Indian claim over Gilgit-Baltistan baseless and contrary to historical facts, Shehbaz Khan Advocate

[WAJsal]

this year i will start my trip from chitral valley and then will go to GB via Shandoor pass then Hunza skardu astore deosai fairy meadows list is long this time

Nice, no Hunza? no worries, Shandur festival don't miss it. Fairy meadow is good too.

 

[Areesh]

And pakistan's opinion means jacksh!t to us. We go by treaties and agreements signed by competent authority, not the opinion of some incompetent third party.

Good. But you have to listen to our opinion since we are a party to this conflict no matter how much you deny it:

Kashmir is 'NOT' India's Internal affair | Chief Minister Omar Abdullah.

And anyways we would continue giving our opinion not only because we are party to this conflict but also because we want to communicate our support to people of Kashmir who are raising our flags and cheering for us in Srinagar.

Either Post Link or apologize for you calling your COAS statement a geedar bhabki

Either try to understand my post about geedar bhabki or stop quoting me.

My post was for Indian leaders. Do you consider my COAS as your leader.

 

[Sneaker]

Good. But you have to listen to our opinion since we are a party to this conflict no matter how much you deny it:

Kashmir is 'NOT' India's Internal affair | Chief Minister Omar Abdullah.

And anyways we would continue giving our opinion not only because we are party to this conflict but also because we want to communicate our support to people of Kashmir who are raising our flags and cheering for us in Srinagar.

Last time I checked, Omar Abdullah wasn't our PM. Only govt official statement matters, not any tom, dick and harry's. We can't stop you from giving out statement of anything but their value will be zero as per India's stand is concerned. Just don't cry and whine when we release statements of support to G&B, Balochistan etc who are demanding independence from you and asking for support from India...

 

[Areesh]

Last time I checked, Omar Abdullah wasn't our PM. Only govt official statement matters, not any tom, dick and harry's. We can't stop you from giving out statement of anything but their value will be zero as per India's stand is concerned. Just don't cry and whine when we release statements of support to G&B, Balochistan etc who are demanding independence from you and asking for support from India...

Just gave you a taste of reality. PM or not. Pakistan is a party to this conflict. Accept the hard fact or live in denial. Your choice.

You can give statement for anyone. But you can't do anything in GB since great majority of people of GB are with us and are loyal to Pakistan. While in Baluchistan you are not a party in any manner and your statement would be considered as interference in Pakistan's internal matter and would only help Pakistan's stance that you are involved in supporting terrorism in Pakistan.

You guys need to read and accept some harsh facts before coming to this forum to waste our precious time.

 

[Zibago]

But Kashmiris and Baltis perceive PAKISTAN just like the rest of the World Does !!!!

If you haven't noticed I AM A KASHMIRI

 

[Sneaker]

Just gave you a taste of reality. PM or not. Pakistan is a party to this conflict. Accept the hard fact or live in denial. Your choice.

You can give statement for anyone. But you can't do anything in GB since great majority of people of GB are with us and are loyal to Pakistan. While in Baluchistan you are not a party in any manner and your statement would be considered as interference in Pakistan's internal matter and would only help Pakistan's stance that you are involved in supporting terrorism in Pakistan.

You guys need to read and accept some harsh facts before coming to this forum to waste our precious time.

You are party just because you have illegally occupied our land, like a land grabber. That doesn't mean you can decide to whom does the land belong to, legally. Nobody has any question that it legally belongs to India.
Me too giving you a taste of reality. You can give any statement but can't do anything as majority of people are with us and loyal to India. We will support Baluchistan as we see fit and your considerations mean a big zero to us. We are party to it as people of Baluchistan are asking for our intervention. Heck, whole world is party to it as the whole place is a bigh human rights violation hotspot. Before you accuse India of terrorism in Baluchistan, you have to admit your state sponsored terrorism in J&K..

 

[Zibago]

you have to admit your state sponsored terrorism in J&K..

