Indian court rules anti-Maoist militia unconstitutional

[notsuperstitious]

I know very well that the fu++ing sc can do anything as it is the highest in indian constitution.I also know that helicopter/UAV mounted thermal imagers and synthetic aparature radars can very easily pick those bastards up.Problem is that though the IA has these devices in plenty but CRPF has none of these sencors.So they have to solely rely on HUMINT and for that noone is better than the local SPOs.But the mother fu++er supreme court is against both the arming of militia and deployment of IA.So tell me how the poor CRPF soldiers gonna fight the maoists who know every inch of the jungles.Do their lives got no value to the fu++ing sc or are the soldiers who are getting killed or wounded everyday not indians????
Believe me man,the sc is being run by some son of prostitudes and those fu++ing morons should be hanged first.They are the biggest criminals of our country who are throwing so many valuable lives of our soldiers in grave danger.

So you would rather torch the house to smoke out the rat?

Also, Army has no magic wand. Nowhere on earth conventional armies can simply crush guerrilla warriors. Thats just not how guerrillas fight.

I'm more comfortable vicilians not weilding guns, and for reasons other than those mentioned by Asim.

 

[Omega007]

I think it is not wise to stop anti-maoist militia where they can handle maoist better than army. It will increase unrest in effected areas by turning down any anti-Maoist formation or decision of deployment army.

Exactly my view.But what can be done??Our so called super division benches of supreme court are ruining everything. bastards.

 

[Omega007]

So you would rather torch the house to smoke out the rat?

Also, Army has no magic wand. Nowhere on earth conventional armies can simply crush guerrilla warriors. Thats just not how guerrillas fight.

IA has got 3 entire divisions dedicated for jungle warfare currently deployed in north east.They are very well experienced and much better equipped than the CRPF.They have got a lot of UAVs and copters with high resolution SAR devices and thermal imagers.They can be extremely helpful in anti naxal operations.But our sc is against their deployment and also taking away the only HUMINT sources from CRPF leaving them in great danger.You can say all these because you have not lost anyone your own to them.

 

[notsuperstitious]

IA has got 3 entire divisions dedicated for jungle warfare currently deployed in north east.They are very well experienced and much better equipped than the CRPF.They have got a lot of UAVs and copters with high resolution SAR devices and thermal imagers.They can be extremely helpful in anti naxal operations.But our sc is against their deployment and also taking away the only HUMINT sources from CRPF leaving them in great danger.You can say all these because you have not lost anyone your own to them.

I've not lost anyone of my own, true. But my position in this is principle based. I've lost someone to a robbery, but that does not mean I want everyone to have guns. Thats counterproductive. So pls don't take this personally, or make personal allegations.

Whatever technology IA has, can be made available to CRPF without sending in the army.

Lastly, humint is the most important element in such a war, also three divisions are nothing compared to the area we will have to cover. Also, firepower is not the issue here, humint is the issue, and there army is least equipped.

Humint assets and armed militia do not have to be the same.

 

[Omega007]

I've not lost anyone of my own, true. But my position in this is principle based. I've lost someone to a robbery, but that does not mean I want everyone to have guns. Thats counterproductive. So pls don't take this personally, or make personal allegations.

Whatever technology IA has, can be made available to CRPF without sending in the army.

Lastly, humint is the most important element in such a war, also three divisions are nothing compared to the area we will have to cover. Also, firepower is not the issue here, humint is the issue, and there army is least equipped.

Humint assets and armed militia do not have to be the same.

I can very well understand what are you trying to say and idealy the humint elements should not be same as an armed militia.But the biggest problem here as I said before that almost all the local anti maoist villagers has lost their own or even their whole families.So they want revenge and are not ready to help the CRPF unless they are provided with arms and ammunitions for their protection and taking revenge.Now without the help of local militia it is next to impossible to even walk in the dence jungles.So the CRPF and state govt has been left with no other choice but to arm the tribesmen heavily to use them as HUMINT.And the SPOs have worked brilliantly in not only information gathering and as path finders but also fighting those bastards with the CRPF side by side.
By the way,a massive programme has been iniciated to train the CRPF jawans in jungle warfare with the help of IA and reequipping them.But it will take time.I told about army and air force because they can roast the cowards by raining them with heavy artillery,rockets,gunships and 1000 or 2000 pound bombs from strike fighters.This way the menace could be crushed very easily within less timeframe.
REGARDS....

