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Indian Defence acquisitions council has okayed the purchase of S-400 long range missile systems


But west is offering you top of the line tech with TOT which they don't offer to anyone. West is ahead in electronics.

What is your problem Mr?
Our money ,our demands .Defence acquisition committee okeyed this purchase .So we will purchase that .It is our choice.
And we also have JV with west and Israel like LRSAM.It is also our choice .Our effort ,our choice and our money .
You dont need to worry about that.


But west is offering you top of the line tech with TOT which they don't offer to anyone. West is ahead in electronics.[/QUOTE]
 
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I think we have only deployed the radars for surveillance. These may be swordfish radar based on green pine. Whole system is not yet ready.

Missile shield is being deployed since many years. India's missile defense plan was established in 2006

DRDO, which has already conducted two interception trials, first in exo-atmospheric region at 48 Km altitude on 27th November 2006 and second in endo-atmospheric region at 15 km using Advanced Air Defence (AAD) missile on 06 Dec 2007.

2009
The interception was conducted March 6th at the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Wheeler island in Orissa with the two-stage Interceptor missile scoring a direct hit on a Dhanush missile at a height of 75 km. The Dhanush, a naval version of the Prithvi Missile already in use by the armed forces, was fired from a ship to a mimic a hostile target. Before its disintegration, it went to a height of 120 km.

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Akash has an effective range of 25 km, extendable to 30 km, but as hostile aircraft fire from long range these days, a layered approach is essential to neutralize them as far away as possible.

Akash is an all -weather, 24 x 7, SAM capable of remote or autonomous management with advanced Electronic Counter Counter Meassures (ECCM) capability. In the recent trials, conducted before IAF and Army observers, the experimental clutter created to stray it off its course, had no impact on the course of the missile.
 
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Deployment after 2020.

US is not willing to sell any ABM system to India.

Neither has it offered F-35 to India.

But there was news they offered partnership in BDM to India, and they have aggressively lobbied for sale of F-35 to India during MMRCA.

What is your problem Mr?
Our money ,our demands .Defence acquisition committee okeyed this purchase .So we will purchase that .It is our choice.
And we also have JV with west and Israel like LRSAM.It is also our choice .Our effort ,our choice and our money .
You dont need to worry about that.



But west is offering you top of the line tech with TOT which they don't offer to anyone. West is ahead in electronics.
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Good you opened up, same goes to Pakistan threads when Indians poke their nose to every topic which they hardly know about.
 
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But there was news they offered partnership in BDM to India, and they have aggressively lobbied for sale of F-35 to India during MMRCA.

BS.
US offered F 18 and F16 not F 35.
 
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But there was news they offered partnership in BDM to India, and they have aggressively lobbied for sale of F-35 to India during MMRCA.

Good you opened up, same goes to Pakistan threads when Indians poke their nose to every topic which they hardly know about.[/QUOTE]
Did I told anything about your acqusiition ?
Funny.
 
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Maybe S-300 but out own system is not ready.

In 1983, India initiated the Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP), leading to the research and development of a series of missile platforms from Prithvi to Agni. In addition to these offensive missile platforms, IGDMP also developed defensive missiles such as Akash Surface-to-Air Missiles (SAM). Akash was initially planned for air defense measures and equipped with a potential of conversion to Theatre Missile Defense System. Then, in the 1990s, DRDO started conceptualizing a missile defense plan for India. The actual transformation of Akash SAM into an anti-tactical missile defense began in earnest during this period.

The stated objective of this program was to develop a system that could intercept ballistic missiles with ranges of up to 2,000 km by 1997

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S-300 PMU-1 integrated air defence system for protection against missiles and aircraft and Smerch, the deadly multiple rocket launchers.
 
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Hardly the case. A strategic Air Defense/ Ballistic Missile Defense system has been a very old stated requirement of the IAF (almost as old as me). A lot of members here believe that IAF has S-300 BMD systems for defens of Delhi. Well, it turns out, there is a grand total of 1 source, Janes I believe, that explicitly has stated the visual confirmation of the said LR-SAM/BMD, that too in 1996-97,at Hindon AFB and apparently, that was for trials. The outcome was never released to the media. For all we know, there could be no S-300 SAM battery in India, or there could be 6 batteries, the original requirement as per IAF, all dedicated to the defense of the NCR region.

Given the rather long history of demand of such a system, sweeping statements such as yours need to be qualified by atleast a detailed opinion, if not an official suggestion. And SHORAD for the reasons suggested by you, fyi, is a requirement of the IA, not the IAF

Janes is not a credible source of information. There is no S-300 in india and for LRSAM India will move on the path of BARAK2/8 and BARAK NG. Why this rumor of S-400 is circulated by some of our Desi media because there is long pending requirement of SHORAD sam which is needed and S-300 is meant for the high altitute, hypersonic, recce fighter plane which only US has, so there is no requirement, nor does S-300 is capable of defeating cruise missile. Its S-400 that can be used against short range BM and Cruise missile but then Barak/spyder system is more promissing.

