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Indian democracy unfair to Muslims

Our democracy seeks to solve these pre-existing problems, and is not the cause of them.

Your prejudiced mind cannot relate an effect to its cause.

Indian society is in shambles, and it will take many decades of democratic rule to reshape it in a better way.

Pakistani society too is in shambles, but you don't seem to have thought out a solution to the problems. You are making them worse.

So for every society. YOur claim of seeking solution to these problems well well every government do so, so nothing new nor extra ordianry.

How many decades you need. The low cast Hindus are discriminated since thousands of years of Hindusim.
Hate against Muslims is also not new.
And now violence against Christians.


So it will do all of us good if you'd stop your incessant trolling.


Non of your business. Go and check your comments in the entire forum and find out how much trolling you have done so far.
SO leave it to the Mods who is trolling.
 
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Dear Jana ,
I think you dont understand the meaning of democracy ..may be thats why Pakistan is in shambles and will remain so .
Democracy is not a solution for anything .. but its a way to find solution ..
I hope you can understand this difference ..

As per you indepth understanding of Gandhi and Gandhism .. I can only feel pity for a system which produces minds full with hate and prejudice ..

I dont need a fake democracy like India has where thousands are killed by Hindu extermists Mr Logic.

Go to every forum on earth and you will see Indians full of hate and prehudice against Pakistan but not only against Pakistan even against own other Indians.

As if you forget the violence against North in India, AS if you forgot about the treatment of Biharis, as if you forget that Shopkeepers are forced to put Marhati sign boards.

One should feel ashamed to have system claimed to be put democracy and still producing hate and prejudice .
 
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So for every society. YOur claim of seeking solution to these problems well well every government do so, so nothing new nor extra ordianry.

How many decades you need. The low cast Hindus are discriminated since thousands of years of Hindusim.
Hate against Muslims is also not new.

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Lol you are stuck in your old world propoganda ..
its upper caste hindus which face discrimination now days heard of Mayawati ?

Hate against Muslims ??
from your views and the happenings all over the world its evident that its Muslims who hate every one else .

And now violence against Christians

Riots between diffrent groups is not the reflection of government ..the people responsible for it will be punished ..
but hey lets look at Pakistan

how about killings of Shia in Swat ?? or discrimination against Ahmadayias??
 
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I dont need a fake democracy like India has where thousands are killed by Hindu extermists Mr Logic

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Lol you dont want .. or you cant get .. Grapes are sour ..

Go to every forum on earth and you will see Indians full of hate and prehudice against Pakistan but not only against Pakistan even against own other Indians.

Unfortunatly I think the entire world find faults with Pakistanis .. 99% Terror attacks have either originated or have linkage with Pakistan ..
you get what you give ..

As if you forget the violence against North in India, AS if you forgot about the treatment of Biharis, as if you forget that Shopkeepers are forced to put Marhati sign boards.

One should feel ashamed to have system claimed to be put democracy and still producing hate and prejudice

Lol I am In Mumbai and I am a North Indian ..and you are as ignorant as a prejudice person can be .. no one is forced ..
 
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Our democracy seeks to solve these pre-existing problems, and is not the cause of them.

Your prejudiced mind cannot relate an effect to its cause.

Indian society is in shambles, and it will take many decades of democratic rule to reshape it in a better way.

Pakistani society too is in shambles, but you don't seem to have thought out a solution to the problems. You are making them worse.

So it will do all of us good if you'd stop your incessant trolling.

You still debating? I thought you gave up yesterday :angry:
 
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Lol you are stuck in your old world propoganda ..
its upper caste hindus which face discrimination now days heard of Mayawati ?


:lol: only one Mayawati and only on Kalam or only few Muslim actors dosnt not reflect the true esence of democracy specially in view of millions of Muslims, now Christians and Dlaits forever been discriminated and killed in India.

Riots between diffrent groups is not the reflection of government ..the people responsible for it will be punished ..
but hey lets look at Pakistan

Not different groups its always the Hindu Fanatics' group that starts the violence against others in India and every time the Indian government comes into action only when the otherside rises for defence and hence everytime the hindu fanatics are saved from damage.



Hate against Muslims ??
from your views and the happenings all over the world its evident that its Muslims who hate every one else .

Why is it ???

