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if OUR PAKISTANI leaders have even an annouce of self respect remaining they should

1) reply by saying if india cannot handle its ministers & keep them on a tight leash infront of the camera WE can send our agents to go do it for them!! reply to : If Pakistan does not know how to interrogate Saeed, then they should allow my agents to go in there and do the job. I am willing to get this done."

2) HOW DARE the indians EVEN speak to us like this! Pakistan should reply by giving a stern warning to india about disconnecting all economic ties as well as all kinds of ties with india!

3) Pakistan should by diplomatic means tell the world that firstly no one should sell ARMS to india after such threats & secondly make it VERY CLEAR to the WORLD that if india even THINKS!!! let me repeat THINKS of an attack PAKISTAN WON'T STOP UNTIL EVERY INDIAN IS MADE TO PAY FOR THE ACTIONS OF THEIR GOVERNMENT!!!

4) TELL INDIA TO PROVIDE PROOF OF ANY PAKISTANI GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT!

the problem is our leaders are spineless corrupt thugs!!!! that need to be shot all of them simultaneously! :sniper: i bet on a diplomatic as well as media terms we will fail miserably as usual:angry:!

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Do that, and the whole world will laugh at you. Right now, the whole world is smirking.
 
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India will always have the choice to decide whether its time to do something militarily or not. My own take is that if something like Mumbai happens, there will surely be military action, however as I have often said, the response will also be fairly severe. Maybe India is also ready to absorb it..I don't know the answer, but it would do well for both sides to tone down the rhetoric and focus on fixing things in house...Pakistan can continue with the clampdown on the extremist elements, India should move to start an honest dialogue about the future of Kashmir.

India has already indicated that it is willing to implement 'creative' solutions in Kashmir.

I really don't understand Pakistani logic, but the longer Pakistan allows these guys to persist, the higher the chances of a war. Regardless of how you feel Blain, the PA has always seen these militants as strategic assets, its not like Pakistan's in any position to take on anymore extremists anyway and because of that India will have no choice but to go to war with Pakistan someday.

After the next terrorist attack, there will be no more excuses, India will have to hit terrorist training camps inside AK. The ball will then be in Pakistan's court.
 
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Lastly, what benefit does any of these attacks in India bring to Pakistan? Nothing!!!! It causes nothing but problems for Pakistan, as such it makes no sense for the Pakistani state and the security apparatus to support these folks

Blain...

What purpose does it serve India by going after Hafeez Saeed? Unless we had proof of his involvement, why would we be beating the war drum? Do you really feel that India and Indians are war mongerers?
If it was just about making the Pak establishment look like they supported terrorism in India, dont you think we would have played that card accordingly? All India has asked for is to punish a known terrorist who is behind 26/11 and as recently as last month organized Jihad rallies.....The fellow is on the UN and Interpol terror lists as well....What does that say?

Dont you think actions by a non-state actor regarding waging war on India etc and hosting Jihad rallies are counter productive to the peace process? Dont you think such actions should be curtailed especially keeping in mind Indian sensitivity on HS and 26/11?

I see your point, but you have to look at the flip side of the coin too...
 
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and this chidbambam is the home minister ?
 
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Your own government agreed that Pakistani nationals are involved. So according your lame logic, even GOP is a part of this "drama"? It is shameful that such a tragic event seems like a drama to you.
Nothing is "lol" or "rolf" about this. The message that GoI is giving is simple. If a foreign soil is used for attacks against India, they must act against those elements. We are asking for peace, not war.

Lets just assumed that raw paid a pakistani citizen to bring up some action...so actually a pakistani citizen is involved then. And just stop kidding with these comments like we want peace. if you really want peace then stop destabilizing Pakistan from Afghan border, release the water that belong to us, stop doing meanless propaganda against Pakistan and stop killing innocent Muslims in Kashmire and all over india.
 
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And what would you say about drama that your ISI creation Taliban is doing in Pakistan in almost daily basis. Well that drama was started by your own institution but went out of hand and control and now all those drama;s are blamed on India as a face saving exercise.

