Indian and Pakistani leaders pledge better ties

[RayKalm]

Indian and Pakistani leaders pledge better ties - YouTube

 

[Tangent]

....I don't believe ..either of them.....

 

[airmarshal]

Nothing will happen. India is a big country but has a cry baby attitude. It wont get Hafiz Saeed and will stagnate any progress between the two countries on just one man.

Just wonder how a country of billion plus people are so scared of one man - just one man.

India must come out of its righteousness and talk to Pakistan. When Pakistan asks to have meaningful dialogue on Kashmir, India runs away. It is stuck on Hafiz Saeed because beyond this issue, Pakistan will ask for dialogue to resolve Kashmir and India will never do it. India had been hiding behind the excuse of terrorism since 90s when it comes to Kashmir.

 

[IndoUS]

Well the whole world knows about Pakistan and its support of terrorism. India doesn't have to prove anything, the whole OB hiding in Pakistan proved it to the whole world.

As for being a cry baby, it not India that goes to the international community crying about the kashmir issue, which no one gives a crap about anymore.

 

[Bl[i]tZ]

Bullshit!

Post Zardari visit: Bonhomie over, back to reality - Hindustan Times

 

[Abingdonboy]

Not going to happen. Elements in Pakistan just will not allow this process to move on, the ISI and PA are anti-India and have too much control and will never allow this process to follow through.

 

[Hassan_Ishtiaq]

Not going to happen. Elements in Pakistan just will not allow this process to move on, the ISI and PA are anti-India and have too much control and will never allow this process to follow through.

bull crap! Why are you blaming Pakistan army and ISI for??? Is this a common mental issues with every indian, because i have noticed this weird obsession of ISI and Pakistan Army in the indian mentality, this mentality of immense hate and bigotry is what won't improve ties between our nations, because indians have this ISIphobia, they view every Pakistani as ISI agent.

Are you school text books printed like this?

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There's a ISI camel names Musharraf:

Indian Media gone crazy...India caught a spy camel sent by ISI. - YouTube


And there is a ISI pigeon:

Pak 'spy' pigeon caught on border, police suspect ISI hand - Express India



Next thing you know you indians are going to discover a ISI ant, a ISI butterfly, are you also going to clame ISI if you get constipated?

 

[Abingdonboy]

It is a fact the PA/ISI have an inordinate hand in civil affairs, on other threads Pakistanis admit to this. The fact is it has also been categorically proven the ISI has a hand in a whole alphabet of terror groups who continue to plot against India and Indian civilians, as long as this situation exists no talks will advance beyond initial stages.

 

[SMC]

Well the whole world knows about Pakistan and its support of terrorism. India doesn't have to prove anything, the whole OB hiding in Pakistan proved it to the whole world.

As for being a cry baby, it not India that goes to the international community crying about the kashmir issue, which no one gives a crap about anymore.

The whole world, where bharat is the only country.

It is a fact the PA/ISI have an inordinate hand in civil affairs, on other threads Pakistanis admit to this. The fact is it has also been categorically proven the ISI has a hand in a whole alphabet of terror groups who continue to plot against India and Indian civilians, as long as this situation exists no talks will advance beyond initial stages.

Ah the good ol' ISI conspiracy theories.

You say it has been categorically proven ISI does all that. Yet no solid proof has been shown. What are you smoking really? No one except bharati government buys this crap.

 

[Abingdonboy]

The whole world, where bharat is the only country.





Ah the good ol' ISI conspiracy theories.

You say it has been categorically proven ISI does all that. Yet no solid proof has been shown. What are you smoking really? No one except bharati government buys this crap.

No one except India and, um- THE REST OF THE WORLD:

The ISI and Terrorism: Behind the Accusations - Council on Foreign Relations
State-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Relationship between ISI, terror groups not surprising: Allen - Indian Express
http://zeenews.india.com/news/south...ionship-between-isi-terror-groups_765549.html
Guantánamo Bay files: Pakistan's ISI spy service listed as terrorist group | World news | guardian.co.uk
Pakistan's ISI Intelligence Agency Listed As Terror Organization By U.S. Authorities: Wikileaks
ISI
US knew of ISI terror designs and tie-ups with Tiger Memon: WikiLeaks - World - DNA
Pakistan and state terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BBC News - US cables likened ISI to Taliban, al-Qaeda: Wikileaks
BBC News - Mullen: Pakistan's ISI spy agency has 'militant links'
BBC News - Haqqanis: Growth of a militant network
Haqqani network is a
PressTV - 'US aware of ISI-Haqqani links'
Haqqani network and ISI working hand in glove - Rediff.com News




And tell me why does a terrorist with a $10 mill bounty live in open with no restrictions in Pakistan and the most wanted man on earth was found living in a mansion a few hundreds metres from the Officer training school of the PA?

