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Indian Army enrolling Afghan ANA defectors into its ranks.

At least try to understand what the other person is saying before replying. And come out of this fantasy world.
Ok mr genius. Tell me what you think pak should do considering this new threat?
Anyways it’s a public forum I can share my opinion if you have a issue ignore it.
 
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The only long term solution is a stable Afghan state that is economically intertwined with Pakistan. The EU ensured politic stability through economic interdependence. Both countries need to speed up projects that help rebuild Afghanistan on a basis that also benefits Pakistan. Restoring the irrigation system so people are not vulnerable to be recruited by Indian sponsored groups. Rail and road connections so Afghan produce and minerals can get to world markets (and pass through Pakistani industry to stimulate economic development in Pakistan as well)

Hence the need to speed up CPEC and extend it into Afghanistan.

All these efforts by the Indians will be to bog down Pakistan and Afghanistan and keep them from developing, widening the economic difference between them and India.

Pakistan needs an agreement with Afghanistan for deficit free movement of people in exchange for Afghanistan working with Pakistan on economic projects and getting their politics right so they are no longer an international pariah. Tying all the groups along the way in various projects will also make it in their interest to support the development of the projects and not undermine them for payments by the RAW.
I agree. Our economies must be connected for long term peace. But for that to happen in Afghanistan we a government ready to do it in Afghanistan. So far Taliban Government are ready to cooperate with us economically and want cpec to extend into Afghanistan. But there’s also part of a IEA faction in Afghanistan which wants war with us. That’s why we need to strengthen pro pak factions in IEA so they have most control in Afghanistan.
We also need a defence agreement of some sort with Afghanistan because many afghans still believe in the loy Afghanistan stuff. A defence agreement with Afghanistan means we can keep those etho nationalists in check while being sure our western border is secure especially if we’re having a war with india. Afghanistan has invaded us in the past and has made plans to invade our Pakhtun areas if we go to war with India in the past. So we must have a plan to deal with this because no matter how much our economies are linked there can still be a war if one side doesn’t recognize the sovereignty of another.
Ukraine and Russian economies were well connected but war still broke out between them.
 
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Ok mr genius. Tell me what you think pak should do considering this new threat?
Anyways it’s a public forum I can share my opinion if you have a issue ignore it.
I don't have any issue brother, your thinking is good, but the problem is those who are responsible for these things are busy in other things and don't give a damn.

Cut them in on some of the business, and watch American mining companies lobbying to have this done, like Unocal and the Turkmen Pipeline proposal of the 90s. Pakistan has to do the hard work of getting this organized, but once the ground work is laid down, mining and processing concessions can be given to an equal number of Pakistani (probably Frontier Works), US, European, GCC, and Chinese companies to keep all partners happy. Basically the Mongolian model.

If these mining ventures can keep Afghan stable and peaceful, all the better. Look at all the business for western companies in the GCC companies as a result of the oil business.
Cut them on to some business, like we can? Who is going to stop American companies from taking over everything?
We gave Canadian company permission to explore gold and copper reserves in Balochistan, they bribed the officials and started mining. When we objected they coerced us through different international means and finally got 50% share in the whole project. That was Canadian company,if any US company comes like this they will take everything and no one can even ask them to give us a little share.
This scenario offcourse is under current slave regime, things will be different under IK.
 
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I agree. Our economies must be connected for long term peace. But for that to happen in Afghanistan we a government ready to do it in Afghanistan. So far Taliban Government are ready to cooperate with us economically and want cpec to extend into Afghanistan. But there’s also part of a IEA faction in Afghanistan which wants war with us. That’s why we need to strengthen pro pak factions in IEA so they have most control in Afghanistan.
We also need a defence agreement of some sort with Afghanistan because many afghans still believe in the loy Afghanistan stuff. A defence agreement with Afghanistan means we can keep those etho nationalists in check while being sure our western border is secure especially if we’re having a war with india. Afghanistan has invaded us in the past and has made plans to invade our Pakhtun areas if we go to war with India in the past. So we must have a plan to deal with this because no matter how much our economies are linked there can still be a war if one side doesn’t recognize the sovereignty of another.
Ukraine and Russian economies were well connected but war still broke out between them.
You are talking about things we could do if we are free and independent, which we are not.
 
