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What is needed??

Towed Guns-400 guns
Cost of contract- Rs 3200 crores
Status-In limbo ST kinetics blacklisted fresh RFP expected

Tracked Guns-100 guns
Cost of contract-Rs3400 crores
Status- Fresh RFP

Mounted Truck gun-814 guns
Cost of contract-Rs8500 crores
Status- Fresh RFP expected

Ultralight gun-145 guns
Cost of contract- Rs 2500 crores
Status- In progress US M777 being acquired

Wheeled-180 guns
Cost of contract-Rs 4700 crores
Status-Trial awaited

India has 230 artillery regiments waiting modernisation in mean time M-46 130mm Russian guns were bought.
 
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India To Acquire Russian 130mm Guns | India Defence Online

In a sudden turnaround of events, the Indian Army has taken a decision to acquire additional 130mm field guns from the surplus stock of former Soviet republics. This change in policy has been deliberated due to the urgent need to deploy additional artillery along the Sino-Indian border.

Senior Indian Army officials have revealed that they will have to compromise with the 130mm guns as the procurement of light 155mm guns is likely to be delayed due to delays in the defence procurement. The purchase of 155mm guns has been pending for almost a decade. Officials added that the 130mm field guns can be sourced economically and are suited to be deployed along the high altitude border areas.

Currently, the procurement process of ultra light 155mm caliber guns has been stalled since Singapore Technologies, one of the forerunners of the program, was alleged in a scam and blacklisted.

Due to the growing requirements of the Indian Army, a $4 billion artillery modernization programme was cleared which aims to induct roughly 2,814 guns of different types.

The modernization program includes the $1.6 billion project to buy 400 155mm/52-calibre towed artillery guns, which is to be followed by indigenous manufacture of another 1,180 howitzers. The contenders for the acquisition of 400 155mm/52-calibre towed artillery guns are BAE Systems, ST Kinetics of Singapore and Israeli Soltam. India will also acquire 155mm/52-calibre self-propelled tracked guns which is to be followed by indigenous manufacture of another 1,180 howitzers.

There will be an off-the-shelf purchase of 200 155mm/52-calibre mounted gun systems from overseas and will be followed by indigenous manufacture of another 614 such howitzers under transfer of technology. Another project was to acquire 140 air-mobile ultra-light howitzers (ULHs) for $580 million. This is being eagerly awaited since the Indian Army needs ULHs howitzers to ensure artillery can be deployed in remote inaccessible areas.

The new guns are intended to replace the six different calibres the artillery currently deploys. The Indian Army currently has the towed 130 mm M-46 field guns which are used for close support, general support and counter battery fire.

In the mid-90s, India procured about 400 numbers of Russian M-46s and the Field Artillery now has 720 numbers of M-46s. The Indian Army also uses the 105mm Indian Field Guns deployed in the mountainous regions besides the 75mm Pack Gun-Howitzer which remains unsatisfactory in its performance. There is also the 130mm Catapult self-propelled gun which equips only one regiment. Besides, India has the 122mm D-30 towed howitzer used for close support by multiple regiments deployed on the plains.

As for the Bofors 155mm FH-77B howitzer deployed for general support and counter-bombardment, they are successfully deployed along the north-eastern border areas of India. Unfortunately, the Bofors 155mm FH-77B deal got bogged down earlier by a major scandal and India was able to acquire less than one-fourth of the number of howitzers it needed.

The recent move to buy the 130mm field guns has come as an embarrassment since it is a departure from the decision in 1999 to replace all field guns with 155mm caliber guns over the years. Added to that is the fact that no new artillery gun has been inducted ever since the Bofors scam in the 1980s.
 
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Some facts;

* India has not bought artillery guns since 1987 with the Bofors scandal.

* In his book "in the line of fire" General Musharraf noted that "the bulk of Indian artillery in Kargil came from strike formations meant for operations in the southern plains".
* After 26/11 General Deepak Kapoor told the government that the army was not prepared fully for punitive strikes one was the depleted artillery force.

Why need Guns??

In mountaineous regions where manoeuvres are tanks is impossible the artillery is the answer. In the aftermath of Kargil laser guided shells the Krasnapol was acquired but many of them were defective and inspite the "apparent" usefulness of having such shells less than 1% of indian artillery shells are precision guided.
 
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If we make Arjun 120mm Refiled gun then why we cant make artillery gun???

After all it's just a one metal tube???? ( I am mechanical engg. i know difficultys but it's not THAT much difficult yaar)
 
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If we make Arjun 120mm Refiled gun then why we cant make artillery gun???

After all it's just a one metal tube???? ( I am mechanical engg. i know difficultys but it's not THAT much difficult yaar)
i dnt think it is made by india ??
 
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a common sense in metallurgy will do the job i agree with you yash
 
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right now Fresh RFP were issued ,

The modernization program includes the $1.6 billion project to buy 400 155mm/52-calibre towed artillery guns, which is to be followed by indigenous manufacture of another 1,180 howitzers. The contenders for the acquisition of 400 155mm/52-calibre towed artillery guns are BAE Systems, ST Kinetics of Singapore and Israeli Soltam. India will also acquire 155mm/52-calibre self-propelled tracked guns which is to be followed by indigenous manufacture of another 1,180 howitzers.
 
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still on papers with 1 prototype

Not quite right. During the initial contract some 80+ guns were to be procured. User trials were successful way back in 98-99. My source from a major Artillery school in india says that they are inducted and under production with some major modifications. However, with weight issue Bhim like SPGs are effective in plains and deserts only. It has 50+ km range.

Unfortunately, there is not much info on the net regarding its deployment.
 
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If we make Arjun 120mm Refiled gun then why we cant make artillery gun???

After all it's just a one metal tube???? ( I am mechanical engg. i know difficultys but it's not THAT much difficult yaar)

This is just a policy decision. Please remember DRDO's main mandate was (and is) to produce indigenous hardware and software for which technology was restricted or denied to India. This was a bitter reality in late 80s and early 90s. Artillery equipments do not fall under this "technology denial" category and we could purchase them off the shelf in any number we wanted. So, DRDO was never asked to work on 155-mm artillery.

It is only because of scandals and vested interests that we have landed ourselves into this stalemate.

105-mm indian field gun integrated on a truck by TATA.
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What is needed??

Towed Guns-400 guns
Cost of contract- Rs 3200 crores
Status-In limbo ST kinetics blacklisted fresh RFP expected

Tracked Guns-100 guns
Cost of contract-Rs3400 crores
Status- Fresh RFP

Mounted Truck gun-814 guns
Cost of contract-Rs8500 crores
Status- Fresh RFP expected

Ultralight gun-145 guns
Cost of contract- Rs 2500 crores
Status- In progress US M777 being acquired

Wheeled-180 guns
Cost of contract-Rs 4700 crores
Status-Trial awaited

India has 230 artillery regiments waiting modernisation in mean time M-46 130mm Russian guns were bought.

Good topic buddy!!! IA is late but they have started the procurement atleast and hope that the new RFPs/trials are not get canceled.

I hope that they will place a huge order of Bhim as well. We need large number of smart ammo...
 
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