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Indian and Chinese soldiers stand off in Ladakh

China grabs India's land
The area along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China has 'shrunk' over a period of time and India has lost 'substantial' land in the last two decades, according to an official report.
At a recent meeting in Leh, attended by officials from the Jammu and Kashmir government, Union Ministry of Home Affairs and the Army, it was agreed that there was difference in the maps of various agencies and that there was lack of proper mapping of the area.

The meeting was chaired by Commissioner (Leh) A K Sahu and attended, among others, by the 14 Corps Brigadier General Staff Brig Sarat Chand and Colonel Inderjit Singh.
While the absence of proper maps was agreed upon, the meeting all the same felt: “However, it is clear and accepted that we are withdrawing from LAC and our area has shrunk over a period of time. This process is very slow but we have lost substantial amount of land in 20-25 years.”

According to the minutes of the meeting, it was also identified that “there is a lack of institutional memory in various agencies as well as clear policy on this issue which in the long run has resulted in loss of Indian territory in favour of China.”
The meeting was called to ensure proper protection to nomads who move with their cattle to the Dokbug area of Nyoma sector during the winter months every year. In December 2008, Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) had damaged their tents and threatened them to vacate the land.

“They (Chinese) have threatened the nomadic people, who had been using the Dokbug area (in Ladakh sector) area for grazing for decades, in a way to snatch our land in inches. A Chinese proverb is famous in the world — better do in inches than in yards,” a report filed by former sub divisional magistrate (Nyoma) Tsering Norboo had said.

Complaints
Norboo was deputed by the state government to probe the complaints of incursion of the Chinese Army in the Dokbug area and threats to the local shepherds to leave the land as it belonged to them.
The area has been used by the shepherds to graze their livestock as the area is warmer compared to other parts of Ladakh.

The SDM contended that it was another attempt by the Chinese to term, and claim, the territory disputed in the same fashion as they had taken Nag Tsang area opposite to Phuktse airfield in 1984, Nakung in 1991 and Lungma-Serding in 1992.
Last year, Chinese troops had entered nearly 1.5 km into the Indian territory on July 31 near Mount Gya, recognised as International border by India and China, and painted boulders and rocks with “China” in red spray paint.
The 22,420 feet Mount Gya, also known as “fair princess of snow” by the Army, is located at the tri-junction of Ladakh in Jammu and Kashmir, Spiti in Himachal Pradesh, and Tibet. Its boundary was marked during the British era and regarded as International border by the two countries.

Before this, Chinese helicopters had violated Indian air space on June 21 along the Line of Actual Control in Chumar region and also dropped some expired food.

China grabs India's land



China 'gobbles’ up 640 sq km of Indian land in Ladakh
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New Delhi: India may have lost nearly 640 square km of area on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh in the past few months due to the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) policy of preventing Indian troops from patrolling upto the Indian perception of the LAC.

This, in military parlance, is referred to as a strategy of 'area denial' which leads to de-facto takeover of land.

According to reports aired by TV channels on Thursday, a report submitted by the National Security Advisory Board (NSAB) to the Government has purportedly said the PLA has "incrementally" occupied nearly 640 square km of area on the LAC in Ladakh in the past few months. Patrolling limits set by incremental PLA area denial in the eastern Ladakh region of Jammu and Kashmir have now become the de facto LAC.

The report also says that there has effectively been a loss of 640 sq km of Indian territory across three sectors in Depsang, Chumar and Pangong Tso in the Ladakh region. The issue was also raised in the Lok Sabha on Thursday evening by BJP MP Yashwant Sinha who demanded a statement from the Government.

Defence Minister A.K. Antony may make a statement in Parliament on the issue on Friday. Army sources said they were not aware of any NSAB report but sought to dismiss any claims that territory had been lost to China. Indian troops are still patrolling upto the Indian perception of the LAC in Ladakh and other areas, the sources said.

The NSAB report says that Indian troops are no longer able to access at least four points on the patrol line, thereby leading to denying of an area earlier accessible to them, and that after PLA incursions in April and May, the Depsang Bulge area in Ladakh is no longer accessible to Indian forces.

The report also says that approximately 70 sq km of Indian territory is now effectively under the PLA's control at Pangong Tso. This may confirm India's worst fears that an aggressive China is now seeking to slowly push back India by stealth in a land-grab of epic proportions.

In April this year, the Chinese PLA had set up five tents in the Daulat Beg Oldi (DBO) area of north-eastern Ladakh in J&K and this had led to a nearly three week-long stand-off with Indian troops in the area who then also set up tents facing the Chinese tents. Both sides had told the other to move back.

The issue was finally settled amicably after the tents of both armies were dismantled.

India says that transgressions occur by the Chinese PLA since the perception of the two countries on the demarcation of the LAC is different and that both armies patrol upto their respective perception of the LAC. This leads often to border patrols of the two armies coming face-to-face with each other.

Defence Minister A.K. Antony had recently said that both countries were engaging in "practical and effective" negotiations on working out a mechanism to resolve border issues. The Minister had however acknowledged that one "can't expect miracles" on any immediate resolution of the border dispute with China.

China 'gobbles’ up 640 sq km of Indian land in Ladakh | Deccan Chronicle

@Irfan Baloch




 
very informative :tup:

1. But we should not let our guards down,we should raise a new STRIKE CORPS with minimum 50000 troops for invading Tibet just in case.

2.New tank regiment for north east of T 90MS

3.Artillery and AH 64.
not sure if the geography of the area supports such force and equipment.
 
not sure if the geography of the area supports such force and equipment.
Irfan sahab,with due respect to your military wisdom.we have certain geographical advantage over chinese along the LAC in Depsang and Chumar where chinese do not have direct access.


"Although the terrain is relatively flat on the Chinese occupied side it is not totally flat. While the average altitude remains around 5000 meters there are some mountains and rivers en route. Because of this the sinuous roads following river valleys from the highway to the LAC are between 120 and 170 km long. None of these roads appear to be all weather roads, with river crossings without bridges and “kutcha” surfaces over many lengths. Any Chinese military action in Aksai Chin will have Chinese logistics lines passing over these roads that are more than 120 km long and over 5 km high. In a conflict lasting more than a few weeks disruption of these long logistics lines would impair Chinese ability to conduct operations at the LAC. The terrain in Aksai Chin is flat and there is nowhere to hide so movement on the roads to the LAC should be visible to satellite reconnaissance for weeks in advance."

India to purchase T-90MS Tanks for deployment along Sino-Indian border - World News - SINA English
 
very informative :tup:

1. But we should not let our guards down,we should raise a new STRIKE CORPS with minimum 50000 troops for invading Tibet just in case.

2.New tank regiment for north east of T 90MS

3.Artillery and AH 64.
not sure if the geography of the area supports such force and equipment.
Irfan sahab,with due respect to your military wisdom.we have certain geographical advantage over chinese along the LAC in Depsang and Chumar where chinese do not have direct access.


"Although the terrain is relatively flat on the Chinese occupied side it is not totally flat. While the average altitude remains around 5000 meters there are some mountains and rivers en route. