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Indian congressman calls for 'plebiscite' in Indian Kashmir

That's why Pakistan started with Kashmir. After all it's part of Pakistan

True. India is waiting for Pakistan to vacate the part of Kashmir under its control to be handed over to India before a plebiscite could be conducted. I hope you remember the UN resolutions on Kashmir? :D

A referendum could be a good thing for India if they vote to stay.

The issue is for more than three decades ,Islamic terrorists have indulged in genocide and ethnic cleansing of the non-Muslims from Kashmir.


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Source (Book) - Kashmir: Its Aborigines and their Exodus




On Jan, 04, 1990, a local Urdu newspaper, Aftab, published a press release issued by Hizb-ul-Mujahideen, asking all Pandits to leave the Valley immediately. Al Safa, another local daily repeated the warning.These warnings were followed by Kalashnikov-wielding masked Jehadis carrying out military-type marches openly. Reports of killing of Kashmiri Pandits continued to pour in. Bomb explosions and sporadic firing by militants became a daily occurrence.




Explosive and inflammatory speeches being broadcast from the public address systems of the mosques became frequent. Thousands of audio cassettes, carrying similar propaganda, were played at numerous places in the Valley, in order to instill fear into the already terrified Kashmiri Pandit community. Recalling these events, the former Director General of Jammu and Kashmir Police, Shri M M Khajooria says, “The mischief of the summer of 1989 started with serving notice to the prominent members of the minority community to quit Kashmir.



The letter said, ‘We order you to leave Kashmir immediately, otherwise your children will be harmed- we are not scaring you but this land is only for Muslims, and is the land of Allah. Sikhs and Hindus cannot stay here’. The threatening note ended with a warning, ‘If you do not obey, we will start with your children. Kashmir Liberation, Zindabad.”1




They signaled the implementation of their intentions quite blatantly. M. L. Bhan of Khonmoh, Srinagar, a government employee, was killed on Jan 15, 1990. Baldev Raj Dutta, an operator in Lal chowk, Srinagar, was kidnapped on the same day. His dead body was found four days later, on Jan 19, 1990, at Nai Sarak, Srinagar.The body bore tell-tale marks of brutal torture.




Night of Jan, 19, 1990





Though curfew was imposed to restore some semblance of order, it had little effect. The mosque pulpits continued to be used to exhort people to defy curfew and join Jehad against the Pandits, while armed cadres of JKLF marched through the streets of the Valley, terrorizing them no end.





As the night fell, the microscopic community became panic-stricken when the Valley began reverberating with the war-cries of Islamists, who had stage-managed the whole event with great care; choosing its timing and the slogans to be used. A host of highly provocative, communal and threatening slogans, interspersed with martial songs, incited the Muslims to come out on the streets and break the chains of ‘slavery’.





These exhortations urged the faithful to give a final push to the Kafir in order to ring in the true Islamic order. These slogans were mixed with precise and unambiguous threats to Pandits. They were presented with three choices — Ralive, Tsaliv ya Galive (convert to Islam, leave the place or prish). Tens of thousands of Kashmiri Muslims poured into the streets of the Valley, shouting ‘death to India’ and death to Kafirs.




These slogans, broadcast from the loud speakers of every mosque, numbering roughly 1100, exhorted the hysterical mobs to embark on Jehad. All male Muslims, including their children and the aged, wanted to be seen to be participating in this Jehad.Those who had organized such a show of force in the middle of a cold winter night, had only one objective; to put the fear of death into the hearts of the already frightened Pandits. In this moment of collective hysteria, gone was the facade of secular, tolerant, cultured, peaceful and educated outlook of Kashmiri Muslims, which the Indian intelligentsia and the liberal media had made them to wear for their own reasons.



Most of the Kashmiri Muslims behaved as if they did not know who the Pandits were. This frenzied mass hysteria went on till Kashmiri Pandits’ despondency turned into desperation, as the night wore itself out.




For the first time after independence of India from the British rule, Kashmiri Pandits found themselves abandoned to their fate, stranded in their own homes, encircled by rampaging mobs.Through the frenzied shouts and blood-curdling sloganeering of the assembled mobs, Pandits saw the true face of intolerant and radical Islam. It represented the complete antithesis of the over-rated ethos of Kashmiriyat that was supposed to define Kashmiri ethos.



The Pandits could see the writing on the wall. If they were lucky enough to see the night through, they would have to vacate the place before they met the same fate as Tikka Lal Taploo and many others. The Seventh Exodus was surely staring them in the face. By morning, it became apparent to Pandits that Kashmiri Muslims had decided to throw them out from the Valley. Broadcasting vicious Jehadi sermons and revolutionary songs, interspersed with blood curdling shouts and shrieks, threatening Kashmiri Pandits with dire consequences, became a routine ‘Mantra’ of the Muslims of the Valley, to force them to flee from Kashmir. Some of the slogans used were:



“Zalimo, O Kafiro, Kashmir harmara chod do”.




