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This is the latest I could get on the ITER project. Not very encouraging though!


An international plan to build a nuclear fusion reactor is being threatened by rising costs, delays and technical challenges.

Emails leaked to the BBC indicate that construction costs for the experimental fusion project called Iter have more than doubled.

Some scientists also believe that the technical hurdles to fusion have become more difficult to overcome and that the development of fusion as a commercial power source is still at least 100 years away.

At a meeting in Japan on Wednesday, members of the governing Iter council reviewed the plans and may agree to scale back the project.

'Size of a battleship'

On a windy construction site in the south of France, the lofty scientific goal of developing nuclear fusion as a power source is starting to take on a more substantial form.

Covering an area of more than 400,000 square metres, workers have built a one-kilometre-long earthen platform on which the experimental reactor will sit.

"This is going to be the world's biggest science experiment," says Neil Calder, Iter's head of communications.

"This is a vast global project to show the scientific feasibility of fusion as a limitless source of energy.

"On top of this platform we are going to build 130 buildings. The main building will contain the Iter machine itself.

"It will be huge - the size of the Arc de Triomphe in Paris - and it'll weigh about the same as a battleship - 36,000 tonnes of metal and instrumentation."

Controlling fusion

Iter was formally launched in 2006 as collaboration between the European Union, the United States, Russia, Japan, China, India and South Korea. The plan was to build the world's most advanced fusion experiment within 10 years for a budget of $6bn (£3.6bn).

But the grand scheme has been dogged by soaring costs caused by more expensive raw materials and increases in staff numbers. Emails seen by the BBC indicate that the total price of constructing the experiment is now expected to be in excess of $16bn (£10bn).

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Professor Sebastien Balibar is research director for the French national research laboratory in Paris. He says that if the rising price of Iter is met by cutting back other research programmes that would be a disaster for science.

"If Iter is built on money having to do with energy or oil, that is perfectly good, I hope it works and in one hundred years I hope we know how to control a fusion reaction. But if it is taken from the public support of research in physics or biology then I would be very upset," says Professor Balibar.

'Different road'

Costs are not the only problem; Iter is also beset by huge technical challenges.

Fusion takes place when a superheated gas called a plasma reaches a stage called ignition, where hydrogen atoms start to fuse with each other and release large amounts of energy. Iter aims to achieve this but only for a few minutes at a time.

MIT professor Bruno Coppi has been working on fusion research in Italy and the United States for many decades. He believes that Iter is the wrong experiment; it is too costly, will take too long and may not deliver fusion. He says we should be looking at other options.

"We are pressed for time, the climate situation is worse. I think we should go with a faster line of experiments. Iter should admit its limitations and it will give a limited contribution to fusion, but to get to ignition you need to follow a different road," he says.

Another huge hurdle is how to contain gases that are 10 times hotter than the Sun. The materials required simply haven't been invented yet.

Professor Balibar explained: "The most difficult problem is the problem of materials. Some time ago I declared that fusion is like trying to put the Sun in a box - but we don't know how to make the box.

"The walls of the box, which need to be leak tight, are bombarded by these neutrons which can make stainless steel boil. Some people say it is just a question of inventing a stainless steel which is porous to let these particles through; personally I would have started by inventing this material."

Failure a possibility

In Provence, the scientists working on Iter say they have faith that the project will deliver the most effective path to fusion.

Dr Norbert Holtkamp is the man tasked with building the machine.

"Iter is a step that will demonstrate whether fusion is viable. But whether it is easy then depends on the cost of energy at that time on the cost of oil, but certainly Iter has the potential.

Dr Holtkamp recognises that Iter is a scientific experiment - and as such it has the possibility of failure.

"Any project can fail, especially if it's one of a kind or the first of its kind. It would be irresponsible for any scientist or project manager to say that in a science project it cannot fail."

Long-term plan

The rising costs of construction and technical challenges are to be reviewed at a meeting of the Iter council in Japan on Wednesday and Thursday. It is possible that by the end of this year, a new scaled-down version of Iter will be agreed.

Dr Holtkamp says the view that the project is to be scaled down is wrong.

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"Fusion is not going to be the alternative in the next 20, 30 or 40 years, that is correct. But there needs to a long term plan; 40 years is little more than a generation. We need to think about the next generation and the many after that."

Professor Balibar says that the end result of the ballooning costs and increasing technical challenges will be a further slowing of the path to fusion.

"The consequence of all these difficulties is that it's not going to be tomorrow that one succeeds with fusion. But the energy problem and the climate problem are urgent," he says.

"The global warming is now - one needs to find a solution immediately, one cannot wait 100 years. The solution to the climate and energy problem is not Iter, (it) is not fusion."