Sale of 36 jets have been agreed by both countries but PAF is not going ahead with it.
PAF is spectable for the performance of the J-10 and despite heavy funding China is not able to come up with the reliable engine with low MTOU.
 
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Where does it say that it is ready.

These are military secrets .

Cold war made us Indians to be more stronger .

India's missile programme can be stated to be an offshoot of its space programme, beginning 1967. Subsequently, in 1972, Rohini- a 560 two-stage, solid propulsion sounding rocket was developed and test fired, capable of reaching an altitude of 334 km with a 100 kg payload. India first launched its small 17-tonne SLV-3 space booster (300km/40 kg) in 1979 and thereafter successfully injected the 35 kg Rohini I satellite into near-earth orbit in 1980. By 1987, an augmented booster, the 35-tonne ASLV (4,000 Km /150kg in low earth orbit), which primarily are three SLV-3's strapped together, had begun flight testing.



May 98: The missile tracking/guidance system was installed at Dronacharya, set to work, tested and tuned, integrated with the launcher and rendered ready for firing the first missile, which was also by then completed by BDL, Hyderabad.

Jun 98: The first missile was fired from Dronacharya against a simulated target. Thereafter, 14 telemetry version naval missiles were fired on a variety of simulated targets, Chukar Pilotless Target Aircraft (PTAs)

Another missile under IGMDP development is the Nag, an antiarmor weapon employing sensor fusion technologies for flight guidance first tested in November 1990.

The Nag is a third generation ‘fire-and-forget’ anti-tank missile developed in India with a range of 4 to 8 km. Nag uses Imaging Infra-Red (IIR) guidance with day and night capability. Mode of launch for the IIR seeker is LOBL (Lock on before Launch). Nag was successfully test fired in August 2008 marking the completion of the developmental tests.

Nag is expected to be the first weapon of its kind to be inducted into the army by December 2009.
The Army urgently needs the more advanced Nag to improve kill probability as the missile using a high explosive warhead to penetrate the armor in modern tanks.
 
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Missile shield is being deployed since many years. India's missile defense plan was established in 2006

DRDO, which has already conducted two interception trials, first in exo-atmospheric region at 48 Km altitude on 27th November 2006 and second in endo-atmospheric region at 15 km using Advanced Air Defence (AAD) missile on 06 Dec 2007.

2009
The interception was conducted March 6th at the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Wheeler island in Orissa with the two-stage Interceptor missile scoring a direct hit on a Dhanush missile at a height of 75 km. The Dhanush, a naval version of the Prithvi Missile already in use by the armed forces, was fired from a ship to a mimic a hostile target. Before its disintegration, it went to a height of 120 km.

2008
Akash has an effective range of 25 km, extendable to 30 km, but as hostile aircraft fire from long range these days, a layered approach is essential to neutralize them as far away as possible.

Akash is an all -weather, 24 x 7, SAM capable of remote or autonomous management with advanced Electronic Counter Counter Meassures (ECCM) capability. In the recent trials, conducted before IAF and Army observers, the experimental clutter created to stray it off its course, had no impact on the course of the missile.
Wrong AAD/PAD/PDV are only technology demonstrator using the prathvi BM body its look more like the satellite killer. India have acquired two green pine radar from Israel and one from US as the part of the ABM. Despite DRDO claim to develop the radar based on greenpine and the rangeof 1500 km, the best greenpine radar range is 600km. For deploying ABM, India need to setup BEM ground based radar just like Taiwan did from Raeython U.S which cost around 3 billion. India needs to field IR sensor based on space, which can be provided with atleast more than 4 GSAT-7 which the satellite already have onboard. India need to setup the centralized all ground, AEW, and space based assets and setup its fire and control center, than we can say that India have sucessfully setup ABM shield.
 
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Wrong AAD/PAD/PDV are only technology demonstrator using the prathvi BM body its look more like the satellite killer. India have acquired two green pine radar from Israel and one from US as the part of the ABM. Despite DRDO claim to develop the radar based on greenpine and the rangeof 1500 km, the best greenpine radar range is 600km. For deploying ABM, India need to setup BEM ground based radar just like Taiwan did from Raeython U.S which cost around 3 billion. India needs to field IR sensor based on space, which can be provided with atleast more than 4 GSAT-7 which the satellite already have onboard. India need to setup the centralized all ground, AEW, and space based assets and setup its fire and control center, than we can say that India have sucessfully setup ABM shield.

You are stating nothing new but merely parroting the words of Mr Prasun K Sengupta,grow up now man.Or are you he??
 
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But India start looking west for advance LRSAMS so why S-400 which don't have advance electronics as western ones have???
Which LRSAM india is looking for WEST. US did offer us for PAC-3 but India is looking for the JV with the Israel for LRSAM and already invested and the product is BARAK2, BARAK 8 and BARAK NG

You are stating nothing new but merely parroting the words of Mr Prasun K Sengupta,grow up now man.Or are you he??
For that P.k sengupta's logic was right, we are not pakistan to fool ourself in patrioism.
If you still think that India have ABM shield than I am sorry, its not and there is lot of technological gap to be filled specially in radars, sensors, optronic, and engine development
 
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We are still testing the missiles.