(O! Merciless, O! Kafirs leave our Kashmir)




“Kashmir mein agar rehna hai, Allah-ho-Akbar kahna hoga”





(Any one wanting to live in Kashmir will have to convert to Islam)




La Sharqia la gharbia, Islamia! Islamia!




From East to West, there will be only Islam




“Musalmano jago, Kafiro bhago”,




(O! Muslims, Arise, O! Kafirs, scoot)





“Islam hamara maqsad hai, Quran hamara dastur hai, jehad hamara Rasta hai”




(Islam is our objective, Q’uran is our constitution, Jehad is our way of our life)




“Kashmir banega Pakistan”




(Kashmir will become Pakistan)




“Kashir banawon Pakistan, Bataw varaie, Batneiw saan”





(We will turn Kashmir into Pakistan alongwith Kashmiri Pandit women, but without their men folk)




“Pakistan se kya Rishta? La Ilah-e- Illalah”




(Islam defines our relationship with Pakistan)




Dil mein rakho Allah ka khauf; Hath mein rakho Kalashnikov.




(With fear of Allah ruling your hearts, wield a Kalashnikov)





“Yahan kya chalega, Nizam-e- Mustafa”




(We want to be ruled under Shari’ah)




“People’s League ka kya paigam, Fateh, Azadi aur Islam”




(“What is the message of People’s League? Victory, Freedom and Islam.”)




Wall posters in fairly large letters, proclaiming Kashmir as ‘Islamic Republic of Kashmir’, became a common sight in the entire Valley. So were the big and prominent advertisements in local dailies, proclaiming their intent:





‘Aim of the present struggle is the supremacy of Islam in Kashmir, in all walks of life and nothing else. Any one who puts a hurdle in our way will be annihilated’.




Press release of Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HM) published in the morning edition of Urdu Daily ‘Aftab’ of April, 01, 1990.




‘Kashmiri Pandits responsible for duress against Muslims should leave the Valley within two days’.




Head lines of Urdu Daily, Al Safa, of April, 14, 1990.



‘With Kalashnikov in one hand and Quran in the other the Mujahids would openly roam the streets singing the Tarana-e- Kashmir.’


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From India's perspective, this war would not end with Kashmir as some Pakistanis claim. Indians in general believe that Kashmir is just a test bed for Pakistan.

The key issue is the modus operandi adopted by Pakistan. First the Muslim extremists have indulged in genocide and ethnic cleansing of the non-Muslims from the Kashmir valley and then they started the demand for merging with Pakistan.

India giving away Kashmir would encourage the establishment in Pakistan to use the same policy of moral support (Re: non state actors) in other places in India where there is considerable Muslim population. Kashmir model will be followed in Assam, West Bengal, Kerala, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Jharkhand, Telangana etc. This would gravely impact the secular fabric of the country and would lead to total disintegration of India and finally fall to Islamic rule again. This is the ultimate goal of Pakistan.

India giving away Kashmir would be equivalent as fall of Sindh 712 CE to the Islamic rule.

As they say

"Fool me once, Shame on you
Fool me twice, Shame on me"
 
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Pakistan barely have any force in Kashmir, just to guard LOC. There are no checkpost and ID checks in Azad Kashmir. No soldiers on the roads. Even police presence is rare to main business centers. Now compare this with half a million Indian occupied force wearing bullet proof vest to fight protesters.

I am talking right after 48 war. You did not withdraw your forces under what the UN resolution read, so dont complain about us not running a plebiscite.

Article 370 is now a completed matter and Kashmir is an internal issue for India.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...manent-rules-jk-high-court/article7749839.ece

We don't care where you claim you deploy forces, given things like this happen for everyone to see:

https://defence.pk/threads/shrinaga...slims-and-pakistan.440579/page-4#post-8494637

I won't even go into Baluchistan and Pakistan deployment of its army into FATA and NWFP for zarb-e-zab.

If you comment on our internal deployment, you are opening up yourself to the same topic as well.
 
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I am talking right after 48 war. You did not withdraw your forces under what the UN resolution read, so dont complain about us not running a plebiscite.

Article 370 is now a completed matter and Kashmir is an internal issue for India.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...manent-rules-jk-high-court/article7749839.ece

We don't care where you claim you deploy forces, given things like this happen for everyone to see:

https://defence.pk/threads/shrinaga...slims-and-pakistan.440579/page-4#post-8494637

I won't even go into Baluchistan and Pakistan deployment of its army into FATA and NWFP for zarb-e-zab.

