indian army chief says pakistan must be secular if they want to stay together with india

[mingle]

Pakistan to become secular and India becoming Hindu right Bipan

 

[Nilgiri]

@hellfire

How's this? Hindus show a little bit of backbone after 70 years and we are set to become a Hindu nation in a very short time.

@MilSpec @Nilgiri

Desperation and triggering potential is juicy and inversely potential to market cap accumulation I have noticed. It was fun adding near 10 times Pakistans entire market cap in just one year....the blowback here on the trolling grounds are to be expected. Army chief knows how to get good ROI for all of it hehe.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Hindu extremist talking about secularism.

Fucking joker

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[MilSpec]

during old days prior to partition we used to have people who had names like Muhammed Ram

Muslims and Hindus were so mixed they were confused, half muslim half hindu bit like these misguided muslim actors of Bollywood

then some great believers decided enough was enough, believers can't be together with idol worshippers

then came the idea of a separate homeland for muslims by muslims

they then made Pakistan, a clean pure nation free from hindus

where muslims would practice their religion free from idol influences

at the start our forefather did well, they created a Pakistan and we up and till 1970s we were doing great

somewhere after that we got lost and messed up

but principles is there, muslim and hindu CANNOT live together

look how Israel treats the Palestinians thats how we would live under Hindus why go far look at Kashmir

so be grateful we have a home and be grateful we are muslim and never ever let go of your religion and sacrifices of our forefathers

India is historical arch enemy of Muslims and Pakistan their opinion is always wrong

Hindu-Zionist is alliance that is our greatest threat and I hope one day I see Pakistan smash this alliance back into the Stone Age, then history will one day say there used to be a country called India and Israel

Awesome Post. @Oscar @hellfire @Joe Shearer @randomradio @anant_s
M.A Jinnah would be proud.

 

[I.R.A]

Secular like india????????? Is there any truth in india being secular? india is not a secular state by its own choice but it had to appear as one because of demanding situation it was in, else it would have collapsed. The different people that have to live there together, live so because their economic, financial and life standard doesn't allow them to think anything else. Poverty and worst living conditions for majority of them, make these people a community in its own. Millions remain like that, vulnerable to any call of extremism and intolerance. With all that potential, india in its current state is not a role model. It could have been very different but it isn't.

The ground realities of india are very different from what it projects to the outside world. Don't try fooling your immediate neighbors please.

 

[Jugger]

Pakistan will be secular, it’s just a matter of time. Many Muslims throughout the world are no longer religious, it’s just that they don’t come out of the closet. Slowly religion will have no power over the state, in such a situation the country automatically becomes secular.

India need not do anything but sit and relax as the change eventually reaches Pakistan.

One of the benefits of secular Pakistan is that there will no more militant jihadis trying to form caliphates in Pakistan or India.

 

[randomradio]

Awesome Post. @Oscar @hellfire @Joe Shearer @randomradio @anant_s
M.A Jinnah would be proud.

The force is strong in him.

Pakistan will be secular, it’s just a matter of time. Many Muslims throughout the world are no longer religious, it’s just that they don’t come out of the closet. Slowly religion will have no power over the state, in such a situation the country automatically becomes secular.

India need not do anything but sit and relax as the change eventually reaches Pakistan.

One of the benefits of secular Pakistan is that there will no more militant jihadis trying to form caliphates in Pakistan or India.

The force is strong in him too. Jk

In all seriousness, that's not going to happen in our lifetime.

 

[padamchen]

Pakistan will be secular, it’s just a matter of time. Many Muslims throughout the world are no longer religious, it’s just that they don’t come out of the closet. Slowly religion will have no power over the state, in such a situation the country automatically becomes secular.

India need not do anything but sit and relax as the change eventually reaches Pakistan.

One of the benefits of secular Pakistan is that there will no more militant jihadis trying to form caliphates in Pakistan or India.

Do note that the maximum number of these so-called nominal religionists, who belong to a faith only because they are born into it, but for all intents and purposes are actually agnostic in their daily life, come from Christianity and Islam.

It is my belief that this is what happens eventually when an idea is spread and seeded inorganically into alien soil.

Beyond the natural bloodlines.

I'm talking to just such an Iranian expat on another thread. Confused. Rudderless. Lashing out. Crying for his ancestral mooring. But clueless about how to come back.

Cheers, Doc

 

[randomradio]

Do note that the maximum number of these so-called nominal religionists, who belong to a faith only because they are born into it, but for all intents and purposes are actually agnostic in their daily life, come from Christianity and Islam.

It is my belief that this is what happens eventually when an idea is spread and seeded inorganically into alien soil.

Beyond the natural bloodlines.

I'm talking to just such an Iranian expat on another thread. Confused. Rudderless. Lashing out. Crying for his ancestral mooring. But clueless about how to come back.

Cheers, Doc

Pakistan's, or even India's, HDI is not high enough to allow people to think critically about religion as a whole. Agnostics, atheists etc, you will find them only among the more educated, who still remain in the minority.

