Indian Brahmos missle crashes in Mian Channo

[Khan vilatey]

I am amazed at the level of discourse on this thread! Here is an alternate scenario

1)india had planned to identify Pakistani air defenses by firing first missile first and then a volley of cruise missiles at the positions we engage the missile. then take out remaining system with additional volley……including air fields.

2) the ISPR folks clarified that they tracked the weapon and knew where it would crash based on its trejectory because we know it’s max range and monitor most Indian tests. A SOP decision was taken to activate our defenses to defend against a deeper strike! fighters were scrambled .

3) why do we all assume that the ISPR was telling the truth about shooting down the missile they made it a point to say in English multiple times that the indian projectile was not intercepted by us…

4) HQ9p batteries are located at strategic bases. this missile abruptly stopped 33 kms from RaFiqui ….. hq9p 250 kms HQ-16 80 kms….. seems within the engagement envelop for both these systems at 43k feet

the biggest story here is that india has admitted that there forces are in a condition of significant disrepair specially since spares for most systems will not be available from Russia for the next 2 years at least. Russia needs to replenish its supplies without any external support.

Pakistan and the Chinese could liberate Kashmir , Tibet and chicken neck without serious repercussions!

k

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yep, that's the C4ISR. Your side used to have an upper hand in the ISR sphere, with your satellites and all, but we came up with an indigenous C4ISR a few years ago. There were hints that we developed something similar to Link-16.

If it is not buried deep underground, and sheathed in armoured cable, it will be vulnerable to the destructive electromagnetic effects of a nuclear blast.

 

[RAMPAGE]

If it is not buried deep underground, and sheathed in armoured cable, it will be vulnerable to the destructive electromagnetic effects of a nuclear blast.

Yeah, I'd rather not think that far ahead. It is probably game over by then - for everyone.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Please don't talk like a kid please ,please ask any sane pakistani expert ,they will tell you that Pakistan can match or some time out match India when the conflict is restricted to a small area,but once conflict spreads pakistans problems will getting bigger and bigger.

What do you mean by can India escalate ,of course we do. Otherwise ,india would not have said they conducted surgical strikes or bomber the pakistani side by crossing over the loc.

India crossed LOC but carefully chose to drop bomb in middle of no where killing crow/tree. Pakistan responded few days later which resulted in much bigger damage for India (because of their own incompetence but anyways), gave perfect excuse for escalation but India backed out.

Pakistan was ready for it, not India. After 27th Feb 2019 even fake surgical strikes are off the table now.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

It has already eroded. Cruise missile attack is highest level of escalation but it's nothing for us. No worries. next time, may be Karachi bombed. No worries. Indian forces in lahore? No worries. probably mistake by India. Whatever we are doing is laughable and excuses are clearly a sign of weakness. Abrogation means end of conflict, Kashmir goes to India. No worries.

Short of all out attack like in balakot 2019. You cannot expect Pakistan to retaliate. Forgot about Kashmir, you have to deal with balochi, pashtun and sindhi terrorists to maintain integrity of Pakistan. Kashmiris were never with you, they wanted independent country anyway. Use carrot and stick because these groups are in bed with India and 5th columnists, waiting for 1971 like moment again. Though after nukes this scenario is no longer plausible but they can dream. And in wet dream process they will continue to become suicide bombers and create instability in Pakistan.

Thats why so called Pakistan National policy document clearly laid out that India is no longer threat but Pakistan internal enemies.

Point is since we don't have our house in order, the time have come to forgot about IoK and integrate GB and AJK. Indian Kashmiris made their choice in 1948 war. Now they must suffer the consequences of that choice under brutal Hindutva regime.

 

[Khan vilatey]

It is distinctly possible.


I should imagine that an even more important pre-requisite is an electronic blast proof very high speed buried optical fibre network that connects all defence weaponry to decision sites to sensor locations.

Without that, you can put gadgets and shiny new machines till the cows come home, and nothing will have improved.


I am sorry to inform you that an alternative theory is going the rounds.


I'm afraid he is right.

The only factor that has protected Pakistan (militarily) has been the inability of the Indian military to integrate all its assets and to act in a coordinated manner.

The day it has integrated all its assets and has the leadership trained to move in a coordinated manner will be a day of serious introspection for Pakistan - the phrase is not intended to convey sarcasm or hostility, please do not take it to be such.

I am all ears what’s the alternate theory….. waiting with anticipation

K

 

[Joe Shearer]

I am all ears what’s the alternate theory….. waiting with anticipation

K

Now the real story has come out

It was a Bong Commanding officer ......
After a long day at work, inspecting missiles and launchers, he said:
"Oodi Baba...Eetna der ho giya!!! Cholo, obhi launch korta hai!!"
......and someone pressed the "Launch" botton!!!!

 

[Chris Logan]

Whatever the cost, Pakistan will spend and do whatever it takes to keep the nation secure.

moving towards peace and investing in practical education would help.

 

[Raja Porus]

If it is not buried deep underground, and sheathed in armoured cable, it will be vulnerable to the destructive electromagnetic effects of a nuclear blast.