What a propoganda to fool their citizens about their own actions, huh?.

We see almost daily new drama in the form of new conspiracy theory created in Pakistan and the height is there are people who believe in each and every conspiracy theory.

It's not our media which is always doing propaganda against india like your media do against Pakistan!

Taliban is a diffrent story, that was created back during Soviet era and U.S. were also involved, infect they were the masterminds for all this mess to defeat russians.

Last thing there are clear evidences and proofs of indian involvement in destabilizing Pakistan and backing these terrorist from Afghanistan. we have our concerns about all this and U.S. also raised this issue with india.
 
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Your Court and Goverment has given stamp on the drama Mr Joker...seems you dont even read newspaper....

the goverment said that there is a possibility that non state actors were involved in all this, but Ajmal Kasab is not a typical pakistani name maybe he works for raw and they paid him to do all this mess. it's simple you can pay anyone to do a dirty job and it's not strange that a migrant can have a pakistani citizenship. The court release Hafiz bcz there were no evidence against him. Justice is equal for all provide proofs to sustain your claims otherwise stop doing BS propaganda!:blah:
 
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While I am not against punishing the murderers of innocent Indians in Mumbai, I do have a problem when linkages are made with all of the past actors by the Indian side....

Do You believe that Hafeez Saeed is involved in orchestrating acts of terrorism/Jihad in India or not? Do you believe he is just a charity worker? Why do you think the Indian government wants him taken out of circulation? Because they don't like the look of his face? No one in India is asking for Zaid Hamid's head. Why Hafeez Saeed? What do you suggest must be done? Wait for the next attack and repeat the same process? Why is it not in Pakistan's interest to prevent the Indian government from being put in a position where they have no choice but to act in some measure?

I hope that there are no further attacks on civilians on either side. However what does a threat to Pakistan achieve? What is it that your air strikes are going to achieve? If the purpose is to raise the cost for Pakistan, which implies that Pakistani government is behind these attacks - a claim which has been denied and the denial supported even by the US, then will the cost raised only apply to one-side? Probably not.

The U.S. believes that Hafeez Saeed is a terrorist involved in the Mumbai attacks. Why is that certification not acceptable to Pakistan or are certifications from the U.S. only acceptable if they are deemed to be helpful to Pakistan?

Can a nation state claim to be not accountable for actions originating from its territory? By its citizens? Even if extenuating arguments are sought to be made citing prevailing conditions, is it not incumbent on Pakistan to attempt to assuage India's concerns and not to resort to skulduggery? Can Pakistan get away by merely stating that it too is a victim of terrorism and then act in a manner seen in India as being duplicitous or at the very least insensitive? Will you accept the argument that because your neighbour's children are violent in their own home that any violence directed at you and your family in your own home cannot be helped and if you are then threatened with consequences if you do anything? How long will you keep quiet if ignoring past actions and present behavior, the perpetrator of the violence is defended while he runs around making more threats?

A cost on India is already imposed when an act of terrorism is carried out. The fear of higher cost without accruing of any tangible benefit is what has prevented India from taking any action. However no country can sit quietly permanently because of this fear allowing the perpetrators to get away without pain being inflicted on them. If that leads to further costs, then that might just have to be borne. Allowing one party solely to determine the level of escalation is not a tenable policy. That would only serve as encouragement to the party concerned and would probably result in a major miscalculation at some point or the other resulting in severe consequences for all involved.
 
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Pak reluctant to rein in LeT, say S Asia experts


The ISI continues to maintain links with Lashkar-e-Toiba, the terrorist outfit responsible for 26/11, and Islamabad is reluctant to take action against its leaders and its network, several eminent US scholars and experts of South Asia have categorically told US lawmakers.

Attending a special Congressional hearing yesterday on 'Lashkar-e-Toiba and the Growing ambition of Islamic Militancy in Pakistan', Congressmen unanimously expressed concern that despite best of the efforts by the Obama Administration, the ISI continues to maintain links with LeT and that Pakistan is not taking decisive action against the terrorist outfit.

