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[nitesh]

India Today - The most widely read newsweekly in South Asia.

If looks could kill
Delhi, August 22, 2008

The Special Protection Group (SPG)—that exclusively protects the prime minister, Congress President Sonia Gandhi and former prime ministers—unveiled a new sub-unit on Independence Day.

As its 'principal' (bodyguard-speak for the protectee) delivered the traditional address from the ramparts of the Red Fort, the SPG's new counter-assault force stood guard below.

The force is meant to withstand and repel heavy fire assaults even as the SPG's proximate protection whisks the prime minister away to safety. It is equipped with body armour capable of withstanding AK-47 rounds.

The counter-assault force has replaced traditional SPG weapons like the venerable Uzi, MP-5 sub-machine guns and Glock pistols with Belgian arms maker FN Herstal products- the 'Five Seven' pistol, the P-90 submachine gun and FN 2000 Tactical Assault Rifle.

SPG officials say the force, first introduced by the US Secret Service, was specially trained and fielded after threat perceptions of attacks by heavily armed, bulletproof jacket-wearing desperadoes. The 5.7x28 mm armour-piercing ammunition fired by the P-90 pistol can deal with such threats.

In the pipeline are special armoured cars for the force. The SPG will get its own wings-four of 12 VVIP triple-engined helicopters being contracted from Italy's Augusta-Westland at a cost of Rs 110 crore each. Who said protecting the chief executive came cheap.

 

[vish]

^Nitesh: The pic in your avatar... those are the guys, right?

Kick-arse...

 

[nitesh]

^Nitesh: The pic in your avatar... those are the guys, right?

Kick-arse...

Yes that image appeared on 16th august in ToI. Good to see them getting the equipment they deserve.

 

[jaison]

Indian Army To Test Spike Missiles
By vivek raghuvanshi
Published: 18 Jun 11:57 EDT (15:57 GMT)
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NEW DELHI - The Indian Army will start user trials next week of Rafael's Spike anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) in the deserts of Rajasthan, the upper reaches of Jammu and Kashmir, and the hilly terrain of Uttarkhand state. Rafael, the missile's Israeli manufacturer, will bear the full expense of the trials.

The tests are part of the Army's process of procuring 550 ATGMs under a December 2006 global tender worth $37.5 million, which included bids from MBDA, Raytheon and Rosoboronexport. During technical evaluation in January, the Army short-listed only Rafael's Spike, finding no other ATGM suitable for the special forces' needs.
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The Spike is a lightweight (9-kilogram), anti-armor, fire-and-forget missile for operation at short ranges of 50 to 800 meters. It can be fired in less then 30 seconds from the off position, which was one of the requirements of the Indian Army. The missile can hit targets behind earthen walls as it travels in a trajectory.

The Spike's short range will enable the special forces to operate from confined spaces, so operators can take firing positions in bunkers, buildings, etc.

The lightweight ATGM also can be shoulder-fired.

The Indian Army also has firmed up its requirements for more than 3,000 new-generation ATGMs to arm its T-72 and T-90 tanks and BMP-II infantry combat vehicles. The need to procure the new missiles has arisen because problems with the Nag ATGM, developed by India's Defence Research and Development Organisation, have delayed its induction for more than 10 years.
Indian Army To Test Spike Missiles - Defense News

 

[nitesh]

I don't why this line was written in this article

The need to procure the new missiles has arisen because problems with the Nag ATGM, developed by India's Defence Research and Development Organisation, have delayed its induction for more than 10 years.

cos NAG was never meant to be man portable, any way latest news says that the trials are successful and user trail are due this year so will come to know the stauts in coming months.

 

[jaison]

I don't why this line was written in this article


cos NAG was never meant to be man portable, any way latest news says that the trials are successful and user trail are due this year so will come to know the stauts in coming months.

may be the man portable version is not ready
Helicopter version of Nag under way

M. Somasekhar



Hyderabad , March 24

HAVING successfully completed the development phase of the third generation anti-tank missile Nag, Indian defence scientists are now working on two new versions — helicopter launched and man portable.

The helicopter version or ALH-Nag system, is being developed jointly by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and the public sector, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) in association with the Army Aviation, the end user.