While fusion offers a long-term hope of securing energy supplies, the changing climate and the pressing need for greener energy may ensure that renewables get greater political support in the short to medium term.

Ultimately fusion may be a technological dream that is just too hard to turn into reality. And Iter, in a beautiful setting in the south of France, may become the graveyard of a good but impossible idea.

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Fusion falters under soaring costs
 
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Friday, June 26, 2009

Washington (PTI): India is likely to announce locations for two nuclear power plants, which would be made available to the American companies, during US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's visit to New Delhi next month, Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Robert Blake has said.

Ms. Clinton is scheduled to visit India next month, which officials of the Obama Administration say would be the launching pad to take the Indo-US relationship to a new level in the next few years. Dates of her visit have not been announced yet.

"We hope, at that time, that the Indians will be in a position to announce where nuclear parks -- we hope to have two sites that would be announced, where American companies can go in and provide new reactors, which would be a major source of new business opportunities for American companies," Mr. Blake said on Thursday.

Mr. Blake was responding to a question from Congressman Joe Wilson about the latest status of the Indo-US civilian nuclear agreement, which was inked between the two counties last year.

"We are making a great deal of progress. We are most of the way there now. India, as you know, just signed their additional protocol, and now they have got to file with the IAEA (international Atomic Energy Agency) the list of their safeguarded facilities," Mr. Blake said.

The Hindu News Update Service
 
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I am guessing one in MP and one in Rajasthan.
What do you think.?

So tell me something..How will the nuclear fuel be transported to the Nuclear facilities.?
By Air or Road ?
 
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I guess through sea.So nuclear plants should be in Tamilnadu, Keral, Maharastra and Gujrat.
 
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As requested the thread is created for Indian Civil Nuclear News & Discussions.

This is not good news for Pakistan..
is Pakistan govt. also seeking similar agreement for it self?
 
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Mon Jul 20, 2009

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - The United States and India said on Monday they had agreed on a defence pact that takes a major step towards allowing the sale of sophisticated U.S. arms to the South Asian nation as it modernises its military.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Delhi had also approved two sites for U.S. companies to build nuclear power plants, offering American companies the first fruits of last year's landmark U.S.-India civil nuclear cooperation pact.

The announcements gave Clinton tangible accomplishments as she ended a trip to India designed to deepen ties and to demonstrate U.S. President Barack Obama's commitment to India's emergence as a player on the global stage.

In a clear gesture of U.S. favour, Clinton said that Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had accepted her invitation to make a state visit to Washington on Nov. 24 in what would be the first such visit by a foreign leader under Obama.

The centrepiece of the visit was the announcement that the two sides reached an "end-use monitoring" pact that Clinton said would pave the way to broader defence cooperation.

Required by U.S. law for the sale of sophisticated weapons systems, the pact would let Washington check that India was using any arms for the purposes intended and was preventing the technology from leaking to others.

India is expected to spend more than $30 billion over the next five years on upgrading its largely Soviet-made arsenal, roughly a third of which will be a contract to buy 126 multi-role fighters.

That could prove a boon to U.S. companies like Lockheed Martin Corp and Boeing Co.

The two companies are competing with Russia's MiG-35, France's Dassault Rafale, Sweden's Saab JAS-39 Gripen and the Eurofighter Typhoon, made by a consortium of British, German, Italian and Spanish firms.

SHOWING CONTINUITY

The defence pact, unveiled by Indian External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna and Clinton, was not formally signed because it takes the form of agreed language to be included in contracts for future defence sales, a U.S. official said.

Speaking at a joint news conference, Clinton stressed Obama's desire to follow the path of former U.S. Presidents Bill Clinton, her husband, and George W. Bush in building strong U.S.-India ties.

"We will work not just to maintain our good relationship, but to broaden and deepen it," she said.

Analysts said both countries wanted to dispel any belief that the Obama administration might have neglected India in its early months, especially as it focused on getting Pakistan's military to battle insurgents on its western border with Afghanistan.

"Clearly both sides have made their own effort to show continuity from the Bush era, even though significant differences of opinion remain on climate change, disarmament, non-proliferation and Iran," said Siddharth Varadarajan, strategic affairs editor of The Hindu newspaper.

"This is clearly a response from Washington to the perception in Delhi that the U.S. had forgotten India," he added.

Analysts also said the civil nuclear deal reached last year was a harbinger of closer ties.

U.S. officials estimate that the two nuclear sites represent up to $10 billion in business for U.S. nuclear reactor builders such as General Electric Co. and Westinghouse Electric Co, a subsidiary of Japan's Toshiba Corp.

