Indian Brahmos missle crashes in Mian Channo

[Corax]

@Corax

Reasonable points, in the abstract. Without converting this into a vulgar slanging match, I would like to respond to your points and make a few, clinically detached ones of my own.


Not logical. Why, from Sirsa, should it not have taken a direct flight path to the nearest high value target? @The Eagle has already identified those right at the beginning of the thread. By taking that dog-leg the flight path was increased some 30%.

You're making the assumption the missile was fired deliberately to destroy a high value target.

I haven't made that assumption.

It didn't have a warhead.

It could have been fired to test Pakistan's tracking capabilities, response times, and potential countermeasures to destroy the missile.

 

[sal29]

I think @SQ8 has already mentioned Brahmos hasn't been mated with nuclear warheads as per the Pak Intelligence...

Yes probably. I doubt they will use Brahmos in nuclear domain anyway as they would want to keep it for conventional strikes.

 

[Corax]

What would be a strategic point of view?

Are you distinguishing between high explosive warheads and nuclear warheads? Are you then suggesting that non-nuclear strikes would be an option?

Yes, you have a point, but would that not be a very dangerous step, leading the Pakistani side to worry about one of those missile strikes being nuclear and not conventional?


Yes.


No.

A km per second.

It would be impossible to stop such an attack.

I made no mention of stopping an attack. I said a surprise attack would be highlight unlikely given the tracking capabilities on both sides. The ISPR presentation demonstrated tracking from launch. How each side responds to observing such a launch and with what countermeasures in an actual conflict is up to them to decide.

 

[kursed]

So, as per this ex-Indian naval commander, it's the warheads that are under C2 control but the cruise missiles themselves are under tactical control?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1502317697559793672

This is quite something, if true.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Tracking and monitoring goes both ways. It is quite possible that the Indian radars themselves also failed to track the launch. Guesswork on my part, but the missile was launched accidently, then the fact hidden by the crew/unit to escape punishment, and Indian command finally figuring it out after 48hrs after Pakistani news coverage.
Not buying into this "testing Pakistan's response time or intercepting capability" line of argument. Most likely its the ineptness of Indian military.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You're making the assumption the missile was fired deliberately to destroy a high value target.

No, no. Just what it might have been if fired deliberately. Not this case; the general case.

I haven't made that assumption.

It didn't have a warhead.

Fair enough. I think it was a mistake.

It could have been fired to test Pakistan's tracking capabilities, response times, and potential countermeasures to destroy the missile.

It could.

If so, then it shows a lot.

I made no mention of stopping an attack. I said a surprise attack would be highlight unlikely given the tracking capabilities on both sides. The ISPR presentation demonstrated tracking from launch. How each side responds to observing such a launch and with what countermeasures in an actual conflict is up to them to decide.

Could there have been a five minute reaction? Or seven minute? going by the tracking time stamps.

 

[Scorpiooo]

Exactly . And if we dont show them that we could do the same then wait for an actual strike.

What we do , non wait for that to be down it self, then after 24 hours start to take credits

 

[Corax]

Could there have been a five minute reaction? Or seven minute? going by the tracking time stamps.

Depends on the prevailing configurational conditions between the two states, the condition of alert, and the type of response.

If you're talking about destroying incoming missiles, depends on density of anti-missile systems and their response times.

If you're talking about a retaliatory strike, again, it depends on prevailing conditions, but if a launch is detectable (as demonstrated by the ISPR presentation), then theoretically a retaliatory launch could occur at the same time. In this instance the posture between the two states wasn't in a condition to warrant an immediate response upon detecting the launch, and this is where the change in direction of the missile comes into play.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Depends on the prevailing configurational conditions between the two states, the condition of alert, and the type of response.

True, theoretically.

 

[Jinn Baba]

 

[sal29]

Everyone is good at one particular thing .. their passion ... i guess we can tell what that is for the Indians

 

[Joe Shearer]

If you're talking about destroying incoming missiles, depends on density of anti-missile systems and their response times.

I believe these speeds, over these distances, are unstoppable.

What kind of reaction times do you think are possible?

 

[Scorpiooo]

We cant ignore this incident, things are not that much simple

 

[Aneeq Rashid]

From the flight path it seems that missile flew its pre-planned flight path. Is this normal that missile was loaded with it's pre-planned flight path and the target when there are no hostilities?

Besides even insurgents have better control over there missiles then India.

 

[Imran Khan]

From the flight path it seems that missile flew its pre-planned flight path? Is this normal?

it was flying uncontrolled sir . its fly where fins turned