Indian Brahmos missle crashes in Mian Channo

[kursed]

Yes.

But it didn't. For that let us count ourselves fortunate, and try to do whatever we ought to, to tighten things up.

You can take it for granted that Air HQ and the ministry are buzzing with activity as we speak.

From what I have gleaned so far, a retaliatory strike was ready - accident or not, it's the hotline calls that saved the day.

A lot depends on the inquiry and then subsequent details shared with Pakistanis, I hope they do revisit the events of the day and alter SOPs, so as not to allow the other side the convenience to launch with an excuse ready at hand, that this was an accident.

We already know that Brahmos comes with built-in security systems to self-destruct, when going off course. The fact that the entire system, incl checks failed, is something Pakistan would need to consider. This does not smell like a simple technical malfunction.

 

[khail007]

Seems like we have met, and the encounter was not relished.

Not seems, just you hesitated to acknowledge firmly, for me it was but for you, I have no idea.

 

[Joe Shearer]

From what I have gleaned so far, a retaliatory strike was ready - accident or not, it's the hotline calls that saved the day.

I am not aware of any hot-line calls, so am unable to comment. You know, of course, that there is a hot line only between the DGMOs of the two countries. If by hot-line calls, you meant someone in India rang up someone in Pakistan, that is of course a distinct possibility. I hope it happened; there is no formal mechanism to do so.

Not seems, just you hesitated to acknowledge firmly, for me it was but for you, I have no idea.

Really cannot think of any memorable meeting. If I was rude, I apologise. If not, there is nothing to talk about other than the weather.

 

[kursed]

I am not aware of any hot-line calls, so am unable to comment. You know, of course, that there is a hot line only between the DGMOs of the two countries. If by hot-line calls, you meant someone in India rang up someone in Pakistan, that is of course a distinct possibility. I hope it happened; there is no formal mechanism to do so.

Indian newspapers have reported that several hotline calls were made, across multiple levels of military and gov to convey that this was an accident before the missile landed in Pak.

There have been direct contact between Indian NSA and Pakistani intel agency heads as well. So, I'd consider this entirely normal.

 

[TNT]

tch tch tch ... assumptions assumptions ... it didn't took me 30 mins (would probably take you 3 days to come up with a logical reply) so don't worry. Also don't worry about my job I do ok but always trying to improve.

You are right I am pretty sure I can't uplift you to my level but I will take it with my thanks that you have no more illogical stuff left to say. Good luck and start thinking critically and not with teenage emotions.

PS : Go through previous posts and see who started these personal directed attacks .. that would tell you who tried spitting in the air

Go back read posts? Think hard before replying? this is an online forum DA, u must have psychological issues to take it that serious. By the way it was u who quoted me and started a useless discussion. U have no point to make, just rants and u keep going round in circles, i dont expect anything better from u either. U couldn't even answer a simple question lolz. Anyways take good care of urself.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Not seems, just you hesitated to acknowledge firmly, for me it was but for you, I have no idea.

Really cannot think of any memorable meeting. If I was rude, I apologise. If not, there is nothing to talk about other than the weather.

A lot depends on the inquiry and then subsequent details shared with Pakistanis, I hope they do revisit the events of the day and alter SOPs, so as not to allow the other side the convenience to launch with an excuse ready at hand, that this was an accident.

Certainly there will be an enquiry, and it has actually started, according to usually reliable sources. Whether this enquiry's results will be shared or not is difficult to say. Matters have been less than transparent between the two sides; why there will be an exception made on this occasion is not clear. In my opinion, it should be made; the question is if it will be made.

 

[Imran Khan]

So here I am, reading a Pakistani gentleman telling a bemused Indian that India has a rogue military.

Right.


You are right. Disasters and accidents are likely to happen. It's when these get into the hands of intelligent human beings that there is serious, methodical mischief.

Always knew one could count on you to hit the nail on the thumb.

then who else fire on next door nuclear armed hostile neighbor cruse missiles by mistake sir ?

 

[SIPRA]

Indian newspapers have reported that several hotline calls were made, across multiple levels of military and gov to convey that this was an accident before the missile landed in Pak.

There have been direct contact between Indian NSA and Pakistani intel agency heads as well. So, I'd consider this entirely normal.

Strange, what you are saying; because both our DG(ISPR) and NSA are denying any such contact or communication.

 

[Chak Bamu]

From what I have gleaned so far, a retaliatory strike was ready - accident or not, it's the hotline calls that saved the day.

A lot depends on the inquiry and then subsequent details shared with Pakistanis, I hope they do revisit the events of the day and alter SOPs, so as not to allow the other side the convenience to launch with an excuse ready at hand, that this was an accident.

We already know that Brahmos comes with built-in security systems to self-destruct, when going off course. The fact that the entire system, incl checks failed, is something Pakistan would need to consider. This does not smell like a simple technical malfunction.

That, my friend, is the crux of the matter. I can not imagine that once the deviation was detected (due to a malfunctioning actuator, let us say), then why did the missile not self-destruct? This single point is a big question mark on the Indian narrative. It can not be taken on face value just like that. The chances of two malfunctions in one instance are too remote & therefore we must look at the excuse with suspicion.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Indian newspapers have reported that several hotline calls were made, across multiple levels of military and gov to convey that this was an accident before the missile landed in Pak.

This is impossible.

Do the arithmetic. Take the operating speed of the missile and estimate how long it took to traverse the distance.

There have been direct contact between Indian NSA and Pakistani intel agency heads as well. So, I'd consider this entirely normal.

You mean on earlier occasions? Quite possible that channel might have been used, but NSA to NSA. I am not aware of any such thing. These might have happened; since they happened after the missile landed, obviously better sense prevailed in Pakistan, and the decision-makers concerned did not hit the panic button. This is sensible and downright admirable.

 

[sal29]

Go back read posts? Think hard before replying? this is an online forum DA, u must have psychological issues to take it that serious. By the way it was u who quoted me and started a useless discussion. U have no point to make, just rants and u keep going round in circles, i dont expect anything better from u either. U couldn't even answer a simple question lolz. Anyways take good care of urself.

Tum sahi baqi saab galat. Salam aap ki azmat ko ""lolz""

 

[INDIAPOSITIVE]

glad no one got injured , i think we should pay compensation

 

[Joe Shearer]

That, my friend, is the crux of the matter. I can not imagine that once the deviation was detected (due to a malfunctioning actuator, let us say), then why did the missile not self-destruct?

That is the part I am wondering (and worrying about); the missile has over-ride controls to allow it to be remotely destroyed. Why was that not done?

It is possible that the bungling extended to this failure as well. Oscar's First Second Law applies.

 

[kursed]

Strange, what you are saying; because both our DG(ISPR) and NSA are denying any such contact or communication.

DG ISPR specifically mentioned DGMOs not talking. That doesn’t mean a contact was not made.

When DG ISPR mentioned PAF undertaking tactical posturing decisions while tracking the missile, I believe this is exactly what’s meant.

 

[Joe Shearer]

then who else fire on next door nuclear armed hostile neighbor cruse missiles by mistake sir ?

It was unarmed, dear Sir.

If there had been a nuclear warhead on it, we would not be sitting here talking.

You did notice the irony in your using the term rogue military based on one accident of the sort that the US, with its superpower efficiency, has had in its own time, and your using it against the background of 75 years of consistent behaviour by some other military. It is a lighter moment at the time of such tensions.