 

[Vibs]

The problem with creating militias is that soon they will split into factions and start a civil war. Good decision by Indian court..army en proper should be called to take actions against the rebels. The validity of rebellion is not to be debated in this post.

I partly agree with you. Militias are always dangerous and to be honest non-constitutional in India. But end of the day, Maoists, though ignorant and misguided tribals, are our own people. The cause of tribal welfare when started was justified but has actively deteriorated into a messy situation. The situation now is that despite the sight of development, these people fear the democratic system. Both the Army and the IAF have mentioned that they would step in if asked but do not want to actively pursue the course of action.

 

[Omega007]

I think the government should consider to deplox the army and air force to tackle these maoists.They should seriousjy consider the idea to use nepalm,fuel air explosives and cluster bombs from IAF strike aircrafts against these bastards.I mean,if we can't kill them with guns lets burn them alive.By doing so,we can crush this damn rebelion within a matter of months.Besides army and air force can test their coordination and network cntricity and get the chance to perfect their tactics and strategy for future battle with outside enemies.But above all they will get the unique oppertunity to practise against live targets.I think they should not go waste this god gifted oppertunity to increase their skills.It will be a win-win situation for both GoI and the armed forces.GoI will be relieved from its single biggest internal threat and armed forces will get the chance to perfect their skill.

 

[Vibs]

I think the government should consider to deplox the army and air force to tackle these maoists.They should seriousjy consider the idea to use nepalm,fuel air explosives and cluster bombs from IAF strike aircrafts against these bastards.I mean,if we can't kill them with guns lets burn them alive.By doing so,we can crush this damn rebelion within a matter of months.Besides army and air force can test their coordination and network cntricity and get the chance to perfect their tactics and strategy for future battle with outside enemies.But above all they will get the unique oppertunity to practise against live targets.I think they should not go waste this god gifted oppertunity to increase their skills.It will be a win-win situation for both GoI and the armed forces.GoI will be relieved from its single biggest internal threat and armed forces will get the chance to perfect their skill.

I hate these guys as much as you do for all the attacks they carried out.
But it would be really demoralizing for the army and IAF. They have repeatedly said they are meant for external threats. Remember these are not "terrorists". They are tribals who think they are fighting for their rights against the rest of India. They are actually afraid of a civilized system because it's alien to them. The reason they are the biggest threat is because they are our own people and a lot of their demands are justified,albeit the means they use is unacceptable. These areas are still neglected for development. Local development and better equipped Special forces like the one set-up to hunt for Veerappan is the need of the day.

 

[Novice09]

Exactly my view.But what can be done??Our so called super division benches of supreme court are ruining everything. bastards.

@Omega…

Don’t you think that even after having strong paramilitary force, if a government is unable to curb the Maoist movement then it is a failure?

IMO we need better coordination between the state gov and central gov to deploy the forces effectively.

Personally I believe that the SC verdict is not good because Salwa Judum movement was keeping a check on armed Maoists and Salwa Judum activists are retaliating against the terror of armed Maoists.

 

[Awesome]

In India Pro and Anti no militia is allowed and Indian court has full power over what the state is doing. Can this happen in Pakistan? the court cannot rule what Pakistan army or ISI will do. Pakistani militias were used against own people for many years.

Which are pro Pakistani militias?

Yes Article 90 can be invoked, although its something very controversial. The SC can order anyone in Pakistan, superseded only by a parliamentary vote. But I agree that militias are a nuisance in the long run and uniformed personnel should only be used.

 

[Novice09]

I hate these guys as much as you do for all the attacks they carried out.
But it would be really demoralizing for the army and IAF. They have repeatedly said they are meant for external threats. Remember these are not "terrorists". They are tribals who think they are fighting for their rights against the rest of India. They are actually afraid of a civilized system because it's alien to them. The reason they are the biggest threat is because they are our own people and a lot of their demands are justified,albeit the means they use is unacceptable. These areas are still neglected for development. Local development and better equipped Special forces like the one set-up to hunt for Veerappan is the need of the day.