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I agree. Our economies must be connected for long term peace. But for that to happen in Afghanistan we a government ready to do it in Afghanistan. So far Taliban Government are ready to cooperate with us economically and want cpec to extend into Afghanistan. But there’s also part of a IEA faction in Afghanistan which wants war with us. That’s why we need to strengthen pro pak factions in IEA so they have most control in Afghanistan.
We also need a defence agreement of some sort with Afghanistan because many afghans still believe in the loy Afghanistan stuff. A defence agreement with Afghanistan means we can keep those etho nationalists in check while being sure our western border is secure especially if we’re having a war with india. Afghanistan has invaded us in the past and has made plans to invade our Pakhtun areas if we go to war with India in the past. So we must have a plan to deal with this because no matter how much our economies are linked there can still be a war if one side doesn’t recognize the sovereignty of another.
Ukraine and Russian economies were well connected but war still broke out between them.

Pakistani Pashtuns are the only ones that can keep out Afghan Pashtuns. By that I mean, law in each part of Pakistan needs to be divided into partially a common federal law, plus some law common to the province, and then some law common to the district. In this way the law will reflect the wishes of the locals of each area, while upholding a common law across Pakistan on certain issues. This is basically the same way the law works in the US and it has been accepted by most of the population.

As far as dealing with factions that want to work with Pakistan and those that oppose Pakistan, just let the FDI talk. Couple part of the development to how fast projects can be built in an area (because the projects have to fund the local tax base, also similar to how it is done in the US).

As far as a defense agreement, the Afghans need to uphold all aspects of the Doha agreement (no foreign groups) and get international recognition (uphold promises like broad representation/minority right and all students can go to schools) , so that Pakistan can officially recognize them. With these conditions met, defense cooperation can be worked out.

Having said all this, Pakistan should be weary of the possibility there might be Afghan backsliding on its commitments and can put all its eggs on Afghan cooperation working indefinitely. Hence, why the border needs to be policed, even if Afghan citizens are eventually allowed to travel more easily. Pakistan can not be made responsible for the decisions of the Afghans.
 
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Who is Farzana Shah? Is a twitter feed based on assertion now the new standard for treating it as legitimate info and launching into a debate?
 
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I don't have any issue brother, your thinking is good, but the problem is those who are responsible for these things are busy in other things and don't give a damn.


Cut them on to some business, like we can? Who is going to stop American companies from taking over everything?
We gave Canadian company permission to explore gold and copper reserves in Balochistan, they bribed the officials and started mining. When we objected they coerced us through different international means and finally got 50% share in the whole project. That was Canadian company,if any US company comes like this they will take everything and no one can even ask them to give us a little share.
This scenario offcourse is under current slave regime, things will be different under IK.
Reko Diq was negotiated prior to IK’s government. And once in office, IK’s government tried to fix the issue as best they could. This is why a strong state is necessary, so that it can protect the interests of the people. While currently out of office, IMHO, IK should spending some of his time working to organize a $10-20 Billion investment commitment by friendly nations and Overseas Pakistanis to finally fix these structural issues and get the ball rolling on projects like Reko-Diq on more fair terms to course correct and earn back revenue. With that kind of bailout, IK could get the backing of a good portion of the domestic business community and foreign lenders. Just look at all the changes being done just to get a few billion from the IMF. But for such a large bailout foreign lenders will want real political reforms.

Also if Afghanistan is no longer a pariah, a few billion there way to rebuild their irrigation system and build a few dams should help with their food situation. Making it possible for some refugees to go home, should they choose. PTI can continue to work on building relations with Afghan officials and tribes in all areas (edpxully in areas with mines and in need of irrigation canals from rivers shared with KPK), considering they are still the government in KPK.

The key to not being explored by foreign companies is to at least have a decent domestic partner company that knows how to do most of what a foreign company can do. Therefore, I hope IK works to try to attract overseas Pakistanis and local Pakistanis with the best skills and enough capital to work on some of the mining projects once he is back in office.

A lot needs to be waiting in the wings, once, Inshallah, PTI is back in power. With these kinds of initiatives, there shouldn’t be any fertile ground for RAW sponsored people to lay down roots again. And with western coampjies making a profit in Afghanistan, western governments can put pressure on India to keep their activities in Afghanistan solely peaceful.
 
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Reko Diq was negotiated prior to IK’s government. And once in office, IK’s government tried to fix the issue as best they could. This is why a strong state is necessary, so that it can protect the interests of the people. While currently out of office, IMHO, IK should spending some of his time working to organize a $10-20 Billion investment commitment by friendly nations and Overseas Pakistanis to finally fix these structural issues and get the ball rolling on projects like Reko-Diq on more fair terms to course correct and earn back revenue. With that kind of bailout, IK could get the backing of a good portion of the domestic business community and foreign lenders. Just look at all the changes being done just to get a few billion from the IMF. But for such a large bailout foreign lenders will want real political reforms.

