PanzerKiel
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Have to be, dear. Its better not to say something which is still ongoing.@PanzerKiel bro you are very quiet on a thread like this one...
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Have to be, dear. Its better not to say something which is still ongoing.@PanzerKiel bro you are very quiet on a thread like this one...
just ask yourself one simple question, would india risk looking like. total fool by providing Pakistan an opportunity to say that they DID shoot it down? Let's just for a minute take what the ISPR said at face value that they did not shoot it down and rewind back to march 9th when the missile was about to be launched. what would be going through the minds of the indian planners when picking a target? do you honestly think that would as so stupid to pick a uninhabited region of mian chunno to just crash their missile? don't you think someone in their higher command or the government would've said that "saar ji, if vee crash our mijjile in mian chunnu then vaat if the Pakistanis claim that they shot it down, vee vud look like total chootias beecaj vee are chootias and the varld vud know vee are chootias"?! bear in mind, we've rewound to march 9th so they have no idea how the Pakistanis would react. they were obviously convinced that they would be tracked let alone intercepted otherwise they would've never risked a nuclear strike in spite of having s400s, a risk just not worth taking given that Pakistan could've AT LEAST launched against their forward airbases using NASRs missiles which would reach their targets before the s400s could do anything...they would not have taken this risk unless they were sure that brahmos could not be detected, they have even touted that the brahmos-ng (which this probably was since it was air launched) has a much smaller rcs so it is harder to detect let alone track.What's next? They did their action. Where is our response? They have checked our ADS through one missile. That one missile, travelled 124km inside Pakistan. It begs an obvious question. Do we have the capability to destroy this missile? If yes, great. If no, terrible. What India has achieved?
1) PAF reaction time
2) ADS reaction time
3) Chances of Pakistani response?
NDTV described Indian actions before balakot in which senior Indian members(anonymous) acknowledged that submarine intrusion was intentional and was a way to divert attention. Same thing happened again. Submarine intrusion and missile strike. They are making progress and I am telling you clearly that they have some kind of plan to capture major Pakistani cities through ground invasion. World doesn't react to their missile attack. It clearly means that United states is also involved and a partner of India in this crime.
I believe India is preparing for something big. Something surprising. India has seen our reaction which is no reaction. This will only help India further. Ukraine Russia war has been monitored by Indians closely. India can definitely fight against China if west provides assistance but with Pakistan as the second front, it will be a big problem. India is trying to end this war with us once and for all so that they can handle China without any pressure from Pakistan.
This missile strike is a wake up call. Let's see what Rajnath singh will say tomorrow. A strong reaction can save Pakistan. Pakistan should adopt aggressive policy of attacking first.20 years ago, we adopted same policy and nothing happened inside Pakistan, not even a bomb blast. Defensive policies can ruin countries.
yaar kuch tau das do...its like, I'm the only one who is saying that we intercepted it, everyone else seems to be stuck in some sort of inferiority complex. maybe I shouldn't talk...Have to be, dear. Its better not to say something which is still ongoing.
....Targets are normally pre-fed in such missiles. If Rafiqi was already fed as a target, there was no reason for the missile to hit the ground short of it (unless it was shot down, or something else was done). If the location (where the missile really hit), was fed into the missile, then it means indian have already fed wrong coordinates in this missile during peacetime (and possibly other missiles as well).just ask yourself one simple question, would india risk looking like. total fool by providing Pakistan an opportunity to say that they DID shoot it down? Let's just for a minute take what the ISPR said at face value that they did not shoot it down and rewind back to march 9th when the missile was about to be launched. what would be going through the minds of the indian planners when picking a target? do you honestly think that would as so stupid to pick a uninhabited region of mian chunno to just crash their missile? don't you think someone in their higher command or the government would've said that "saar ji, if vee crash our mijjile in mian chunnu then vaat if the Pakistanis claim that they shot it down, vee vud look like total chootias beecaj vee are chootias and the varld vud know vee are chootias"?! bear in mind, we've rewound to march 9th so they have no idea how the Pakistanis would react. they were obviously convinced that they would be tracked let alone intercepted otherwise they would've never risked a nuclear strike in spite of having s400s, a risk just not worth taking given that Pakistan could've AT LEAST launched against their forward airbases using NASRs missiles which would reach their targets before the s400s could do anything...they would not have taken this risk unless they were sure that brahmos could not be detected, they have even touted that the brahmos-ng (which this probably was since it was air launched) has a much smaller rcs so it is harder to detect let alone track.
I’d explain this a bit. To my understanding if this was an ORI, that means the mission selected included obscure coordinates (Mian Channu lies in exact direction of Rafiqui, so mission would validate parameters). But which part of Rafiqui is to be targeted (it’s a big base)? In order to keep this exact info from targeting technician staff, so even if they’re compromised by other side’s Intel, they don’t end up giving the exact / right coordinates of pre selected targets.....Targets are normally pre-fed in such missiles. If Rafiqi was already fed as a target, there was no reason for the missile to hit the ground short of it (unless it was shot down, or something else was done). If the location (where the missile really hit), was fed into the missile, then it means indian have already fed wrong coordinates in this missile during peacetime (and possibly other missiles as well).
So either Pak AD did track it and brought it down before it could reach its target, or Pak AD wasnt able to track it, but wrongly fed coordinates proved its untimely death.
