Indian ATAGS guns is ready for export to Armenia

[bloo]

Turkiye has guided MLRS ...The best in the World with China

-- 40 km TRG-122 with GPS - INS
-- 40 km TRLG-122 with Laser seeker

-- 70 km TRG-230 with GPS - INS
-- 70 km TRLG-230 with with Laser seeker

-- 120 km TRG-300 with GPS - INS
Also 150+ km IHA-230 with GPS - INS or Laser seeker .... ( air launched variant )

LOL, most MLRS are more or less interchangeable.
"Best" is only relative to how you're defining it.

And We dont need to risk soldiers
Turkish UCAVs have 30 km Laser designator

30km...So, within even a short ranged SAM's detection and tracking range? Certainly within the range of a base level Akash Prime. So when the SAM CCU detects & engages the drone, either the drone has to run away and miss the artillery units or gets shot and possibly still miss the artillery unit.

And again, the drone has to loiter and wait to detect a target that's on shoot and scoot mode. So, either risk soldiers with laser designators in shorter distances or risk drones, that's the problem an integrated air defence creates.
To even assume that rocket artillery generally will be used against anything other than fixed target is hopium.

Only 1 laser guided Rocket will be enough to destroy ATAGS Howitzer

or 1 guided munition with IIR seeker

or 1 Kamikaze Drone with IR Camera

Armenia's problem was always in "shorter" ranges.
As we have seen in the Russia-Ukraine war - just to be sure, the counter-battery on either side generally has had to use missiles and bombs more than once. Even in standoff ranges the perpetrator force has to attempt and overwhelm a target, The larger the distance the more time an artillery or a SAM u it has to "scoot".
Exactly why the range of artillery shells are increasing as well, Kalyani, the manufacture of ATAGS, is developing 120km hypersonic LRGMs for the ATAGS. Of course, Armenia should acquire a whole suite of our air defence, artillery and tactical ballistic missile suite but in the mean time cheap, long ranged precision rounds is more affordable and realistic.
Also, there are weapon systems with far better FPAs than on a measly MLRS that miss their target, But I guess we are dealing with "da bery besht in da world" that can interdict in the very first attempt, so maybe its possible.

btw AKASH-NG has range of 80 km
Turkish UCAVs armed with 80-150-180-200-250 km Missile / guided munition / turbojet powered Kamikaze Drone

to destroy Indian AKASH-NG from safe distance

LOL, this range debate seems like the PDF of 2015s.
A SAM is more than just its range.

As I said, long ranged drones which will have to fly high and risk getting detected, will be shot down by the S-300s, or at least will be harassed by it. Armenia's issue was always in short ranges.
That's where most of the bread and butter of the drone and counter drone action took place as we saw in the previous war and in Ukraine. It was the the limited number of short ranged TORs that were an issue for the Azeri drones.

Akash NG is designed to be a mobile system, again, for shoot and scoot, has integrated 6 missile launcher system, IFF, AESA multifunction radar, data & comm link and CCU, all in a single vehicle. Air assets have to come in close if they want to engage it effectively and risk getting shot by it or a supporting SAM unit. Exactly what the Armenians need, multiple mobile SAM units, covering each other and that which allow the supplementary ground forces to move alongside it.

 

[MMM-E]

LOL, most MLRS are more or less interchangeable.
"Best" is only relative to how you're defining it.

Backward Indian technology never can match with superior Turkish - Israeli technologies which were bought by Azerbaijan

Go and dream about PINAKA MLRS which can not hit moving targets


Azerbaijan has superior Turkish TRLG-230 GPS+INS+Laser guided MLRS to hit even moving targets

70 km ground launched variant
150 km air launched varriant


Azerbaijan Army .... superior fire power

-- 6 km TOS-1A 220mm

-- 40 km BM-21 GRAD 122mm
-- 40 km RM-70 122mm
-- 40 km SAKARYA 122mm
-- 40 km LYNX 122mm

-- 45 km LAR-160 160mm
-- 70 km TRLG-230 230mm

-- 90 km SMERCH 300mm
-- 120 km TRG-300 300mm

-- 200 km POLONEZ 301mm
-- 290 km POLONEZ-M 301 mm

-- 150 km EXTRA 306mm

-- 120 km TOCHKA-U
-- 430 km LORA



Armenian Army

6 km TOS
40 km BM-21 GRAD
45 km PİNAKA MK-1
90 km SMERCH
120 km TOCHKA
400-500 km ISKANDER

 

[MMM-E]

And again, the drone has to loiter and wait to detect a target that's on shoot and scoot mode. So, either risk soldiers with laser designators in shorter distances or risk drones, that's the problem an integrated air defence creates.