If what you called "all over the world" read the Neocons, the Jew, Christian, Hindu Zionists stop killing and attrocities against Muslims they have no reason to hate them.


how about killings of Shia in Swat ?? or discrimination against Ahmadayias??

:rofl::rofl: first learn the demography
 
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The boundaries of a country are not drawn everyday to pacify one agitating group here or there. Pakistan could survive as a nation and as an idea even after losing Bangladesh because it was created on the basis of a divisive ideology. On the other hand, India can survive as a nation but not as an idea if it allows another partition on the basis of religion. India is more than a country; it is an idea that must be defended and protected at all costs.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Opinion/Editorial/Keep_It_Together/articleshow/3413795.cms


:lol: the author is himself confused look at the above on the on hand he says India can not survive as an idea and on the other hand he says

India is more than a country; it is an idea that must be defended and protected at all costs.

:rofl:

BTW what is this Idea ????
 
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:lol: only one Mayawati and only on Kalam or only few Muslim actors dosnt not reflect the true esence of democracy specially in view of millions of Muslims, now Christians and Dlaits forever been discriminated and killed in India

Dear Ignorant Jana

There are millions of muslims and christians and dalits at senior positions .. there is more then 50% reservation for dalits and back wards .
and they are much much better then Muslims in Pakistan

Not different groups its always the Hindu Fanatics' group that starts the violence against others in India and every time the Indian government comes into action only when the otherside rises for defence and hence everytime the hindu fanatics are saved from damage.

Why is it ???

oh always Hindu ?? or just that you have been taught to see only fanatic Hindu .. No wonder ..
A flawed and biased education system produces ignorant zombies

If what you called "all over the world" read the Neocons, the Jew, Christian, Hindu Zionists stop killing and attrocities against Muslims they have no reason to hate them.

Yes I mean All over the world .. thats what the terrorist mind have produced ..

:rofl::rofl: first learn the demography

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Plight of Ahmadiyya in Pakistan

Persecution of the Ahmadiyya Community in Pakistan: An Analysis Under International Law and International Relations
 
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Dear Ignorant Jana

There are millions of muslims and christians and dalits at senior positions .. there is more then 50% reservation for dalits and back wards .
and they are much much better then Muslims in Pakistan

Correction. There are not millions of them. You have some "tokens" in high positions, such as the Indian president whose work is limited to cutting ribbons on ceremonial occasions. However he's trumpeted as an example of a Muslim in a high positions. The important test is not the "tokens" but the general population.
 
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The Indian President before becomming a President was a man who worked and developed India's missiles in DRDO. He also was extensively involved in setting up of India's space capabilities. He was involved and headed ISRO.

And need i remind you, before that-when he was a child-he was a newspaper vendor.

And he has risen to fame now because of his Presidency, there are thousands and millions like him-Muslims who are working for the betterment of this country in their own ways. You however are unable to see that.
 
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The Indian President before becomming a President was a man who worked and developed India's missiles in DRDO. He also was extensively involved in setting up of India's space capabilities. He was involved and headed ISRO.

And need i remind you, before that-when he was a child-he was a newspaper vendor.

And he has risen to fame now because of his Presidency, there are thousands and millions like him-Muslims who are working for the betterment of this country in their own ways. You however are unable to see that.

That's a nice speech. But it doesn't change the fact that firstly very few Muslims work in DRDO or whatever it is, and secondly that the only Muslims that do work there are the very capable ones who are much brighter than the Hindu Indians. It clearly shows Muslim Indians are as capable and perhaps even brighter than Hindu Indians for him to be able to do this. Yet Muslim Indians do not get the same literacy rates or employment rates as the Hindu Indian community. That does sound like discrimination to me.

But anyway, there's another thread for this. Back to the topic.
 
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Dear Ignorant Jana

:lol: :flame: burn burn i love it when Indians come up with personal attacks out of sheer frustration

There are millions of muslims and christians and dalits at senior positions .. there is more then 50% reservation for dalits and back wards .

:lol: Millions ??? Hmm provide us the proof that Millions of Muslims, Dalits and Christians are on senior positions in India .



and they are much much better then Muslims in Pakistan

Lets see ahh lets forget about those Indian Muslims who were alwats taunted to go back to Pakistan an anothertrend emerged.

Poor Biharis are also targeted and suspected of being Bangladeshis what to say about the recent violence against poor Christians by Hindu fanatics.