"The LeT is a deadly serious group of fanatics. They are well financed, ambitious, and most disturbingly, both tolerated by, and connected to, the Pakistani military," said Gary L Ackerman, Chairman of the House Subcommittee on the Middle East and South Asia of the House Committee on International Relations.

And it is the same Pakistani military, to which the Obama Administration is selling advanced arms, he pointed out.

Testifying before the Congressional committee, Marvin G Weinbaum, from the Middle East Institute - a Washington-based think tank, said despite the government official ban of LeT, ISI continued to consider the organisation as an asset.

The ISI is believed to continue to share intelligence and provide protection to LeT, he said.

"It is a measure of the impunity with which LeT is allowed to operate in Pakistan that the authorities have been unwilling to contain LeT chief Hafiz Mohammad Saeed. His inflammatory remarks would be expected to land him among the hundreds of disappeared political activists in the country. Although he has been periodically arrested, his house detentions have been cosmetic," Weinbaum said.

Noting that LeT poses a threat to the US national security interests, Lisa Curtis from the Heritage Foundation said the appearance of LeT leader Hafiz Muhammed Saeed at a recent public rally casts grave doubts about Pakistan's commitment to reining in the group's activities.

Curtis said it has been a failure of US policy to not insist Pakistan shut down the LeT long ago. US officials have shied away from pressuring Pakistan on the LeT in the interest of garnering Pakistani cooperation against targets the US believed were more critical to immediate US objectives, that is al-Qaeda shortly after 9/11 and the Afghan Taliban more recently.

"To degrade the overall international terrorist threat emanating from Pakistan, the US must convince Islamabad to confront those groups it has supported against India," Curtis said.

The Mumbai attacks and subsequent Headley investigations reveal that the LeT has the international capabilities and ideological inclination to attack western targets whether they are located in South Asia or elsewhere.

Eminent Pakistani scholar Shuja Nawaz too conceded that the relationship between the ISI and LeT has stayed overtime.

Nawaz is currently the director, South Asia Center, The Atlantic Council of the United States. "The LeT's emerging role as a trans regional force that has broadened its aim to include India and perhaps even Afghanistan, by linking with the Students Islamic Movement of India or SIMI and the Harkat ul Jihad al Islami or HUJI of Bangladesh poses a serious threat to regional stability," Nawaz said.

"Another Mumbai-type attack involving the LeT might bring India and Pakistan into conflict, a prospect that should keep us awake at night. In Pakistan, both the civil and the military now appear to recognise the existential threat from home grown militancy.

"The army appears to have dislocated the Tehreek e Taliban of Pakistan. Yet, it faces a huge and, to my mind, greater threat in the hinterland, in the form of the LeT," he said.

Ashley J Tellis, senior associate at the prestigious Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, told lawmakers that today LeT relies on the ISI primarily for safe haven and political protection for its leadership, intelligence on selected targets and threats, campaign guidance when necessary, and infiltration assistance, particularly in regard to long distance operations involving transits through third countries.

"Although the interrogation of David Headley has now established that there were clearly some shadowy ISI connections with the Bombay attacks, the management of the LeT detainees by the Pakistani state and the tortured progress of their trial demonstrates that, whatever the outcome of this charade, the ISI has simply no intention of eviscerating LeT (or any other anti-Indian jihadi groups) because of their perceived utility to Pakistan¿s national strategy vis-à -vis India," Tellis said.

"So long as the Pakistani Army and the security establishment more generally conclude that their private interests (and their conception of the national interest) are undermined by a permanent reconciliation between India and Pakistan, they will not rid themselves of the terrorist groups they have begotten and which serve their purposes - irrespective of what New Delhi or Kabul or Washington may desire," he said.

"This fact ought to be understood clearly by the Obama administration. Once it is, it may push the United States to either compel Pakistan to initiate action against LeT or hold Pakistan responsible for the actions of its proxies.

