han Chinese, China's largest ethnic group, have stoked ethnic tensions and sown the seeds for violence.

'Great embarrassment'

Asked if Beijing needed to reconsider its "go west" policy encouraging the Han migration, Gao said China "should not deviate from the overall situation regardless of what's happening in Urumqi right now".


"It is a severe incident, it's a great embarrassment for us Chinese, but I think we need to continue because I think without stability, improvements of the living standards of the people in Xinjiang, including the Uighurs, will be out of the question."

According to Chinese state media, Sunday's clashes erupted after a demonstration against the government's handling of an industrial dispute turned violent.

Beijing blames Uighur exiles for stoking the unrest, singling out Rebiya Kadeer, a Uighur businesswoman who was jailed for years in China before being released into exile in the US where she now heads the World Uighur Congress, for "masterminding" the unrest.

But Kadeer, a 62-year-old mother of 11, has rejected the accusations, saying from Washington DC that they were "completely false".

Activists say the clashes started when armed police moved in to break up a peaceful demonstration called after two Uighur workers at a toy factory in southern China were killed in a clash with Han Chinese staff late last month.

Kadeer said the protests in Urumqi started peacefully.

"They were not violent as the Chinese government has accused. They were not rioters or separatists," she said.

She did, however, condemn "the violent actions of some of the Uighur demonstrators", saying she supported only peaceful protests.

 

[RPK]

Gordon Brown to warn G8 leaders of threat of second recession


At the Group of Eight summit in Italy, the Prime Minister will sound a pessimistic note about the economic outlook and suggest the limited recovery now under way is weaker than had been hoped.

Saying that the world economy is now at a "pivotal point," Mr Brown will list economic threats that could smother any recovery.

He will warn of the risks from falling trade and investment, growing unemployment and continued problems in the banking sector.

British officials are particularly concerned about oil prices, which have fluctuated wildly in recent months. Having fallen to $33 a barrel in December, oil is now back above $60, and some analysts predict big rises ahead.

Mr Brown will try to win support for new international market rules to ban speculative trading in oil, which officials say threatens to push up prices.

"We have to ensure the oil market does not get ahead of itself and choke off the global economy," said a British official.

At a meeting in France with President Nicholas Sarkozy on Monday, Mr Brown called for new market rules to prevent "undue speculation or speculation that is unfair in the oil market".

Mr Brown and Mr Sarkozy believe world leaders could try to set a "price range" for oil, attempting to set upper and lower limits within which prices could fluctuate.

Greater transparency and predictability in both demand and supply for oil could help smooth out peaks and troughs in the oil price, officials said. The summit should attempt to reduce such "information asymmetry" they said.

UK officials said they expect the G8 to give formal backing to the International Energy Forum, a body that brings together both oil consuming nations and oil producers.

However, they also conceded that trading on the international commodities markets also played a significant part in the volatility of the oil price.

In an attempt to address that, the G8 will debate moves towards common international standards on trading of oil futures contracts, hoping to force speculators and other investors to disclose more information about their positions.

Mr Brown said this week world leaders must "take seriously some of the warning signals that exist in the world economy".

In an interview last night, he added: "This is a second wake-up call for us. We have to deal with the challenge of resuming growth in the world economy."

The summit is being held in L'Aquila, which was struck by an earthquake in April, killing almost 300 people. The region has recently experienced aftershocks and the Italian authorities have prepared contingency plans for evacuating world leaders to Rome in the case of a major shock.

Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian Prime Minister, moved the summit venue to L'Aquila in a last-minute political gesture that has raised concerns about the logistics of the gathering.

Mr Brown, like other world leaders, will be staying in a converted police college building in L'Aquila.

British officials played down suggestions of "barracks" accommodation, saying they were satisfied that the college and other summit buildings had been brought to a suitable standard for the gathering.

Mr Berlusconi has faced criticism over his G8 role since his country has still failed to meet pledges to increase development aid he made at the G8 summit in Gleneagles in 2005.

To increase the pressure on Italy to meet such promises, Britain wants the G8 meeting to agree a new system of public "benchmarks" – regular independently-compiled public updates on how each G8 country is enacting the promises made at summits.

"There is a feeling that the credibility of the G8 depends on reporting on how it has done," said a UK official.

A senior British source denied a report that the UK is pressing for Italy to be kicked out of the G8 because of Mr Berlusconi's poor leadership. "The Italians have been very professional. We have no problem with them," the source said.

Continuing the trend towards larger and larger summit meeting, more than 30 heads of Government will actually attend the G8 meeting this week.

Tomorrow (THURS) the eight original members will be joined by China, India, Brazil, South Africa and Mexico, the "plus five" group of emerging economies.

Those nations have been at G8 meetings since 2006 and the L'Aquila summit is likely to assess their attendance and take another step towards making them formal members of the group.

On Friday, a group of African nations – Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Nigeria and Senegal – will attend for talks about food aid.

The G8 nations are expected to agree a new $15 billion fund to support the development of farming in African and other countries facing food instability. Britain will contribute $1.8 billion from existing aid budgets.

 

[Lockheed F-16]

Business
India boosts defence, agriculture spending LAHORE: Increase in defence budget by New Delhi is aimed at launching an operation in Indian tribal areas, a women rights activist from Rajhistan, currently on a visit to Pakistan, says.

‘We are not in favour of increase in defence budget, especially when more than 75 per cent of the poor in our country earn Rs20 daily,’ said Kavita Srivastava at an interactive meeting with Lahore reporters at the South Asian Free Media Association office on Tuesday.

There have been 150 or so troubled districts in India where Maoists have influence.

‘The increase is for para-military forces to control internal insurgency,’ she said.