 

[padamchen]

Pakistan's, or even India's, HDI is not good enough to allow people to think critically about religion as a whole. Agnostics, atheists etc, you will find them only among the more educated, who still remain in the minority.

You should look at the native populace of Iran before making sweeping generalized blanket statements wearing your own race lenses.

Cheers, Doc

@randomradio

You called me a dangerous fundamentalist on another thread. A bigot who was the true danger to the fabric of Indian society.

Since those were personal comments, I need you to explain why.

Or I shall be forced to report you for slander.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Bhartis are clueless when talking about how religion is fading in Pakistan.

 

[randomradio]

You should look at the native populace of Iran before making sweeping generalized blanket statements wearing your own race lenses.

Cheers, Doc

@randomradio

You called me a dangerous fundamentalist on another thread. A bigot who was the true danger to the fabric of Indian society.

Since those were personal comments, I need you to explain why.

Or I shall be forced to report you for slander.

Simple really. You decided to brand every single patriotic "Hindu" a fascist. And then proceeded to insult the Supreme Court of India.

You said: Hindutva remains now what it was during the nation burning in the 90s. And what it was conceived at in its seeding and genesis by sociopathic fathers. A fascist supremacist ideology that is wholly Abrahamic in tone and tenor and completely alien to this soil.

You also said: Legal definitions from the 90s mean nothing here in 2018.

Here's the real story: 2016
https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...amine-today/story-ZDU95tarD5kGnWzgfgJELL.html
Seven judges of the Supreme Court will start to re-examine on Tuesday the question – What is Hinduism: a way of life or a religion practised by some people in India?

What they ruled: 2016
https://www.livelaw.in/not-relooking-1995-hindutva-way-life-verdict-sc/
“We will not go into the larger debate as to what is Hindutva or what is its meaning. We will not re-consider the 1995 judgement and also not examine Hindutva or religion at this stage.At this stage, we will confine ourselves to the issue raised us in the reference. In the reference, there is no mention of the word ‘Hindutva’. If anybody will show that there is a reference to the word ‘Hindutva’, we will hear him. We will not go into Hindutva at this stage,” seven judge constitution bench headed by chief justice T S Thakur

Legal definition from the 90s still stays true. Why? Because the SC said so.

So what you have demonstrated here is extreme levels of bigotry towards Hindus everywhere arising from high levels of ignorance about the subject that only a bigoted mind could give birth to, as well as insulted the Supreme Court of India at the same time.

So go ahead and report me for slander. It's a great disservice to my nation if one doesn't stand up to views such as yours.

 

[Nilgiri]

Yeah, no. Sorry. Not happening.

Some things are a little hard to Handel for some folks amirite?

BTW friend, good to see you back.

 

[padamchen]

Simple really. You decided to brand every single patriotic "Hindu" a fascist. And then proceeded to insult the Supreme Court of India.

You said: Hindutva remains now what it was during the nation burning in the 90s. And what it was conceived at in its seeding and genesis by sociopathic fathers. A fascist supremacist ideology that is wholly Abrahamic in tone and tenor and completely alien to this soil.

You also said: Legal definitions from the 90s mean nothing here in 2018.

Here's the real story: 2016
https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...amine-today/story-ZDU95tarD5kGnWzgfgJELL.html
Seven judges of the Supreme Court will start to re-examine on Tuesday the question – What is Hinduism: a way of life or a religion practised by some people in India?

What they ruled: 2016
https://www.livelaw.in/not-relooking-1995-hindutva-way-life-verdict-sc/
“We will not go into the larger debate as to what is Hindutva or what is its meaning. We will not re-consider the 1995 judgement and also not examine Hindutva or religion at this stage.At this stage, we will confine ourselves to the issue raised us in the reference. In the reference, there is no mention of the word ‘Hindutva’. If anybody will show that there is a reference to the word ‘Hindutva’, we will hear him. We will not go into Hindutva at this stage,” seven judge constitution bench headed by chief justice T S Thakur

Legal definition from the 90s still stays true. Why? Because the SC said so.

So what you have demonstrated here is extreme levels of bigotry towards Hindus everywhere arising from high levels of ignorance about the subject that only a bigoted mind could give birth to, as well as insulted the Supreme Court of India at the same time.

So go ahead and report me for slander. It's a great disservice to my nation if one doesn't stand up to views such as yours.

I repeat what I said to you earlier.

Do not conflate Hindutva and Hinduism.

Hindutvawadis and Hindus.

In the mind of ALL non Sanghi Indians (you obviously not included), these are diametric opposites.

Culturally.

Philosophically.

Spiritually.

Racially.

Theologically.

Socially.

Patriotically.

The real bigot is you, who will try to impose an alien Abrahamic fascist world view on to his countryman, and hold the SC up as a shield.

It will not wash. You are the enemy. Not at the gates. But entrenched deep inside. Within and among us.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Imran Khan]

bupin or no bupin
pakistan should be secular state