Jammu and Kashmir is disputed land Balochistan is not big difference

 

[Areesh]

You are party just because you have illegally occupied our land, like a land grabber. That doesn't mean you can decide to whom does the land belong to, legally. Nobody has any question that it legally belongs to India.
Me too giving you a taste of reality. You can give any statement but can't do anything as majority of people are with us and loyal to India. We will support Baluchistan as we see fit and your considerations mean a big zero to us. We are party to it as people of Baluchistan are asking for our intervention. Heck, whole world is party to it as the whole place is a bigh human rights violation hotspot. Before you accuse India of terrorism in Baluchistan, you have to admit your state sponsored terrorism in J&K..

You can call it whatever. Land grabber, illegal occupier. We are still a party. You don't like it. Good. But still we are a party to the conflict. You think you have legality. We have numerous reasons to negate that legality. Those accession documents are bogus to us for several reasons. After all we are a party to the conflict.

What you call as taste of reality is nothing but bullsh!t said out of shamelessness. You can support terrorism in Baluchistan but then again it would help us diplomatically. It would give us further moral weight to expose you as terror exporter to its neighbors. And is going to damage you further since you live in a castle made of glass. Would hurt you both diplomatically and in reality as well. As for your hilarious effort to make India and whole world a party to Baluchistan conflict, it is only laughable, nothing more, nothing less This petty attempt forces me to guess about your age. Seriously, how old are you??? You are not a party to Baluchistan no matter what pathetic logic you come up with. World would only laugh at these childish rhetoric of Indians like you.

 

[Sneaker]

Jammu and Kashmir is disputed land Balochistan is not big difference

Says who? For what? The according to us Baluchistan is also disputed territory...

You can call it whatever. Land grabber, illegal occupier. We are still a party. You don't like it. Good. But still we are a party to the conflict. You think you have legality. We have numerous reasons to negate that legality. Those accession documents are bogus to us for several reasons. After all we are a party to the conflict.

What you call as taste of reality is nothing but bullsh!t said out of shamelessness. You can support terrorism in Baluchistan but then again it would help us diplomatically. It would give us further moral weight to expose you as terror exporter to its neighbors. And is going to damage you further since you live in a castle made of glass. Would hurt you both diplomatically and in reality as well. As for your hilarious effort to make India and whole world a party to Baluchistan conflict, it is only laughable, nothing more, nothing less This petty attempt forces me to guess about your age. Seriously, how old are you??? You are not a party to Baluchistan no matter what pathetic logic you come up with. World would only laugh at these childish rhetoric of Indians like you.

You are only party to the land you have occupied. Only negotiation with you is when you are handing it back. If the instrument of accession is bogus, then whole document authorizing partition is bogus and all of pakistan belongs to us, how about that? You can say whatever BS you want, but at the end only things that can be supported by evidence matters in reality. And in that real world that we (dunno about you) live, instrument of accession is real.

Nothing would help you if we start supporting Baluch people materially, like you have been supporting terrorism in J&K. You are so down in moral black pit that only way you get to the moral high ground is when whole world turns upside down.India is not making whole world party to Baluch struggle for independence, they themselves are. As I said again, whole world is party to blatant human rights violation in Baluchistan, similar to Somalia or Chad..

 

[Areesh]

You are only party to the land you have occupied. Only negotiation with you is when you are handing it back. If the instrument of accession is bogus, then whole document authorizing partition is bogus and all of pakistan belongs to us, how about that? You can say whatever BS you want, but at the end only things that can be supported by evidence matters in reality. And in that real world that we (dunno about you) live, instrument of accession is real.

Nothing would help you if we start supporting Baluch people materially, like you have been supporting terrorism in J&K. You are so down in moral black pit that only way you get to the moral high ground is when whole world turns upside down.India is not making whole world party to Baluch struggle for independence, they themselves are. As I said again, whole world is party to blatant human rights violation in Baluchistan, similar to Somalia or Chad..

Well that is your assumption. In fact I feel whole of your position on Kashmir issue is based on assumptions. You talk with us about the territory that we have, again that makes us a party to this conflict. Whatever you do, we are a party. Lol. No matter what twist or turn you give, we would still be a party to this conflict. You simply cannot put us out of the equation of Kashmir. That is the biggest irony for you.