‘Our tribal areas are rich in minerals and the New Delhi government’s move to hand over the land to big foreign and local companies is being resisted by the people. We too are going to have war against the people of India as such which will be very unfortunate.’

‘You have internally displaced persons and we fight for people displaced owing to projects,’ said Kavita who had been on her maiden visit to Pakistan to explore the possibilities to revive socio-cultural links between Rajhistan and Sindh. The focus of the peace process between Islamabad and New Delhi had been the Punjabs even though the people of Sindh and Rajhistan too share many things. ‘We are planning to hold a Sindh-Rajhistan conference in Hyderabad in November this year,’ she said.

Jatin Desai, another rights activist and free-lance journalist, said that releasing innocent citizens who cross border inadvertently could be the most effective confidence building measure between Islamabad and New Delhi.

‘None of the fishermen languishing in both Indian and Pakistani jails is a terrorist or spy. They enter either in Pakistani or Indian sea limits mostly during rough weather, especially during high tides. In September last year, judges of the apex courts of both India and Pakistan said in a joint declaration that such people should be freed or at least process for their release should be initiated. Ironically, no progress has been made and authorities of both countries merely exchange lists of such people on Jan 1 and July 1,’ he said.

During his visit to Ready Goth near Ibrahim Haideri, a fishermen village near Hyderabad, Jatin met an elderly woman who had been waiting for the return of her six relatives from an Indian jail for the last 10 years or so. ‘Some 24 residents of Ibrahim Haideri are in Indian jails. The matter should be considered from humanitarian aspect,’ he stressed while calling for some joint mechanism to combat terrorism.

Kavita also seconded the assertion of Jatin and said that as a goodwill gesture all such people should be released.

‘There are so many Pakistani people in Jodhpur and Jaipur jails who had served their sentences but had been languishing there. I know a man who was 11 years when he was caught. He is now 35 years with no hope of his release in near future,’ she said.

Social activist Dr Sandeep Pandey called for simplifying the process of visa between the two countries. ‘The visa system was enforced to check the movement of unscrupulous elements who don’t need visa and still cross the border without any difficulty. But the system creates a lot of problems for the general public.’

Proposing that both India and Pakistan should also reach an accord to minimise their nuclear arsenal on the pattern of the US and Russia, Sandeep said that after World War II only conventional weapons were used in wars against states.

It was the lack of trust that hindered both New Delhi and Islamabad to come closer and solve issues like Kashmir and water sharing, Sandeep said.

 

[NSG_BlackCats]

^^^ Any Link Sir?? Don't worry sir India is still spending less than 3% of it's GDP on Defence. The Credit outlay for agriculture for FY 2009-2010 is Rs 3,25,000 crore which is more than double we are spending on defence. So just Chill.

 

[Lockheed F-16]

Business
India boosts defence, agriculture spending LAHORE: Increase in defence budget by New Delhi is aimed at launching an operation in Indian tribal areas, a women rights activist from Rajhistan, currently on a visit to Pakistan, says.

‘We are not in favour of increase in defence budget, especially when more than 75 per cent of the poor in our country earn Rs20 daily,’ said Kavita Srivastava at an interactive meeting with Lahore reporters at the South Asian Free Media Association office on Tuesday.

There have been 150 or so troubled districts in India where Maoists have influence.

‘The increase is for para-military forces to control internal insurgency,’ she said.

‘Our tribal areas are rich in minerals and the New Delhi government’s move to hand over the land to big foreign and local companies is being resisted by the people. We too are going to have war against the people of India as such which will be very unfortunate.’

‘You have internally displaced persons and we fight for people displaced owing to projects,’ said Kavita who had been on her maiden visit to Pakistan to explore the possibilities to revive socio-cultural links between Rajhistan and Sindh. The focus of the peace process between Islamabad and New Delhi had been the Punjabs even though the people of Sindh and Rajhistan too share many things. ‘We are planning to hold a Sindh-Rajhistan conference in Hyderabad in November this year,’ she said.

Jatin Desai, another rights activist and free-lance journalist, said that releasing innocent citizens who cross border inadvertently could be the most effective confidence building measure between Islamabad and New Delhi.

‘None of the fishermen languishing in both Indian and Pakistani jails is a terrorist or spy. They enter either in Pakistani or Indian sea limits mostly during rough weather, especially during high tides. In September last year, judges of the apex courts of both India and Pakistan said in a joint declaration that such people should be freed or at least process for their release should be initiated. Ironically, no progress has been made and authorities of both countries merely exchange lists of such people on Jan 1 and July 1,’ he said.

During his visit to Ready Goth near Ibrahim Haideri, a fishermen village near Hyderabad, Jatin met an elderly woman who had been waiting for the return of her six relatives from an Indian jail for the last 10 years or so. ‘Some 24 residents of Ibrahim Haideri are in Indian jails. The matter should be considered from humanitarian aspect,’ he stressed while calling for some joint mechanism to combat terrorism.

Kavita also seconded the assertion of Jatin and said that as a goodwill gesture all such people should be released.

‘There are so many Pakistani people in Jodhpur and Jaipur jails who had served their sentences but had been languishing there. I know a man who was 11 years when he was caught. He is now 35 years with no hope of his release in near future,’ she said.

Social activist Dr Sandeep Pandey called for simplifying the process of visa between the two countries. ‘The visa system was enforced to check the movement of unscrupulous elements who don’t need visa and still cross the border without any difficulty. But the system creates a lot of problems for the general public.’

Proposing that both India and Pakistan should also reach an accord to minimise their nuclear arsenal on the pattern of the US and Russia, Sandeep said that after World War II only conventional weapons were used in wars against states.

It was the lack of trust that hindered both New Delhi and Islamabad to come closer and solve issues like Kashmir and water sharing, Sandeep said.

Source: Dawn News