Plight of Muslim slum dwellers in Delhi
By S Ubaidur Rahman

Fire, fire, everywhere not a place to hide. Savage fire destroyed some 2000 slums on 25 November in the densely populated area of Yamuna Pushta. Around one fifty people were injured, seventy of them critically. Three have reportedly died so far. Five more are in very critical condition.


It is not the first time when this has happened here. The place is not in the outer world. Yamuna Pushta is in the very heart of the capital, Amchi Dilli. But it is a yearly ritual. It can get you unprepared. Fire of a bit lesser severity had destroyed some 200-300 slum units in the same area on 5 November. Two years ago, a more violent fire had destroyed almost the whole area. It had also killed more than fifty people, injured thousands and made shelter-less almost all.

A small spark suffices to set all the hutments on fire. And if the fire has erupted nothing can work here. No fire extinguisher can work here where most of the shanties are made of bamboo woods. Everything gets lost in fire that erupts from time to time. But these people stay put in the same place. Because they don't have a place other than this to go.

But none cares for them. These are the children of lessor god. Neither common populace cares for these deprived people nor the government. Not bothered to extend a helping hand to these people who are doing petty job for everyone in the Capital. These are people who cleanse the residential flats of big and mighty. Clean the road. Pick the rags from around their sprawling bungalows and the streets. Polish their shoes and perform other small duties.

But none gives a damn look to them. Neither the Jhuggi Jhopdi department of the Delhi government, nor other non-governmental organizations. 'Everyone comes to us when the elections come, they make great assurances promising stars, but none returns before the next rounds of elections' says Jabbar angrily. He adds that 'no one gives any attention to their plight'. They are uneducated, underfed, and neglected.

Most of these dwellers are Muslims, a number of them from Bihar and West Bengal. So these are always an easy target for the people who brandish them as Bangladeshi. These are sometimes called by the police officials and then starts a long ordeal for them. Muhammad Munir who belongs to Malda in Bengal says that 'people like him are always suspected to be Bangladeshis. They are easy targets when the campaign to oust Bangladeshi hot up.'
Shareef Ahmad, a social worker who is actively involved in the distribution of relief material for the affected people says that 'they are always suspected to be Bangladeshis. Even people from Bihar are sometimes branded to be infiltrators. Even after such a big fire no sympathy is being seen for people displaced in winter.'
Shamshad Alam who has been providing relief material to these people says that 'the apathy of government officials for these people stems from the fact that these people can not come on the street to agitate for this step-motherly treatment. They can not lose one whole day's earning by agitating on the street. And who will allow them to agitate?'

It is not only the fire that plays havoc with them. Even water causes no less damage to their petty 'dwelling units'. During rains too they have to search for other options. But as no options are available they have to continue living in their waterlogged slums. They with their children and spouses spend nights sitting in their 'houses'.

It is suffering every other movement. No concrete step has been taken for their welfare. Shamshad Ahmad says that 'instead of their welfare, efforts are made every other day to evict these people from their houses'. He adds that 'no efforts of relocating these people has ever been made'.

Educational facilities are almost non-available here. Healthcare is a big problem. Unregistered medical practitioners are scattered here, but very few registered doctors could be found. These doctors though charge a few bucks but play with the lives of these people. These people do not have any other option either.

This is not the story of Yamuna Pushta alone. Hundreds of such slums are scattered in the Capital, mostly inhabited by the Muslims. Trans Yamuna is another such big area where tens of such jhuggi jhopdi clusters are scattered. They remain deprived. Born in small shanties they also leave their children in the same shanties when they die. None knows them. These are the children of a ‘lesser god.’

Plight of Muslim slum dwellers in Delhi, The Milli Gazette, Vol. 2 No. 2


This is only in Delhi if you search for more Muslims are in shambles in entire India.

But again a country that fails to protect and feed its own Hindu low cast population how can it protect Muslims, the all time enemies of their.


oh always Hindu ?? or just that you have been taught to see only fanatic Hindu .. No wonder ..
A flawed and biased education system produces ignorant zombies

:) The Terrorist and fanatic Hindus only and the one who are struggling for their rights.
BTW what about Indian system that produces fanatic zombies like RSS, VHP, Bajrangdal members.





:lol: and this is going on in Swat as you said.

