Indian Army News & Discussions

[Lord Of Gondor]

Ashok Leyland trucks with the Iraqi Army!
I googled for more information and found this:

Ashok Leyland has also bagged an order for 139 vehicles worth $10.5 million from the Honduras Armed Forces (HAF). These vehicles will augment the transport resources of HAF to carry out key poverty eradication programmes and for other humanitarian purposes.


Ashok Leyland has been contracted to supply a range of vehicles that include the 4×4 Stallion trucks, the 4×4 Topchi trucks and 4930 Tractor and Falcon long buses. All these vehicles will be left-hand drives.

“This order marks our foray into Latin America which has been one of our target markets,” said Mr. R. Seshasayee, Managing Director, Ashok Leyland. “This order is hard-won since our vehicles have to undergo very extensive and strenuous trials on terrains and in conditions where they have to be employed. It is also heartening to note that our vehicles are going to be used for humanitarian purposes by the Honduras Armed Forces”.

Thailand has been another recent breakthrough. Following trials, the Stallion 4×4 and Stallion 6×6 have been approved by the Royal Thai Army and an initial lot of 10 Stallion 6×6 vehicles have already been supplied.

Ashok Leyland is the largest supplier of logistics vehicles to the Indian Army with over 50,000 of them in use, including the Stallion 4×4 vehicles that form its logistics backbone. A pioneer in the design, development and manufacture of Defence vehicles, the company has a comprehensive range like Stallion 4×4, Stallion 6×6, Stallion Aquatherma, a specially-designed water bowzer, Light Recovery Vehicle (LRV) 4×4, Topchi 4×4, Field Artillery Truck (FAT) 6×6, Crash Fire Tender (CFT) 6×6, Truck Fire Fighter (TFF) 4×2 and Light Specialist Vehicle (LSV).
All these vehicles are tried and tested in altitudes ranging from sea-level to over 5,500 metres and in temperatures ranging from -35 degree Celsius to +55 degree Celsius.

Big Honduras Armed Forces order for AL vehicles | Motorindia
Seems that the Stallions have takers outside the Indian Armed Forces, too!

 

[Hindustani78]

Two officers killed in Army helicopter crash in J&K - The Times of India

Rajat Pandit,TNN | Feb 11, 2015, 10.32 PM

NEW DELHI: In yet another helicopter crash in the armed forces, two officers were killed when their advanced light helicopter Dhruv crashed in the Ganderbal area of Jammu and Kashmir on Wednesday night.

The Army said the Indigenous Dhruv helicopter, which had taken from Srinagar, was on a night training sortie when the accident took at Safapura at about 7.43 pm. "The two pilots, a Lt-Col and a major, were killed in the crash. Their bodies were found when the search and rescue party reached the crash site at 9 pm," said an officer.

A court of inquiry ordered into the mishap will ascertain the exact reason for the crash. But the twin-engine Dhruvs, manufactured by defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics, have had a worrisome flight safety record.

As reported by TOI last month, it has also adversely impacted the plan to export the Dhruvs in large numbers. Ecuador, for instance, recently ordered "restricted operations" of the seven Dhruv choppers acquired from India after four mishaps.

In India, in July last year, two officers and five other IAF personnel were killed when their 5.5-tonne Dhruv helicopter crashed in a field near Sitapur, about 70 km from Lucknow.

An Army Dhruv had crashed on the glacial heights of Siachen-Saltoro Ridge in May 2013, while another ALH had gone down in Sikkim in April 2011, killing the two pilots and two soldiers on board. In October 2011, a BSF Dhruv had gone down near Ranchi, killing three persons.

The armed forces have inducted over 140 Dhruvs manufactured by HAL since 2002. But the entire fleet has been grounded a few times due to technical snags in the past, which included being found unsuitable for multi-role requirements due to excess weight and limited engine power.

RIP

 

[Hindustani78]

Two officers killed in Army helicopter crash in J&K - The Times of India

Rajat Pandit,TNN | Feb 11, 2015, 10.32 PM

NEW DELHI: In yet another helicopter crash in the armed forces, two officers were killed when their advanced light helicopter Dhruv crashed in the Ganderbal area of Jammu and Kashmir on Wednesday night.

The Army said the Indigenous Dhruv helicopter, which had taken from Srinagar, was on a night training sortie when the accident took at Safapura at about 7.43 pm. "The two pilots, a Lt-Col and a major, were killed in the crash. Their bodies were found when the search and rescue party reached the crash site at 9 pm," said an officer.

A court of inquiry ordered into the mishap will ascertain the exact reason for the crash. But the twin-engine Dhruvs, manufactured by defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics, have had a worrisome flight safety record.

As reported by TOI last month, it has also adversely impacted the plan to export the Dhruvs in large numbers. Ecuador, for instance, recently ordered "restricted operations" of the seven Dhruv choppers acquired from India after four mishaps.

In India, in July last year, two officers and five other IAF personnel were killed when their 5.5-tonne Dhruv helicopter crashed in a field near Sitapur, about 70 km from Lucknow.