Normal Optical fibres are also buried underground in garrisons. I'm sure the sensitive ones will have been better protected.

 

[Chris Logan]

Short of all out attack like in balakot 2019. You cannot expect Pakistan to retaliate. Forgot about Kashmir, you have to deal with balochi, pashtun and sindhi terrorists to maintain integrity of Pakistan. Kashmiris were never with you, they wanted independent country anyway. Use carrot and stick because these groups are in bed with India and 5th columnists, waiting for 1971 like moment again. Though after nukes this scenario is no longer plausible but they can dream. And in wet dream process they will continue to become suicide bombers and create instability in Pakistan.

Thats why so called Pakistan National policy document clearly laid out that India is no longer threat but Pakistan internal enemies.

Point is since we don't have our house in order, the time have come to forgot about IoK and integrate GB and AJK. Indian Kashmiris made their choice in 1948 war. Now they must suffer the consequences of that choice under brutal Hindutva regime.

This animosity between us is the real problem. I don't have anything against ordinary Pakistanis, but history has shown how you have treated people that you have ruled. My family suffered under you guys in 1971. Even though we were some of the people who petitioned for Pakistan in 1947. This is why I support Modi. Self-preservation by any means neccenery.

 

[CSAW]

If it is not buried deep underground, and sheathed in armoured cable, it will be vulnerable to the destructive electromagnetic effects of a nuclear blast.

Donot agree to the statement.

Armouring has nothing to do with Electro magnetic interference. Armouring provided Mechanical strength and Fault current path.

The technique invoked is different.

For that EMI protection , A process of Shielding is performed . This layer is either a Copper tape 2.5 mm to 19.5 mm width 0.6 mm thickness with 50% overlap OR A fine copper wire Stranded , either layed Spirally or Braided , on the bedding layer.

General high conductive copper wire sizes drawn are 99.997% Highly conductive UpCast pure with 0.15 - 0.30 mm general diameter on bobins.

The "Anti- interference Layer" is then followed by a Jacketing / Sheathing layer of PVC / Flame retarded / Vermin / UV Proof or any specific requirement may be.

The burial design is based on Soil test and any traffic directly over or around the rote. Joints are discouraged or done with special care. Asset Bending [being flexible can cause Cracks over long exposure] is done as per Bend diameter standard of IEC. Surface temperatures determine the distance between two such assets and then an casing of proper material is selected. Burial is done as per the recommended depth mentioned.

Cables are then tested periodically for Insulation Resistance, Interference and HVT.

Hope its better clarified now.

 

[Hulk]

1. I cannot find something major to disagree with your post as far as diplomacy goes and the Pakistani standing in the world however, that is exactly why that I said that we need to bring the fact up (on every possible forum of any standing) that the world may have just dodged a nuclear exchange between two nuclear armed nations thanks to the irresponsible behavior of the Indian military.

2. Something that really bothers me frankly in this age of electronic and social media, is the fact that we do not have Pakistani press members covering the press conferences of important leaders in the world.

E.g. Just imagine a journalist asking Joe Biden or Kamala Harris for that matter, that what is your opinion on the fact that a country that the US supports militarily just launched a missile on a nuclear armed nation BY MISTAKE, something that could've resulted in a nuclear exchange?

Ask that in those terms and it would have heads turning and others journalists/analysts on youtube and other platforms from nations other than Pakistan covering this story and resulting in much needed coverage of this event internationally resulting in a better opinion of the conduct of Pakistan and the reflection of the Indian military in the light that it should be portrayed in (especially when it comes to this event) .

Bro. Again you guys are working on wrong thing. Nothing will happen if someone asked Biden other than some of you will be happy to see the news. Ideally I would you to continue in same fashion as today as it helps India, but some very common sense problem you. You have to make more real friends who can help you. Unless you build relationships on mutual interest you have no hope. Look around facts hardly matters. Whoever has more influence wins.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

This animosity between us is the real problem. I don't have anything against ordinary Pakistanis, but history has shown how you have treated people that you have ruled. My family suffered under you guys in 1971. Even though we were some of the people who petitioned for Pakistan in 1947. This is why I support Modi. Self-preservation by any means neccenery.

India is treating their muslim population much worse. While we treated Bengalis like Indians treated sikhs or any other identity based insurgency in NE India. IoK is disputed and will remain so but we cannot go to war over it.

You have taken advantage of huge power difference vs Pakistan but China will teach you a lesson soon enough when they come to reclaim their lands.

 

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[Chris Logan]

India is treating their muslim population much worse. While we treated Bengalis like Indians treated sikhs or any other identity based insurgency in NE India. IoK is disputed and will remain so but we cannot go to war over it.

You have taken advantage of huge power difference vs Pakistan but China will teach you a lesson soon enough when they come to reclaim their lands.

give me a break with your false equivalency, revoking article 370 was the best thing to happen to Kashmir, It opened the floodgates for investment. Hell, I'm even looking into investing.