 

[SMC]

No one except India and, um- THE REST OF THE WORLD:

The ISI and Terrorism: Behind the Accusations - Council on Foreign Relations
State-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Relationship between ISI, terror groups not surprising: Allen - Indian Express
http://zeenews.india.com/news/south...ionship-between-isi-terror-groups_765549.html
Guantánamo Bay files: Pakistan's ISI spy service listed as terrorist group | World news | guardian.co.uk
Pakistan's ISI Intelligence Agency Listed As Terror Organization By U.S. Authorities: Wikileaks
ISI
US knew of ISI terror designs and tie-ups with Tiger Memon: WikiLeaks - World - DNA
Pakistan and state terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BBC News - US cables likened ISI to Taliban, al-Qaeda: Wikileaks
BBC News - Mullen: Pakistan's ISI spy agency has 'militant links'
BBC News - Haqqanis: Growth of a militant network
Haqqani network is a
PressTV - 'US aware of ISI-Haqqani links'
Haqqani network and ISI working hand in glove - Rediff.com News

No, really - it's only just bharat. You could argue US as well. But nothing more. Is China part of your 'rest of the world'? What about east Asia, Middle East eastern europe, Africa, most of the western states, South America? I don't see any of those countries making any accusations.



Please take a geography book and find out how many countries are there in the world. Bharat and US is not the whole world.

You posted all these links without any substance. Can you tell me which of these links actually provide evidence? And I hope you know the difference between accusations and actual evidence. US or some journalist's words are not evidence.

And tell me why does a terrorist with a $10 mill bounty live in open with no restrictions in Pakistan

Because only bharat and US consider him a terrorist? Try getting him designated a terrorist through UN, then talk.

and the most wanted man on earth was found living in a mansion a few hundreds metres from the Officer training school of the PA?

Because no one knew he was living there? How many times does this have to be repeated? Does anyone besides bharatis and Americans believe such conspiracy theories? Even the American government does not believe your diatribe.

You bharatis have deluded yourself into believing a whole lot of things... whole world thinks this of ISI, thinks that of Pakistan, etc etc.. and on closer inspection, really it's just bharat and perhaps US. Such a small world of bharatis.

Btw, nothing like this should go forward unless Bharat stops supporting terrorist groups such as TTP and BLA. The good thing is that Zardari is rather powerless and about to cut and run.

 

[jbond197]

The deep rooted Zia's instilled hatred in Pakistanis heart, for evil Yindoo Baniyas and atrocity commiting Punduts, will not go away with the pledging of these so called leaders.. Aisay leader aatay jaatay hain parr yeh nafrat janmon janmon ki hai.. Aise kaise itni mehnat se janmi nafrat ko bhula ke better ties ki baatan karenge..

 

[Abingdonboy]

No, really - it's only just bharat. You could argue US as well. But nothing more. Is China part of your 'rest of the world'? What about east Asia, Middle East eastern europe, Africa, most of the western states, South America? I don't see any of those countries making any accusations.



Please take a geography book and find out how many countries are there in the world. Bharat and US is not the whole world.

You posted all these links without any substance. Can you tell me which of these links actually provide evidence? And I hope you know the difference between accusations and actual evidence. US or some journalist's words are not evidence.



Because only bharat and US consider him a terrorist? Try getting him designated a terrorist through UN, then talk.



Because no one knew he was living there? How many times does this have to be repeated? Does anyone besides bharatis and Americans believe such conspiracy theories? Even the American government does not believe your diatribe.

You bharatis have deluded yourself into believing a whole lot of things... whole world thinks this of ISI, thinks that of Pakistan, etc etc.. and on closer inspection, really it's just bharat and perhaps US. Such a small world of bharatis.

Btw, nothing like this should go forward unless Bharat stops supporting terrorist groups such as TTP and BLA. The good thing is that Zardari is rather powerless and about to cut and run.

China blames terror camps in Pakistan as 20 killed in for Xinjiang violence - Times Of India
Friend China points to Pakistan as terror source - Hindustan Times
Terror Looms Over Pakistan Ties | China Power
Chinese Militants Have Ties To Pakistan Terror Groups, Official Says | Fox News

Britons training in Pakistan for UK terror attacks - Telegraph
David Cameron defends comments about Pakistan and terrorism | Politics | guardian.co.uk
UK | Terrorism | Pakistan | Terror Training
BBC News - UK PM cautions Pakistan over 'terror exports'

France echoes US concerns on Pak terror policy - Times Of India
'French Muslims trained with the Taliban in Pakistan' | The Times of Israel
State-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
France fearful of dual nationals training in Pakistan - The Globe and Mail

 

[SMC]

Did you actually read my post and recall what you said?

You said there is solid evidence of ISI and Pakistan supporting terrorist groups.

You previously listed a whole bunch of links, and I asked which of these links contain the evidence you were talking about.

Now you post some new links.

Most of these links are not accusing the ISI or Pakistan government (the ones from China for instance).

And again, I ask -- in the links you just posted or posted before, which ones do I need to look to find the evidence against ISI or Pakistan government?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Most of the links do actually clearly state there are clear links between the ISI and terror groups. The others (say Chinese) are obviously a bit more diplomatic due to sensitivities of you guys. But either your security forces are completly and utterly incompetant with all these groups operating unhindered in Pakistan or their is a degree of protection offered by ISI (for whatever reason). I honestly can't believe you can deny the facts as they are. There is a reason the US didn't tell you before OBL raid went down. The fact he had money sewn into his clothing shows he was ready to run out the door as soon as he got the phonecall, and who would be making that phone call? It is ludicrous for you to expect the rest of the world to belive this man lived within sight of a MAJOR PA base and 40 odd miles out of ISLAMABAD without any knowledge of your securty establishment (IS). Or these guys are literally the most incompetent bunch of fools in history.You decide- collusion or incompetence, and get back to me. These, btw are the only two options if you think about it logically.