How else can you explain a battle-ready missile falling short of its target.
Just an opinion.
Yours is the only logical explanation. However, problem is, Rafiqi isnt the only target in this area. There are others which are much nearer to its impact location.I’d explain this a bit. To my understanding if this was an ORI, that means the mission selected included obscure coordinates (Mian Channu lies in exact direction of Rafiqui, so mission would validate parameters). But which part of Rafiqui is to be targeted (it’s a big base)? In order to keep this exact info from targeting technician staff, so even if they’re compromised by other side’s Intel, they don’t end up giving the exact / right coordinates of pre selected targets.
In this instance, the simulated hit on this target in Mian Channu would have proven kinematic profile of the launch, exact damage and completed the test, while not leaking exact target data.
unconvincing explanation. you think that if the compromised technical crew wouldn't know that that mian chunnu is near Rafique Airbase and thus alert their sources? not convinced.I’d explain this a bit. To my understanding if this was an ORI, that means the mission selected included obscure coordinates (Mian Channu lies in exact direction of Rafiqui, so mission would validate parameters). But which part of Rafiqui is to be targeted (it’s a big base)? In order to keep this exact info from targeting technician staff, so even if they’re compromised by other side’s Intel, they don’t end up giving the exact / right coordinates of pre selected targets.
In this instance, the simulated hit on this target in Mian Channu would have proven kinematic profile of the launch, exact damage and completed the test, while not leaking exact target data.
so to summarize, you are saying that either both sides did their job correctly or neither side did their job correctly. the latter is harder to believe sir. I am convinced that it was intercepted. india would not provide Pakistan with an opportunity to say that PAF intercepted their brahmos by saying "see? We intercepted india's brahmos and the wreckage fell in a barren area in mian chunnu".....Targets are normally pre-fed in such missiles. If Rafiqi was already fed as a target, there was no reason for the missile to hit the ground short of it (unless it was shot down, or something else was done). If the location (where the missile really hit), was fed into the missile, then it means indian have already fed wrong coordinates in this missile during peacetime (and possibly other missiles as well).
So either Pak AD did track it and brought it down before it could reach its target, or Pak AD wasnt able to track it, but wrongly fed coordinates proved its untimely death.
How else can you explain a battle-ready missile falling short of its target.
Just an opinion.
Okay, yes, my pov is strictly Air Force centric I’m still guessing the coordinates given weren’t really for an actual target but obscured, imitating a real target. Rafiqui from where the missile hit was basically 20 seconds away given the missile flight profile.Yours is the only logical explanation. However, problem is, Rafiqi isnt the only target in this area. There are others which are much nearer to its impact location.
Can we expect a Pakistani version of brahmos at least (reverse engineer Indian one and make an indigenous one)?Have to be, dear. Its better not to say something which is still ongoing.
You haven’t understood what I wrote.unconvincing explanation. you think that if the compromised technical crew wouldn't know that that mian chunnu is near Rafique Airbase and thus alert their sources? not convinced.
I understood it. But I'm not convinced...if Pakistan had preemptively retaliated with nukes and the indian target was just dirt in mian chunnu, that would've been a risk not worth taking. I'm sure the indian planners aren't that stupid. the target was real, it was some facility of Rafique Airbase or like PanzerKeil said, some other Military facility in the area.You haven’t understood what I wrote.
Sure.I understood it. But I'm not convinced...if Pakistan had preemptively retaliated with nukes and the indian target was just dirt in mian chunnu, that would've been a risk not worth taking. I'm sure the indian planners aren't that stupid. the target was real, it was some facility of Rafique Airbase or like PanzerKeil said, some other Military facility in the area.
There’s a lot of sensitive stuff in that area, obviously I won’t say more on that, but any one of those could have been the potential target. Still, your explanation seems very plausible.Okay, yes, my pov is strictly Air Force centric I’m still guessing the coordinates given weren’t really for an actual target but obscured, imitating a real target. Rafiqui from where the missile hit was basically 20 seconds away given the missile flight profile.
the missing piece of the puzzle is the position of the domestic and intl flights in the vicinity throughout the duration of the incident. during war time our pre-war time, airspace is closed to all flights so Pakistan can take action without any risk of collateral damage to an airliner. since it wasn't war time, Pakistani AD had to act carefully lest another iranian like incident happens where they inadvertently shot down a ukrainian airliner thinking it was an enemy aircraft. needless to say, our AD waited until there was no flight in the immediate vicinity. That's why knowing the position of any flights in the area during the time of the interception and/or crash is so important.There’s a lot of sensitive stuff in that area, obviously I won’t say more on that, but any one of those could have been the potential target. Still, your explanation seems very plausible.
If we take the premise that target information (along with approach vectors were pre-fed), fuel/range would explain why the missile might fall short of intended target.....Targets are normally pre-fed in such missiles. If Rafiqi was already fed as a target, there was no reason for the missile to hit the ground short of it (unless it was shot down, or something else was done). If the location (where the missile really hit), was fed into the missile, then it means indian have already fed wrong coordinates in this missile during peacetime (and possibly other missiles as well).
So either Pak AD did track it and brought it down before it could reach its target, or Pak AD wasnt able to track it, but wrongly fed coordinates proved its untimely death.
How else can you explain a battle-ready missile falling short of its target.
Just an opinion.