The missile system is expected to be integrated into the ALH (advanced light helicopter), the combat aircraft by end June.

It will have the capability to deploy up to eight missiles, according to Mr S.S. Mishra, Project Director of Nag, Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL), here.

The first trial of this version is expected to be conducted towards the end of 2005.

It will give a major tactical advantage to the Army in battlefield, Mr Mishra said.

Missile scientists will also start working on the third generation, `Man Portable' Nag very soon. It would weigh less than 14 kg.

Currently, the US has second generation missiles in this class, Mr Mishra told Business Line.

On March 19, Nag, which has `fire and forget' and homing devices, completed the development trials, after two successful tests at the Army Test Range in Ahmednagar, Maharashtra.

The fifty-sixth and fifty-seventh tests, established all the required capabilities, making it one of the best amongits class in the world, he said.

User trials with the participation of the Indian Army are slated for the end of the year. Thereafter, once the Army places an order, the necessary numbers would be produced by the Hyderabad-based, Bharat Dynamics Ltd (BDL).

The public-sector, BDL has already taken up the pre-production on a limited scale.

 

[nitesh]

Helicopter version is HELINA, which is under development but as you link says that the scientists will start working on it so definitely it will take time and army is looking for right now. Hence my question for that particular line. This will be interesting part as NAG is a 2 stage missile and weighs around 40-45 kg converting it to a man portable version!

 

[jaison]

Helicopter version is HELINA, which is under development but as you link says that the scientists will start working on it so definitely it will take time and army is looking for right now. Hence my question for that particular line. This will be interesting part as NAG is a 2 stage missile and weighs around 40-45 kg converting it to a man portable version!

may be they are looking for smaller nos for temporary use........but i didnt hear abt man portable nag after this article,afterall it is the most advanced atgm and we must use this technology in all possible areas.

 

[nitesh]

may be they are looking for smaller nos for temporary use........but i didnt hear abt man portable nag after this article,afterall it is the most advanced atgm and we must use this technology in all possible areas.

NAG is not "the most advanced" but it is "one of the most advanced" weapon. It uses IIR seeker for zeroing in. But the next step should be towards having the milli metric wave seeker, so it can be made more effective.

 

[jaison]

there are 3 new pics of spgs....
:: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::

 

[nitesh]

outlookindia.com | wired

Army General to take command of nuclear arsenal

NEW DELHI, AUG 25(PTI)
For the first time, an army General is set to take over command of the country's strategic forces and nuclear arsenal.

Lt-Gen Balraj Singh Nagal will take over command of the country's strategic forces and nuclear arsenal, an official announcement said.

Nagal, currently Director General (logistics) at the army headquarters, will take over as Commander-In-Chief of the strategic forces command on September 30, the announcement said.

The army general will take over from Vice-Admiral Vijay Shanker, who has been shifted as Commander-In-Chief of the nation's other Tri-service command based in Andaman and Nicobar Island.

Nagal, would be the first army officer to take over command of the nuclear weapon operating forces. So far, only Air Force and Naval officers have headed the command, which was set up very recently.

Army along with Air Force are the only two forces operating nuclear missiles and bombs. India, so far, is making efforts to build an under-sea missile launch capability.

Army has raised three to four specialised missile groups to operate both the short- and the long-range surface-to-surface Prithvi and Agni missiles. Both the missiles have the capability to carry conventional as well as nuclear warheads.

Army has also set up a new unit to operate the Indo-Russian supersonic Brahmos cruise missile.

 

[nitesh]

guys check this, good read:

DNA - Signature - Requiem for unsung soldiers - Daily News & Analysis

 

[jaison]

this very emotional

The 2 Rajputs suffered horrendously but lived up to the Regiment's reputation. Of the 513 all ranks, 282 were killed that morning, 81 were wounded and captured, 90 were captured unwounded. Only 60 men, mostly rear elements got away. The Gorkhas lost 80 dead, 44 wounded and 102 captured. The 7th Brigade lost a total of 493 men that morning. The Chinese also lost heavily. Lt. Col. Rikh was captured & subjected to repeated interrogations on the characteristics of the Rajputs. He was told it was because the Chinese suffered their maximum casualties in NEFA (North East Frontier Agency). In the bitter flush of defeat, the valour of these men went un-recognised. In the small village of Lumpu, on the track leading to the Hathung La pass, stands a memorial. A memorial consisting of a tin shed under which loose wooden boards are stacked with names of those who fell in the battle. To rub salt in the wounds, not all the men are mentioned. This is considered sufficient to honour them!