So funny
Backward India and its pathetic technology

Azerbaijan has Israeli HAROP Kamikaze Drones which destroyed even Armenian S300



Indian 30-80 km AD Systems are easy targets for Turkish technology

Turkish UCAVs are not pathetic American MQ-9 UCAV armed with only 12-25 km HELLFIRE missile and laser guided Bomb



Azerbaijan bought Turkish TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs armed with 80-150-180-250-280 km Missiles/guided Munition

80 km TOLUN-IIR with IIR seeker

150 km IHA-230 supersonic Missile with GPS+INS+Laser seeker

180 km KUZGUN-TJ with IIR or RF seeker

250 km KEMANKES with IR Camera

280 km SOM with GPS+INS+TRN+IBN+ATR and IIR seeker



Azerbaijan buys 400 SOM Cruise Missiles with range of 280 km to hit even S300s

Azerbaijan Acquired Turkish SOM Air-Launched Cruise-Missiles - European Security & Defence

Azeri sources have recently confirmed to ES&D that a number of ROKETSAN-built SOM-B1 ALCMs have been acquired.

euro-sd.com

even Azerbaijani AKINCI UCAVs to carry SOM Cruise Missile

 

[MMM-E]

Akash NG is designed to be a mobile system, again, for shoot and scoot, has integrated 6 missile launcher system, IFF, AESA multifunction radar, data & comm link and CCU, all in a single vehicle.

Indian AKASH-NG and ATAGS are easy target for Turkish technology

even Turkish Kamikaze Drones and land based Missiles - Loitering Munitions will be enough


New concept of tactical level
80 km DELI Kamikaze Drone to find and destroy hostile weapons

Also there are more Turkish Kamikaze Drones for Azerbaijan
-- 60 km ALPAGUT
-- 150-500 km AZAB
-- 200 km SIMSEK
-- 250 km KARGI-E/O

İncluding 200 km SIMSEK Kamikaze Drone with speed of mach 0.85

 

[bloo]

So basically your riposte is, "no we are shtil da besht coz muh appeal to stone" Ok, whatever floats your boat man.

Backward Indian technology never can match with superior Turkish - Israeli technologies which were bought by Azerbaijan

Go and dream about PINAKA MLRS which can not hit moving targets

Armenians more or less don't need to, they'll be interdicting relatively large Azeri forces so a volley of rocket attacks should do the job.

But keep up the hopium on I guess. Very shuper.

Azerbaijan has superior Turkish TRLG-230 GPS+INS+Laser guided MLRS to hit even moving targets

70 km ground launched variant
150 km air launched varriant


Azerbaijan Army .... superior fire power

-- 6 km TOS-1A 220mm

-- 40 km BM-21 GRAD 122mm
-- 40 km RM-70 122mm
-- 40 km SAKARYA 122mm
-- 40 km LYNX 122mm

-- 45 km LAR-160 160mm
-- 70 km TRLG-230 230mm

-- 90 km SMERCH 300mm
-- 120 km TRG-300 300mm

-- 200 km POLONEZ 301mm
-- 290 km POLONEZ-M 301 mm

-- 150 km EXTRA 306mm

-- 120 km TOCHKA-U
-- 430 km LORA



Armenian Army

6 km TOS
40 km BM-21 GRAD
45 km PİNAKA MK-1
90 km SMERCH
120 km TOCHKA
400-500 km ISKANDER

You can keep saying that but if your drones have to move within the detection and tracking envelop of SAMs what's the point.
Even a base level Akash Prime can take it out forget a QRSAM.

Also, even in your description, that seems about evenly matched:

Armenia 40-500km
Azerbaijan 6-430km

So funny
Backward India and its pathetic technology

Azerbaijan has Israeli HAROP Kamikaze Drones which destroyed even Armenian S300



Indian 30-80 km AD Systems are easy targets for Turkish technology

Turkish UCAVs are not pathetic American MQ-9 UCAV armed with only 12-25 km HELLFIRE missile and laser guided Bomb



Azerbaijan bought Turkish TB-2 and AKINCI UCAVs armed with 80-150-180-250-280 km Missiles/guided Munition

80 km TOLUN-IIR with IIR seeker

150 km IHA-230 supersonic Missile with GPS+INS+Laser seeker

180 km KUZGUN-TJ with IIR or RF seeker

250 km KEMANKES with IR Camera

280 km SOM with GPS+INS+TRN+IBN+ATR and IIR seeker

Your drones carrying long ranged weapons will be intercepted by the S-300.

Whereas, radar units like ADTCR & Arudhra(among others) also comes with these SAM systems, that have a max range of 300-400km. They will detect most such drones when they are loitering and/or before they come into an acceptable flight profile. Both informing artillery units to scoot and avoid incoming missile attacks, and SAM units to get ready to either engage or scoot themselves.
So much for "easy" targets.

Azeris will be forced to take risks and fly within the envelop of most of these smaller ranged SAMs whose radars are already pinging the drones.