We do have one of the best Missile technology and believe me DRDO, HAL and other Government owned defense industries do have the best scientists.

Wrong AAD/PAD/PDV are only technology demonstrator using the prathvi BM body its look more like the satellite killer. India have acquired two green pine radar from Israel and one from US as the part of the ABM. Despite DRDO claim to develop the radar based on greenpine and the rangeof 1500 km, the best greenpine radar range is 600km. For deploying ABM, India need to setup BEM ground based radar just like Taiwan did from Raeython U.S which cost around 3 billion. India needs to field IR sensor based on space, which can be provided with atleast more than 4 GSAT-7 which the satellite already have onboard. India need to setup the centralized all ground, AEW, and space based assets and setup its fire and control center, than we can say that India have sucessfully setup ABM shield.

Development of the anti-ballistic missile system began in 1999. Around 40 public and private companies were involved in the development of the systems. They includeBharat Electronics Ltd and Bharat Dynamics Ltd, Astra Microwave, ASL, Larsen & Toubro, Vem Technologies Private Limited and KelTech. Development of the LRTR and MFCR (Multi-function Fire Control Radar) was led by Electronics and Radar Development Establishment (LRDE).

Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL) developed the mission control software for the AAD missile. Research Centre, Imarat (RCI) developed navigation, electromechanical actuation systems and the active radar seeker. Advanced System Laboratory (ASL) provided the motors, jet vanes and structures for the AAD and PAD. High Energy Materials Research Laboratory (HEMRL) supplied the propellants for the missile.


PAD was tested in November 2006, followed by AAD in December 2007. With the test of the PAD missile, India became the fourth country to have successfully developed an Anti-ballistic missile system


Swordfish RADAR

Swordfish is the target acquisition and fire control radar for the BMD system. The LRTR currently has a range of 600 km (370 mi) to 800 km (500 mi) and can spot objects as small as a cricket ball. The DRDO plans to upgrade the capacity of Swordfish to 1,500 km by 2011.

Rajendra phased array radar which can simultaneously track 64 targets at a range of up to 60 kms. Both the weapon systems are to be ready by 1998
 
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Swordfish is the target acquisition and fire control radar for the BMD system. The LRTR currently has a range of 600 km (370 mi) to 800 km (500 mi) and can spot objects as small as a cricket ball. The DRDO plans to upgrade the capacity of Swordfish to 1,500 km by 2011.
OK Thats for the targeting and fire-control radar, then where is surveillance radar, where is Early warning Radar for Medium range BM

Rajendra radar for ABM against what ??
 
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OK Thats for the targeting and fire-control radar, then where is surveillance radar, where is Early warning Radar for Medium range BM

Rajendra radar for ABM against what ??

Till the 1990s the challenge was the meet the range and warhead carrying capacity for the missile. But from 2002 onwards the focus has been on accuracy of hit or hit to kill. This requires special technologies such as infrared and radio frequency seekers embedded in the missiles with high precision homing devices. Besides the ballistic missile defence, we have plans for a space-based surveillance radar system which could track any missile.

LRDE scientists have been always ahead of their time. Phased Array design, Engineering of hardware and development of PCMs for Multimode Radar paved the way to develop weapon control radar Rajendra for Akash Weapon System. INDRA-I, INDRA-II with Pulse Compression and Rajendra radars rolled out in this era of uncertainties and challenges.

The unprecedented growth of LRDE during the second half of the Golden Jubilee period is due to multitude of enticing or compelling scenarios. Needless to say that the design, development and delivery of INDRA series radars, followed by Rajendra Phased Array Radar, WLR, BFSR-SR, 3D CAR, ROHINI, REVATHI, 3D-TCR, BHARANI, ASLESHA, XV-2004 and still counting, is the true reflector of maturity of LRDE, not only in the mastering of ground based, airborne and ship borne complex radar systems, but also practice of concurrent system engineering, R&D � Industry Partnership and Professional approach to Technology & Project Management. The user�s unflinching faith has transformed LRDE as a force to reckon with. Many of such radars are now accepted or inducted by the users.

The present day quoted technologies such as Multibeam Antennas, Phased Arrays, Slotted waveguide and Patch arrays, High Speed Computing Programmable Signal and Data Processors, high purity RF sources, wide band coherent multi channel receivers, high power coherent transmitters find their roots traced back to the two decades spanning 1970 - 1990.


Rajendra Radar: Rajendra, multifunction phased array radar, is the primary sensor at battery level for Akash SAM system - an air defence system for the Indian Army as part of Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP). The radar has the capability to perform extensive search, track multiple targets and missiles, and to command and guide own multiple missile concurrently. The radar system, mounted on two tracked vehicles – Battery Level Radar (BLR) and Battery Control Center (BCC), is available to tactical forces for all types of operations with matching mobility. The radar has the flexibility to work in Group or Autonomous mode, and it has UHF communication facility to support Group mode of operation.

 
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