Naxalism is a very grave problem in India. Although the Naxaliets are Indian citizens but the menace and terror they are creating needs to be curbed. It could be done by talks (my preference) or by destroying them (if option 1 fails).

Bottom line - end naxalism

 

[Vibs]

Naxalism is a very grave problem in India. Although the Naxaliets are Indian citizens but the menace and terror they are creating needs to be curbed. It could be done by talks (my preference) or by destroying them (if option 1 fails).

Bottom line - end naxalism

I agree with ending naxalism. Problem is the interpretation of that sentence.

Remember Indira Gandhi's infamous "Gareebi hataon" which was translated during implementation to "Gareebon ko hatao"
Also "Hum do humare do" which overzealous local authorities in tribal areas decided can be imposed by sterlization.
Also who can forget the storming of the "Golden Temple" and the subsequent fallout. Sure the Khalistani terrorists were destroyed, but at what cost? These guys are not seperatists, they are ignorant tribals made dangerous with arms.

 

[Omega007]

Vibs,you are saying that these naxalites are indians and hence armed forces should not be used against them.Ok,then tell me,the poor CRPF jawans who are getting killed everyday-are they not indians?
My best friene who was skinned alive-was not he a indian??The tribals they are killing are they not indians??Or the soldiers' lives have got no worth for you??
I am not yelling at you.I am just asking a question.Imagine yourself at my place and can you still say what you said????

 

[Novice09]

I agree with ending naxalism. Problem is the interpretation of that sentence.

Remember Indira Gandhi's infamous "Gareebi hataon" which was translated during implementation to "Gareebon ko hatao"
Also "Hum do humare do" which overzealous local authorities in tribal areas decided can be imposed by sterlization.
Also who can forget the storming of the "Golden Temple" and the subsequent fallout. Sure the Khalistani terrorists were destroyed, but at what cost? These guys are not seperatists, they are ignorant tribals made dangerous with arms.

On bold part... they are killing their own brothers and sisters. How can we justify that?

As I told earlier, First we should have a dialogue with Naxaliets. Till now no serious steps have been taken by GoI in this regard.


On Indra Gandhi, I believe that Indra Gandhi was the best PM of India followed by Rajiv and Atal Bihari. Every thing has cos and pros. Indra's thinking was brilliant and for the betterment of India but poor execution and her autocratic nature leads to failure.

 

[Vibs]

Vibs,you are saying that these naxalites are indians and hence armed forces should not be used against them.Ok,then tell me,the poor CRPF jawans who are getting killed everyday-are they not indians?
My best friene who was skinned alive-was not he a indian??The tribals they are killing are they not indians??Or the soldiers' lives have got no worth for you??
I am not yelling at you.I am just asking a question.Imagine yourself at my place and can you still say what you said????

I am not saying don't engage them. CRPF is not well equipped to engage them. Like I said before, call in special forces. Not the army. I am not saying this to protect the naxalites. I am saying this to prevent demoralization of the army and IAF. If a special forces unit can be formed with 3 states in the south which effectively ended Veerappan and naxalite movement down there, there is no reason the same cannot be done right now.
Besides, not every tribal whois anti-Govt in these areas is a naxalite. It is extremely difficult to discern the two. Infiltrate, choke and destroy the right targets. Not blow everyone in sight to kingdom Kong.

On bold part... they are killing their own brothers and sisters. How can we justify that?

As I told earlier, First we should have a dialogue with Naxaliets. Till now no serious steps have been taken by GoI in this regard.


On Indra Gandhi, I believe that Indra Gandhi was the best PM of India followed by Rajiv and Atal Bihari. Every thing has cos and pros. Indra's thinking was brilliant and for the betterment of India but poor execution and her autocratic nature leads to failure.

I agree with you than execution is key. Dialogue happens when you have a party with clear goals and leadership like the ULFA or Hurriyat etc etc. These are tribals with no clear leadership or seperatist issue, but extremely organized and dangerous. I cannot and will not justify them. But till there are tribals present here on the verge of poverty and starvation with no ready social support system, there will always be plenty of recruits for the naxalites.