Besides reform they want stability and trust, at moment we don’t have that and honestly even foreign leaders are turned away at the sight of PDM lotas everyone has had enough. Nations are looking for partners they can grow with and not be a burden on there shoulders whereas they have to carry that individual to the finish line every time. Anyone after awhile gets tired of the beggar sitting at the masjid doorsteps and will continue to ignore him.

Case in point: the new report showing Overseas Pakistanis took money out of Roshan Digitsl accounts etc., and that’s the start and it’ll accelerate soon.

Pakistan doesn’t offer any benefits at moment and with each institution stepping over the other doesn’t present a good image either.
 
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Reko Diq was negotiated prior to IK’s government. And once in office, IK’s government tried to fix the issue as best they could. This is why a strong state is necessary, so that it can protect the interests of the people. While currently out of office, IMHO, IK should spending some of his time working to organize a $10-20 Billion investment commitment by friendly nations and Overseas Pakistanis to finally fix these structural issues and get the ball rolling on projects like Reko-Diq on more fair terms to course correct and earn back revenue. With that kind of bailout, IK could get the backing of a good portion of the domestic business community and foreign lenders. Just look at all the changes being done just to get a few billion from the IMF. But for such a large bailout foreign lenders will want real political reforms.
If IK comes to power a lot can and will be done for Pakistan. Right now under current slave regime we can do nothing in our interest.
 
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Besides reform they want stability and trust, at moment we don’t have that and honestly even foreign leaders are turned away at the sight of PDM lotas everyone has had enough. Nations are looking for partners they can grow with and not be a burden on there shoulders whereas they have to carry that individual to the finish line every time. Anyone after awhile gets tired of the beggar sitting at the masjid doorsteps and will continue to ignore him.

Case in point: the new report showing Overseas Pakistanis took money out of Roshan Digitsl accounts etc., and that’s the start and it’ll accelerate soon.

Pakistan doesn’t offer any benefits at moment and with each institution stepping over the other doesn’t present a good image either.
While waiting for PTI to be back in power. PTI, as the government of KPK can still visit Afghanistan and try to impress upon them to do what they have to, so they are no longer an international pariah, and can get more foreign to get their irrigation system rebuilt. With more land under cultivation, they can fully feed their people, and employ so many people, ending two crisis with one solution.
Improvements to the Afghan irrigation system can mitigate flooding coming from Afghanistan, and can help increase water from their mountains making their way first into Baluchistan and KPK, but eventually to Punjab and Sindh. That should help PTI win more national support come General elections. There is a lot the PTI can be doing now, that will indirectly pay off down the line, politically and in improving the economy.


PTI already has earned some trust foreign the Afghans due to their policy of “Absolutely Not”, so they should cash in on it. They need to ask the Afghans to help themselves (by implementing the policies they stated to the international community they were going to implement) and in the process make it easier for a Pakistan to get investors lined up for Afghanistan’s mining sector once PTI is back in power.

Btw, A lot of what needs to be done, to help the Afghans doesn’t have to be guess work. A lot can be learned from the SIGAR reports over the last 10-15 years. For example, a lot of the agricultural modernization proposed under CPEC phase 2, can be expanded to Afghanistan, helping to raise yields as quickly as possible with the minimal of inputs.


Indians are hoping the Afghans make blunders and have the people revolt against their current government. But if the current government can get the economy rolling and restore the rights they promised, the people will be so busy, there won’t be any recruits for groups like TTP or BLA or whatever. Idle hands are the devils best friends.
 
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I guess it is more plausible that they r used by RAW than IA... as Kashmir will be highlighted that IA is using mercenaries
 
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While the political and economic situation continues to deteriorate inside Pakistan our borders are also witnessing cunning forays in amidst all this turmoil India is trying its utmost not only to change the demographics in IOK but to further stimulate instability across our Eastern and Western borders only this time it is resorting to Lar o Bar Afghandus as all other options have been met with stiff resistance.


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India and even Afghanistan, we can handle. It is the internal strife and chaos that can take us down. The wave of misguided anger at the Military is not in our best interest and so whomever is igniting the fire against the Military is the real enemy.
 
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