"This proximity between America and India, as seen in the nuclear deal also, was very much on the cards," said independent analyst Amulya Ganguli. "India and America will move increasingly close together."

India, U.S. say agree nuclear sites, defence pact | Top News | Reuters
 
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New Delhi (IANS): India and the United States Monday reaffirmed their commitment to the bilateral civil nuclear deal, with India providing two sites for nuclear parks to be set up by American companies.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was also invited to visit the US in November.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton conveyed President Barack Obama's invitation to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to visit the US. "As a sign of the importance of the relationship to the United States, I was pleased to extend an invitation to Prime Minister Singh from President Obama who invited him on Nov 24 for the first state visit of our new administration," Clinton said during a press conference here.

On the penultimate day of her five-day visit to India, Ms. Clinton met with her Indian counterpart, External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna for talks in the evening in Hyderabad House, after which they jointly addressed the press.

Ms. Clinton said that she “affirmed the Obama administration's strong commitment to completing all the remaining elements of our civil nuclear deal”.

The statement would certainly clear India's apprehension that the statement by the G-8 in Italy that enrichment and nuclear reprocessing technology should not be passed on to non-signatories of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, would pose an obstacle in the implementation of the civil nuclear deal.

“we have just completed a civil nuclear deal. If it done through proper channels and safeguarded, then it is appropriate,” she asserted.

Ms. Clinton also said that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had told her that sites for two nuclear parks by American companies have been “approved by the government”.

“These parks will advance the aims of the US India civil nuclear agreement facilitating billions of dollars in US reactor exports and create jobs in both countries, as well as generate much needed energy for the Indian people,” she said.

The US secretary hoped that India will soon implement a civil liability legislation to “enable our US companies to seize these important opportunities”.

Earlier, US and India reached three agreements to help pave the way for increased parntership in defence, space and science and technology.

The agreements include one for end-user monitoring, which Clinton, said would lead to “greater defence cooperation”. Besides, a technology safeguards agreement to help commercial partnerships in space and a science and technology deal were also finalised.

The Hindu News Update Service
 
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With the French.. it is in the process.

France is competing with US for the nuclear reactors i guess....
And Who gave France the right to sell the nuclear fuel without any NSG waiver and also Pakistan is not a NPT state...

India has being granted an exception because of US pressure...

Pakistan would have to sign NPT, CTBT and other sorts of deals........
 
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India commits Rs 180k cr to nuclear trade




India is committing Rs 1,80,000 crore for the production of 30,000 Mw of nuclear power by three countries — Russia, France and the US — a significant bait that New Delhi has cast in the interests of gaining access to sensitive Enrichment and Reprocessing technologies (ENR) and stabilising its fears over energy insecurity.


Meanwhile, the government is aiming to hand over its separation plan of safeguarded nuclear facilities to the International Atomic Energy Agency towards the end of this month, to assuage US concerns that these plants will only use sensitive ENR technologies to reprocess spent fuel from these plants.

NUCLEAR POWER: WHO’S DOING WHAT
RUSSIA
* Atomstroi, a fully state-owned undertaking, to manufacture four reactors of 1,200 Mw each (in addition to two that were already being built in Kudankulam, Tamil Nadu)
* Deal also talks of a “future site” for more reactors
FRANCE
* Areva, in which the French govt holds about 84%, will first build two nuclear reactors of 1,650 Mw each, going up to six reactors, at Jaitapur in Maharashtra.
* Areva has also promised a lifetime of fuel supply for the reactors
US
* PM commits to buy 10,000 Mw of civil nuclear power from US companies
* Nikkei reports that Westinghouse Electric Co, owned by Toshiba Corp, and GE-Hitachi, are likely to win the US contracts

After a five-day visit to India, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is flying to Thailand to participate in meetings with the Association of the South-East Asian Nations (Asean), with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s commitment to buy 10,000 Mw of civil nuclear power from US companies ringing in her ears.

While the two sites in Gujarat and Andhra Pradesh that are being allocated to the US companies have not been named, they are expected to be based in Saurashtra in Gujarat and either Kowada or Pulivendula in Andhra Pradesh.

Meanwhile, according to a Nikkei newspaper report from Tokyo, Westinghouse Electric Co, owned by Toshiba Corp, and the joint venture GE-Hitachi, are likely to win the US contracts

Since the US companies are significantly Japanese-owned, and the Japanese public remains enormously sensitive to nuclear matters, the issue of reprocessing spent fuel will have to be addressed before the US-Japanese companies can set up shop in India.