Azerbaijan buys 400 SOM Cruise Missiles with range of 280 km to hit even S300s

Azerbaijan Acquired Turkish SOM Air-Launched Cruise-Missiles - European Security & Defence

Azeri sources have recently confirmed to ES&D that a number of ROKETSAN-built SOM-B1 ALCMs have been acquired.

euro-sd.com

even Azerbaijani AKINCI UCAVs to carry SOM Cruise Missile
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Your slow flying subsonic missiles itself can be intercepted by S-300, hell, they can be intercepted by Supersonic Tors and Kubs or AA guns that, Armenians already possess.

Indian AKASH-NG and ATAGS are easy target for Turkish technology

even Turkish Kamikaze Drones and land based Missiles - Loitering Munitions will be enough

Depending on what kind of AA systems Armenia buys and the kind of integrated missile defence they institute, your drones won't have to be engaged by the missiles at all.
Towable and cheap, programmable air burst, 40mm smart ammunition will be enough to take out your kamikaze drones. This in conjunction with the Shilka SPAAGs that they already possess.

Akash NG's radar units will detect any oncoming slow flying drones..

 

[Skull and Bones]

Even My uncle was in Korean War
and Me too in the Turkish Army

Turkish Army used TRLG-122/230 MLRS to hit Iranian-Syrian Regime moving military convoy in Syria


ignorant waiter FOINIKAS with silly posts and butthurt feelings

For someone in the army, you have an awful lot of time to waste around.

 

[MMM-E]

Also, even in your description, that seems about evenly matched:

Armenia 40-500km
Azerbaijan 6-430km

Ignorant boys ... Please learn about military before babbling

even 280 km is enough to hit all military targets in Armenia


Armenia
45 km PINAKA MK-1 GPS guided MLRS

Azerbaijan
70 km TRLG-230 GPS+INS+Laser guided MLRS
120 km TRG-300 GPS+INS guided MLRS
200-290 km POLONEZ and POLONEZ-M GPS+INS guided MLRS

Also 150+ km IHA-230 GPS+INS guided supersonic Missile to carry by AKINCI UCAVs



and Azerbaijan has 323 MLRS ... but Armenia has 174 MLRS

Azerbaijan is superior with quality and quantity

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

Armenia
45 km PINAKA MK-1 GPS guided MLRS

75 km

 

[MMM-E]

Your drones carrying long ranged weapons will be intercepted by the S-300.

Azerbaijan destroyed 2 Armenian S300s with Israeli HAROP Kamikaze Drones

and Armenia's old S300s never can stop Azerbaijani AKINCI UCAVs armed with 280 km SOM stealth Cruise Missile

Your slow flying subsonic missiles itself can be intercepted by S-300, hell, they can be intercepted by Supersonic Tors and Kubs or AA guns that, Armenians already possess.

Only in your dreams

even TB-2 UCAVs destroyed 48 TOR , BUK , PANTSIR , OSA Air Defense Systems in Syria,Libya,Ukraine and Karabakh

now TB-2 UCAVs armed with 250 km mini Cruise Missile to hit even S300s from safe distance

and Armenian S300s could not stop even low speed HAROP Kamikaze Drones ( mach 0,4 )

SOM Cruise Missile is stealth and flying below 5 meter and with speed of mach 0.85

Your backward technologies never can match with superior Turkish and Israeli technologies

 

[MMM-E]

Depending on what kind of AA systems Armenia buys and the kind of integrated missile defence they institute, your drones won't have to be engaged by the missiles at all.
Towable and cheap, programmable air burst, 40mm smart ammunition will be enough to take out your kamikaze drones. This in conjunction with the Shilka SPAAGs that they already possess.

So funny

even 40-180 km ground launched KUZGUN-KY / KUZGUN-TJ Missiles are enough to destroy Indian AKASH , and 40 mm AA Gun

Also 180+ km air launched variant with IIR or RF seeker to hit AD Systems from safe distance

or 150+ km IHA-230 supersonic Missile to hit AD Systems from safe distance

or 150 km CAKIR Cruise Missile with dual seeker IIR+RF to hit AD Systems from safe distance

or 100+ km TOLUN guided munition with IIR seeker

We are great Turkish Defense Industry

 

[Foinikas]

So basically your riposte is, "no we are shtil da besht coz muh appeal to stone" Ok, whatever floats your boat man.

That's what he always does. No matter the country. You put Israel,Turkey superior. You put France,Turkey superior. You put Russia? Turkey superior. Iran,China,Germany,Britain,USA,he's done it before.

We are great Turkish Defense Industry

Sounds like a TV ad.

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1717520037949689978

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Your slow flying subsonic missiles itself can be intercepted by S-300, hell, they can be intercepted by Supersonic Tors and Kubs or AA guns that, Armenians already possess.

StormShadows were able to hit S-400 protected Russian Military HQ
Even Neptunes were able to take out S-400 battery
So these slow moving missiles are a big problem for every advarsary.
You are over-hyping AD systems