I don't think I need much to say about Baluchistan. It would definitely help us if you support terrorism in Baluchistan both morally and diplomatically. And even practically since we would respond in the same kind exploiting your various fault lines in your nation. You are not a party to Baluchistan like we are in Kashmir. No lame as$ explanation or excuse of you can make a party to it. That is irony number 2 for you. As for world being a party. Again the world with us. US, China and even Russia is with Pakistani government. the governments of all these big 3 support Pakistan's sovereignty on Baluchistan and obviously what a Bharati like you dreams on Baluchistan means sh!t in front of these countries.

 

[Sneaker]

Well that is your assumption. In fact I feel whole of your position on Kashmir issue is based on assumptions. You talk with us about the territory that we have, again that makes us a party to this conflict. Whatever you do, we are a party. Lol. No matter what twist or turn you give, we would still be a party to this conflict. You simply cannot put us out of the equation of Kashmir. That is the biggest irony for you.

I don't think I need much to say about Baluchistan. It would definitely help us if you support terrorism in Baluchistan both morally and diplomatically. And even practically since we would respond in the same kind exploiting your various fault lines in your nation. You are not a party to Baluchistan like we are in Kashmir. No lame as$ explanation or excuse of you can make a party to it. That is irony number 2 for you. As for world being a party. Again the world with us. US, China and even Russia is with Pakistani government. the governments of all these big 3 support Pakistan's sovereignty on Baluchistan and obviously what a Bharati like you dreams on Baluchistan means sh!t in front of these countries.

Nope, no assumptions here. It is you who is making false, illogical and plain absurd assumption. You still are not a party to J&K conflict (conflict by some people in J&K to separate from India). You have no locus standii there. That is entirely separate from attempt to recover stolen land by India. You are party to that "issue" and that issue only (it is not a conflict).
You exploit fault lines of our nation? How delusional is that? I mean, how many small pieces needs to come out of pakistan before you realize that in order to exploit your enemy's fault lines, you shouldn't have same, even bigger ones. You lost half the country for sanity's sake. Again, whole world is party whenever blatant human rights abuse takes place as happening in Baluchistan right now. Being a recognized power in the immediate neighborhood, India shares the concern. It doesn't matter who is with you (Russia? seriously?), truth only will triumph in the end. It is just matter of time before Baluchis get their rights and freedom. No major world power support sovereignty of Pakistan. They did not care in 1971, they do not care now. How deluded one has to be to claim US supports pakistani sovereignty? all the national birds, OBL raid, I mean, how many times they need to slap you on the face before you accept openly that they are bitchslapping you black and blue? I think you have realized this already, but too egoistic to admit in front of your "arch rival"

 

[Areesh]

Nope, no assumptions here. It is you who is making false, illogical and plain absurd assumption. You still are not a party to J&K conflict (conflict by some people in J&K to separate from India). You have no locus standii there. That is entirely separate from attempt to recover stolen land by India. You are party to that "issue" and that issue only (it is not a conflict).
You exploit fault lines of our nation? How delusional is that? I mean, how many small pieces needs to come out of pakistan before you realize that in order to exploit your enemy's fault lines, you shouldn't have same, even bigger ones. You lost half the country for sanity's sake. Again, whole world is party whenever blatant human rights abuse takes place as happening in Baluchistan right now. Being a recognized power in the immediate neighborhood, India shares the concern. It doesn't matter who is with you (Russia? seriously?), truth only will triumph in the end. It is just matter of time before Baluchis get their rights and freedom. No major world power support sovereignty of Pakistan. They did not care in 1971, they do not care now. How deluded one has to be to claim US supports pakistani sovereignty? all the national birds, OBL raid, I mean, how many times they need to slap you on the face before you accept openly that they are bitchslapping you black and blue? I think you have realized this already, but too egoistic to admit in front of your "arch rival"

Again assumptions. Looks like whether it is Kashmir or Baluchistan. You just have assumptions and your dreams to share with us. You think your stupid assumptions are some truth from the gospel that we should accept and believe in. Well guess what!! Nobody agrees with your assumptions and childish dreams. It is now up to you that whether you remain rest of your life in denial like you have lived till today or smell the coffee, accept harsh truth and live a life which isn't devoid of facts.