India’s civil nuclear market was thrown open after the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) gave India a “clean exemption” to conduct nuclear trade worldwide last September. But despite a G-8 statement in Italy last week preventing countries who have not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) — like India — from accessing sensitive ENR technologies, Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee stated that India was not unduly concerned since it was going ahead with separate agreements with countries like France and Russia. So far, India has committed to buy 10,000 Mw each from India, Russia and France and hopes that the nuclear reactors will materialise in the next 25 years.

Besides the deals with Russia and France, framework nuclear agreements with Canada and the UK are on the cards. A pact with Kazakshtan, on the supply of nuclear fuel and technology was signed when Kazakh president Nursultan Nazarbayev came to Delhi as chief guest for the Republic Day celebrations.

All three nuclear trade pacts, including the one with the US, have varying degrees of private participation, with the state-owned Nuclear Power Corporation of India (NPCIL) being the end-user in each case.

The Indo-Russian inter-governmental agreement, signed when Russian president Dmitry Medvedev came to Delhi in December 2008, commits Atomstroi, a fully state-owned undertaking, to manufacture four reactors of 1,200 Mw each (in addition to the two that were already being built) in Kudankulam, Tamil Nadu.

The Indo-Russian agreement also talks of a “future site” for additional reactors that has not been identified so far.

With France, Areva, a French company with an overall government stake of about 84 per cent, will first build two European Pressurised Reactors nuclear reactors of 1,650 Mw each, going up to six reactors, at Jaitapur in Maharashtra. Areva has also promised a lifetime of fuel supply for the reactors.

Areva chairman Arthur de Montalembert, in an email, refused to answer questions relating to income, profit and revenue, citing a confidentiality clause with NPCIL.

In February, India also promised to buy 2,000 tonnes of nuclear fuel worth $700 million from Russia to power its fuel-starved indigenous reactors, of which the first instalment has arrived last week. Last December, India also committed to buy 300 tonnes of nuclear fuel from France.

Link:

business-standard.com/india/news/india-commits-rs-180k-cr-to-nuclear-trade/364565/
 
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Monday, August 3, 2009

Kalpakkam (TN) (PTI): India is expected to achieve self-sufficiency in uranium production to feed its existing nuclear power projects and proposed plants by 2013, Atomic Energy Commission Chairman Anil Kakodkar said on Sunday.

With the Jadugoda Uranium mill in Jharkhand expanded and the proposed expansion of Turamdih mill expected to be over next year, uranium production would go up.

Besides, exploration of uranium is underway at Tummalapalle in Andhra Pradesh and it is expected to go on stream by 2013, he told reporters here.

Mr. Kakodkar was here on the occasion of five years of the propellant reaction project at the Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research attaining criticality.

"We are also working to explore uranium at Gogi near Gulbarga in Karnataka," he said and expressed the hope that a proposed project at Meghalaya would also be cleared soon.

With the completion of proposed projects, the country would overcome shortage of uranium by 2013.

Stating that the existing reactors were of world class, Mr. Kakodkar said, "We will also put in continuous efforts to further improve their performance through our research and development team."

Centre had given approval, in principle, for setting up a 4X700 MW nuclear power reactor unit. "We want to quickly get (final) approval and start constructing these projects. There are also plans to set up another 4x700 MW power unit," he said but did not divulge details.
 
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India to build four more nuclear power reactorss

CHENNAI: Atomic Energy Commission Chairman Anil Kakodkar here said that India would build four 700-megawatt nuclear power units
shortly.

Talking to reporters here on Sunday, Kakodkar said, ""We are looking forward to launching new 700 megawatt power reactors. Government has already given in principal approval for four 700-megawatt units. So we want to quickly get the approval and start the construction."

Major nuclear powers -- including Russia, European states and the United Sates -- are expressing willingness to sell nuclear services to India, which is trying to build new generation capacity to cope with a projected increase in demand for energy.

Russia has signed more than 700 million dollars in deals to supply India's nuclear reactors with fuel pellets, since the 45-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group last September lifted a ban on nuclear trade with India.

The ban was imposed after India's first nuclear test in 1974 and for its refusal to join the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
 
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Major nuclear powers -- including Russia, European states and the United Sates -- are expressing willingness to sell nuclear services to India

I love this non signatory of NTP and a known holder of atomic bombs is getting all the help from west yet Iran a signatory of NTP is getting threats.:victory:

Nothing against India building nuclear reactors i am just pointing out hypocrisy:rofl:
 
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One thing I don't understand.

Once a country knows how to build nuclear weapons, and has at least one civilian nuclear reactor, why do they need foreign help to build more civilian nuclear reactors?

Why can't India and Pakistan build their own nuclear reactors?
 
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