If you comment on our internal deployment, you are opening up yourself to the same topic as well.
What surprises me that Indians refer to their local articles and laws like they matter. Kashmir is an international dispute between to nations. Nobody cares what Indian says about their local law. You go wherever you want, doesn't change the status of Kashmir. Pakistani forces are only manning LOC to keep an eye on Indian, not to occupy Kashmiri land.
 
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Kashmir is an international dispute between to nations.

Doesn't give you the right to challenge the legal and administrative framework set up in Kashmir that 65% of Kashmiris turnout for voting in each time.

Nobody cares what Indian says about their local law. You go wherever you want, doesn't change the status of Kashmir. Pakistani forces are only manning LOC to keep an eye on Indian, not to occupy Kashmiri land.

It doesn't answer why you didn't withdraw in 48 so a plebiscite could be run by the UN.

Seriously I wouldn't care who Kashmir chose since it would have settled things peacefully and cordially instead of being allowed to fester this long.

So maybe ask yourselves why you didn't allow the UN resolution to be implemented? It would have saved a lot of bloodshed, time and money.
 
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Doesn't give you the right to challenge the legal and administrative framework set up in Kashmir that 65% of Kashmiris turnout for voting in each time.



It doesn't answer why you didn't withdraw in 48 so a plebiscite could be run by the UN.

Seriously I wouldn't care who Kashmir chose since it would have settled things peacefully and cordially instead of being allowed to fester this long.

So maybe ask yourselves why you didn't allow the UN resolution to be implemented? It would have saved a lot of bloodshed, time and money.
Because Indian won't agree to it. Otherwise they wouldn't be wasting their billion in resources to supply half a million soldiers and paramilitary stationed in Kashmirs for occupation.
 
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It is sad .....
  • UKRAINE and other nations allowed to form new state exasperating from Soviet Union
  • Hong Kong returned to China as means of good gesture between UK and CHINA
  • SCOTLAND allowed to vote about their future by UK
  • Quebec allowed to vote if they would form a separate state by CANADA
They can just vote and decide their future instead of this bloodshed and nuclear danger

Brexit showed UK left European Union and there was no bloodshed or resentment people moved on
Sad, even Balochistan should be allowed to vote. What say?
 
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Those youth themselves don't understand what is their problem.
They were 5- 6 years old in 90s when they saw their father and Uncles tortured dead bodies. Women in their town raped. Illegal raids on houses. India hoped military crackdown will crush the freedom struggle. Instead it created a whole generation that is now bent on freedom. India could have resolved Kashmir issue and live with them peaceful like a neighbour. Now even if India leave Kashmir, they will have another neighbour who hate them.
 
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They were 5- 6 years old in 90s when they saw their father and Uncles tortured dead bodies. Women in their town raped. Illegal raids on houses. India hoped military crackdown will crush the freedom struggle. Instead it created a whole generation that is now bent on freedom. India could have resolved Kashmir issue and live with them peaceful like a neighbour. Now even if India leave Kashmir, they will have another neighbour who hate them.

There is some truth in this and majority of the human right happened in early 90's, but after than very few incidences. I would say the human right violations happened in other parts of India is much more than in Kashmir.

As on peace with Pakistan, India doesn't care. It is futile to expect peace with Pakistan. The root cause is religion, either Pakistan or India cease to be Muslim or Hindu then only you can expect peace.

And you haven't given the reasons why there should be plebiscite?

There problem is India I think the whole world can see that

So explain to an Indian why there should be a plebiscite?

See India is too powerful for world to put pressure on it. If you expect world to deliver Kashmir for you, you cannot be more wrong. If Kashmir has to go out of Indian union, it is because the rest of India let it go. The only other way apart from this is Pakistan to wage war and grab Kashmir.
 
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Indian Congressman = An Indian belonging to congress party :D



Exactly. I hope Kashmir, KPK, Baluchistan, Punjab, Sindh all get an opportunity to participant in referendums to decide their future.

It's really sad when people do not have these basic rights.
Sure we do that would u allow ur 7 sister state and many other states to go for this right .. even low cast hindu doesnt want to be with ur upper class mentality..
How ignorant u are to divert issue of Kashmir which is unfunished agenda between Pak and ind..
No one have right to humilate people of Kashmir.. they raise Pakistani flag in front of ur coward 700 thousand army now its their right to be with Pakistan..
I am sure khalsa's would love to take this opportunity to take revenge of golden temple.
History is harsh and it will hunt u harshly..

I want india to stay bz with what some indian called it nonsence issue..
Tejas started in 83 and in 2016 they still struggling.. cuz of humangas expenditure they spending to keep Kashmir with them..
Keep it up.. after 200 years later u be still beating the same drum.

I thought india is a democracy :o: Kashmir should have freedom to choose if they want to stay or leave india.
Yes big A&& democrazy india is.. watch how they treating their dalits..
They wont keep themselves united and i hope mody stay for 10 more years..
 
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