A poem by Ms. Harji Malik captures the anguish of the men;

As the brutal rock shatters the placid glass
into a thousand irreparable fragment
A bitter grief is hurled at normalcy and peace.
Never will they be quite complete again
The crack of pain and death will always show
The weeping of wives bereft, of the anguished old
Will echo down the years of history
The wasted unspent lives, the loss of years
Too many to be counted
Too precious to be valued
A generation unborn, man's immortality...
there is the bitterness
So violent that the heart revolts and weeps
unceasing, arid, unshed tears
The sense of shame, of betrayal unforgivable
Never to be redeemed
Of sacrifice avoidable, insensate
that is the guilt we share
The valley is silent shrouded in death's immobility final and absolute.
But the soundless cry from the mountains beats upon our ears
Pitiless and Undeniable
We died, unsecured, helpless
We were your soldiers, men of bravery and pride
Yet we died like animals, trapped in a cage with no escape
Massacred at will, denied the dignity of battle
With the cold burning flame of anger and resolution
With the courage both of the living and the dead.
Avenge our un-played lives
Redeem the unredeemable sacrifice
In freedom and integrity
Let this be your inheritance
and our unwritten epitaph.

never forget the heroes who died without recognition,this is supreme sacrifice "fighting for the country knowing that you will be killed and forgotten" pay the tribute they deserve 'jai hind'.

 

[nitesh]

Guys some good news:

Pune plans tech upgrade for soldiers-Pune-Cities-The Times of India

Pune plans tech upgrade for soldiers
27 Aug 2008, 0342 hrs IST,TNN

PUNE: City-based Armament research and development establishment (ARDE) is developing technology which it hopes will turn the future soldier into a “system in himself”.

From computer-monitored body suits conveying details of the soldier’s health to the nearest post to shoes that generate charge as he walks for batteries in the equipment he’ll carry, the future infantry soldier as a system (F-INSAS) project aims to accomplish much more.

Surendra Kumar, director of ARDE, told reporters on Tuesday that the programme will integrate a miniature computer system with the soldier.

While the current cost of indegeniously developing the technology is pegged between Rs 75 and Rs 100 crore, it would cost the country around Rs 500 crore to import the same, said Kumar.

“Currently, the capacity of a soldier on the border is limited to the equipment he carries. We seek to empower him with multi-purpose weapons that will help him through every possible situation,” said Kumar.

The ARDE is working on ‘round the corner combat’ weapons that will help locate the exact position of the enemy and communicate that to the soldier. “The new weapons will have long range and high accuracy,” said Kumar.

Giving details of the body suit the ARDE is developing, Kumar said it will have nodes monitoring the soldier’s health while he is out on the field. In the event of him being hit or injured, his condition will be auto-communicated to the nearest post.

Kumar said that while the weapon prototypes “have been realised”, the ARDE will discuss the designs with the Army. “It will take three years to roll out the state-of-the-art weapons and five years for the entire concept of F-INSAS. We make it a point to involve the ultimate users right from the concept stage,” said Kumar.

‘Invisible’ vehicle The ultimate protection for the soldier is the proposed infantry combat vehicle (F-ICV) containing special armaments. “Key highlight of the vehicle is that certain protruding instruments will automatically change colour according to the surroundings, such that they are invisible to the naked eye,” said Kumar.

 

[levi eshkol]

colour changing vehicle is good,israel working on it too,i saw that imi and india are together working on fcs,red dot for tavor-2 and new indian rifle at isracast.

indian wanted smaller carbine than full length rifle to take out terrorists and also use for battle,from previous war indian troop told most engagements below 300 to 350m.


idf also feel same so the cooperation.


my sagar told me indians good at hand to hand fight but not experienced as we are.

insas also there in my trining center it shoot like m-16,shorter than m-16 and range also small ,accuracy same but tavor is better than insas.


insas does not look good orange but less stucking than m-16.