An Army Dhruv had crashed on the glacial heights of Siachen-Saltoro Ridge in May 2013, while another ALH had gone down in Sikkim in April 2011, killing the two pilots and two soldiers on board. In October 2011, a BSF Dhruv had gone down near Ranchi, killing three persons.

The armed forces have inducted over 140 Dhruvs manufactured by HAL since 2002. But the entire fleet has been grounded a few times due to technical snags in the past, which included being found unsuitable for multi-role requirements due to excess weight and limited engine power.

RIP

The Chief of Army Staff, General Dalbir Singh Pays condolences to the family of Lt. Col Rajesh Gulati prior to cremation, in New Delhi on February 13, 2015.

The Chief of Army Staff, General Dalbir Singh paying homage to Lt. Col Rajesh Gulati who passed away in helicopter crash, in New Delhi on February 13, 2015.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Tata Xenon pick up trucks with the Shi'a militias of Iraq!

 

[possumlot]

Its high time HAL need a harsh lesson , scrape / dump this chopper and its useless variants LCH/Rudra

Its high time IA learn to maintain their Helicopters and train their pilots not to crash them.

 

[possumlot]

its not fault of IA its HAL's shitty products which crash worldwide (Ecuador) and many in India claiming many brave lives . Time to shut /sell this dam psu

HAL products have passed certification from CEMILAC, DGAQA and Army Quality inspectors when they were purchased

So the only possible conclusion is that the IA has been doing a poor job of maintaining the AC or a very poor job of flying the copter.

 

[AMCA]

what about Ecuador ?

You are speaking as though Dhruv is the first and last Helicopter to crash anywhere in world. Its a Certified machine that has been tested in all the possible terrains and in extreme weather conditions. ALH Dhruv is a product born out from the RFP issued by the Army, which no helicopter manufacturer could meet and still cannot. Dhruv is a Machine that has no competition but itself.

Tell Me one helicopter in its class that can carry the weight that Dhruv carries and delivers it to the terrain Dhruv does.

 

[possumlot]

what about Ecuador ?

The investigation will reveal the real reason. The only two options are Poor piloting or poor maintenance. Take your pick.

 

[Krate M]

Or freak bad weather. Microenvironment factor cannot be ruled out yet.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Its high time IA learn to maintain their Helicopters and train their pilots not to crash them.

So the only possible conclusion is that the IA has been doing a poor job of maintaining the AC or a very poor job of flying the copter.

How many have the IA crashed? The IA has just as good a safety record with the ALH as anyone else but crashes do happen.


The IA has some of the finest helo pilots in the world, look into their training at CATS.

what about Ecuador ?

Look at the EAF a little closer, they crash every helo they've ever inducted in large numbers. Past crashes have been attributed to pilot error and I wouldn't rule that out in the recent crashes either, they are a liability.

 

[possumlot]

How many have the IA crashed? The IA has just as good a safety record with the ALH as anyone else but crashes do happen.
The IA has some of the finest helo pilots in the world, look into their training at CATS.

Then we have nothing to worry about. We especially don't have to worry about anyone shifting blame to HAL

 

[Abingdonboy]

Then we have nothing to worry about. We especially don't have to worry about anyone shifting blame to HAL

Given the number of ALHs in service with their exceptional safety record I don't think it is hair to start pointing fingers at the go-to scapegoat HAL- unless it is proven they shoulder some of the blame. Realistically one can't dispute the fact that most aviation crashes these days are down to pilot error and this is something that one can reduce but never completely eliminate.

 

[Abingdonboy]

India’s ‘Dhruv’ Helicopter falls under the Scanner as Ecuador Expresses Dissatisfaction enough of defending HAL they have poor track record with anything they manufacture from migs , su 30 to dhruv , time to overhaul / privatize this ugly PSU

They have produced hundreds, if not thousands of aircraft for India and foreign nations, their record speaks for itself. The "bad apples" are those that have been used far, far too long and well past their initial recommended service lives (Cheetak, Cheetah, MiG-21/27, Deepak etc ). You can't blame HAL for that.

HAL gets a bad name but the amount of abuse they get is not reflected in their actual performance, without HAL India would be in a far more dire situation as far as fleet strengths go.

Look at the ALH fleet and actually tell me what is extraordinary about its safety record, discount the EAF and the safety record of the ALH is very good and comparable to any Western product.

 

[Abingdonboy]

data speaks truth and only truth blood of brave pilots in on hands of corrupt HAL babus HAL Dhruv - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pilots Who Flew Crashed Dhruv Were Experienced. Chopper Has a History of Crashes

This isn't anything, a wiki page and a sensationalist Indian media article?

Prove to me this aircraft is inherently unsafe i.e. how many crashes per 10,000 hours of this aircraft occur (the industry standard of analysing safe of fleets), if you can't do this and continue to pull up ill-informed and, frankly, stupid articles written by those who don't have a clue about these things then I'd ask you to stop quoting me as our conversation is over.

 

[kurup]

read carefully wiki link has all news compilation of accidents of shit copter dhruv

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