If these efforts do not bear fruit, the United States will have to contemplate unilateral actions (or cooperative actions with other allies) to neutralize the most dangerous of the terrorist groups now resident in Pakistan.

Doing so may be increasingly necessary not simply to prevent a future Indo-Pakistani crisis, but more importantly to protect the United States, its citizens, its interests, and its allies," Tellis said.
 
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Ok then read it as about someone whom you would have served food with your own hands.

Yeah,and I am suppose to understand what you meant by that?
 
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Yeah,and I am suppose to understand what you meant by that?

Are bhaiya what i meant was Hafiz saeed had been someone who once enjoyed the leverage of being your asset. So in the changing times if you have political blah blah pressure. give us guys a chance we will take care of it and you guys can very well blame it on india.

:pakistan: we dont have any problem if you accuse us of blowing of hafiz saeed. we will be more than happy.
 
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I don't know the answer, but it would do well for both sides to tone down the rhetoric and focus on fixing things in house...Pakistan can continue with the clampdown on the extremist elements, India should move to start an honest dialogue about the future of Kashmir.


Are you drawing a connection between the resolution of the Kashmir issue and the cessation of terrorist attacks against India? I would be interested in how you would justify such linkage.

Firstly, many Pakistanis refuse to accept that the terrorist attacks on India have anything to do with them and claim that they are either internal to India or in the minds of some crazy nutcases, completely fabricated (a Bollywood -RAW production).
What in this case should be the reason for India to talk to Pakistan? It could be solved internally going by this argument.

Some accept that Pakistanis are involved but are not connected to the government ( Non-state actors/Pakistani groups acting independently). Further it is claimed that the government has no influence over such groups and can give no assurance on their behalf.

If that be the argument, then how can any arrangement between the two governments guarantee cessation of attacks on India? What is the guarantee that Hafeez Saeed and his ilk will not repudiate any agreement reached and continue with their chosen path?

The third argument which is sometimes implied but rarely said aloud is that Pakistan has some influence on these groups and can get them to stop. A corollary to this argument is that an agreement on Kashmir will allow the government the leeway to go after such groups.
This is at best a subtle form of blackmail and an admission that Pakistan is not doing all that it can to prevent terrorist attacks on India. Does anyone actually believe that the Indian state will just roll over and capitulate without fighting back?

The main problem is that Pakistan has too many power centres both officially and unofficially, some stronger than others. Who does India negotiate with? It has to be someone who can guarantee that an agreement which is reached will work. How can India or even Pakistan be absolutely sure that disgruntled elements within the army/ISI and/or "non-state actors" will not repudiate any agreement reached and work aggressively toward undermining it. We may then find ourselves in a similar situation without the fig leaf of an excuse.

Any solution of Kashmir acceptable to India is unlikely to please hardliners in Pakistan. Many Pakistanis imagine a tooth fairy type of solution and they are unlikely to reconcile with a solution that is feasible and practical ( autonomy/soft borders) but one that will shatter long held demands. This will almost certainly result in increased attempts at violence in India and even maybe in Pakistan. What chance for soft borders then? The agreement would be dead before the ink dried on the paper it was signed on.
 
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My dear, breaking economic ties with India will Only affect pakistan, its economy is already not in good condition, and breaking will further decrease your chances...

While Develpoing economic ties with India is good but it wont help either. You are making it sound as if our economy depends totally on India and breaking off ties will have severe consequences.
 
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And what would you say about drama that your ISI creation Taliban is doing in Pakistan in almost daily basis. Well that drama was started by your own institution but went out of hand and control and now all those drama;s are blamed on India as a face saving exercise.

What a propoganda to fool their citizens about their own actions, huh?.

We see almost daily new drama in the form of new conspiracy theory created in Pakistan and the height is there are people who believe in each and every conspiracy theory.

Hey its done all by INDIANS ONLY:devil:
 
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I think every Pakistani has become immune to this tough talk, at first whenever I used to hear such statements I would be enraged and be ready for a statement in response from the Pakistani side.............now I just say, "Cut the Crap" and watch a movie or something...........
 
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