Awww much better than the bellow



Identity crisis: Converting back to Hinduism couldn't save his life
29 Aug 2008, 0245 hrs IST, Sandeep Mishra,TNN


PHIRINGIA (KANDHMAL): Gayadhar Digal paid the price for taking matters of religion in a communally troubled part of the state too lightly. He was born a Hindu and died a Hindu, but in between he proclaimed his liking for Christianity. This cost him his life at his native Kasinipadar village in Phiringia block of Kandhmal district.

On Tuesday afternoon, Sangh Parivar men, enraged over the killings of senior VHP leader Swami Laxmananda Saraswati and his disciples, attacked his house. Gayadhar, with his wife and son, ran for safety only to be hacked one km away in the field. Gayadhar succumbed. Raimati and Baisnab, a school student, are battling for lives in hospital. Attackers set ablaze many of the 350 houses in the village, with the Digals suffering the most: losing their breadwinner.
Why was the family targeted? The reasons offered by their relatives and villagers would shock even the stoic. "My uncle was a Hindu. I don't know why they attacked him and his family. Possibly, it was due to confusion over his religious identity," said niece Malati. Saroj Kumar Digal tried to clear the air. "All the Christians had left the village and moved into the jungle, fearing violence. The attackers perhaps mistook Gayadhar to be a Christian and vented their ire on him."

Why him? And a villager whispered: "He practiced Christianity for sometime, but was back to the Hindu-fold later. Maybe those in the mob who were from nearby areas, didn't know about his reentering Hinduism."


"The situation in Kandhmal is such that Christians have started claiming to be Hindus to escape communalists' rage. As such, it's difficult to ascertain religious affiliation of people. Many people, even after embracing Christianity, choose to remain Hindus in official records for SC/ST benefits," said a police officer.


Identity crisis: Converting back to Hinduism couldn't save his life-India-The Times of India[/QUOTE]
 
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The Indian President before becomming a President was a man who worked and developed India's missiles in DRDO. He also was extensively involved in setting up of India's space capabilities. He was involved and headed ISRO.

And need i remind you, before that-when he was a child-he was a newspaper vendor.

And he has risen to fame now because of his Presidency, there are thousands and millions like him-Muslims who are working for the betterment of this country in their own ways. You however are unable to see that.

:) This shows the loyality of Muslims towards India and in return what Indian minset gives them "Go Back to Pakistan" ouch does it hurt ?


Indeed there are millions of Muslim Indians who are working for the country but Hindutva mindset failed to respond in the same and unable to see that.
 
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:lol: :flame: burn burn i love it when Indians come up with personal attacks out of sheer frustration
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Ignorance is a state .. and truth cant be denied Jana ..

lol: Millions ??? Hmm provide us the proof that Millions of Muslims, Dalits and Christians are on senior positions in India

Well as a matter of fact .. its you who have to prove your allegation .. by facts ..

Lets see ahh lets forget about those Indian Muslims who were alwats taunted to go back to Pakistan an anothertrend emerged.

Poor Biharis are also targeted and suspected of being Bangladeshis what to say about the recent violence against poor Christians by Hindu fanatics.


Plight of Muslim slum dwellers in Delhi
By S Ubaidur Rahman


Plight of Muslim slum dwellers in Delhi, The Milli Gazette, Vol. 2 No. 2


This is only in Delhi if you search for more Muslims are in shambles in entire India.

But again a country that fails to protect and feed its own Hindu low cast population how can it protect Muslims, the all time enemies of their.

Milli Gazette ??? some people cant grow up ...
Slum dwellers have same life wether he is muslim , hindu or christian ..

but noo communal ignorants will have communal perception
 
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That's a nice speech. But it doesn't change the fact that firstly very few Muslims work in DRDO or whatever it is, and secondly that the only Muslims that do work there are the very capable ones who are much brighter than the Hindu Indians. It clearly shows Muslim Indians are as capable and perhaps even brighter than Hindu Indians for him to be able to do this. Yet Muslim Indians do not get the same literacy rates or employment rates as the Hindu Indian community. That does sound like discrimination to me.

But anyway, there's another thread for this. Back to the topic.

where do you get these stupid theories from?

Come out of your wishful thinking. That's why most muslim countries are backward (because of wishful thinking of one type or another). If some muslims are more interested in religious education no one can make them modern. But most muslims in India these days are forward looking and working for the progress of the country and thats without any discrimination!
 
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