We are a party to Kashmir. Even when you talk about only our territory, you make us a party to this Kashmir conflict. Your bogus accession papers are simply not good enough to make Kashmir your internal issue. This is exactly why Kashmir is a disputed territory. This is the reason that border between Azad Kashmir and Indian occupied Kashmir is called Line of Control and not international border. This is the reason that you can't even remove article 370 from your own constitution. It is Kashmir that has UN resolutions on them. This all shows the worth of Kashmir's bogus accession with India and thus makes us a party to this conflict. You can negate to live in denial but I a Pakistani would continue shoving truth on your face. We are a party to the conflict of Kashmir. Live with it.

No more small part is coming out of Pakistan kid. If you think it is possible, try it. I don't need further on something lame as this one. As for Baluchistan. Neither your country nor the world is a party. Everyone including your country have no other choice but to accept our sovereignty on our province. That again is a hard fact but you have no other choice but to accept. it. And yes if you would support terrorism inside our territory then Yes it would help us diplomatically and would hurt you physically when we would exploit your fault lines in response to your export and sponsorship of terrorism. You have fault lines and you have many of them. And when I say fault lines I exclude Kashmir since obviously it doesn't belong to you. I repeat again to bring you out of your dreams. As of 6-June-2015 neither India nor any other country is party to problems related to our province of Baluchistan. And nor would be in foreseeable future. India can have the concern it wants to but that won't make it party to our internal affairs and hence is in no position to explicitly support terrorism in Baluchistan. As for Russia. I say again. YES. It respects our sovereignty on Baluchistan province. Might be hard for you to hear something like this from your major but then again this is the truth. They have nothing to do with any problem inside our province. Drones which according to many experts and sources are a mutual operation of USA and Pakistan and OBL raid which again according to Seymor Hersh was conducted with Gen Kayani's consent doesn't prove anything. The USA respects Pakistan's sovereignty on Baluchistan as of today. And would continue to do so in the future too since our relations with America are at an upward spike. Even if we assume like you that drones and OBL raid were done with Pakistan's consent, even then they don't happen in Baluchistan. 1971 is long gone. It is 2015. Wonder how many deaths of Indian soldiers on LOC you need to understand this simple fact.

And in the end again you assuming that I agree with your loads of bullsh!t. Again an assumption. Really?? A person who lives in denial, who lives with his stupid assumptions and dreams, who has very poor knowledge of geopolitics, geography and history should be the last one to change my realization.

And yes. I agree with you on one thing. Truth would triumph. Those heroes raising Pakistani flag in Srinagar would surely triumph.

@DESERT FIGHTER

Hey bro. Check this bharati. You might have seen many delusional fools from the east, but this kid is just on another class of being delusional and denial. Do read his posts for a good laugh.

 

[Jaanbaz]

from the Maharaja J & K over the area since its illegal and forcible occupation in 1865. Gilgit Baltistan never remained part of Kashmir rather became part of State of Jamu & Kashmir as a result of forcible occupation by the Mahraja J & K in 1865

Tell that to idiots across the border.

 

[Spectre]

Is it too much to hope that India and Pakistan will come to their senses and formalize the LOC as international boundary. Despite what we might like to believe in India and Pakistan that one day we are gonna take back the whole Kashmir it ain't gonna happen. Nuclear Deterrence is too strong and all the posturing is just wind in the air.

 

[Sneaker]

Hey bro. Check this bharati. You might have seen many delusional fools from the east, but this kid is just on another class of being delusional and denial. Do read his posts for a good laugh.

LOL for that. Is it kind of habit of your nation as a whole to run to big brother whenever things get hot? be it in a debate or war?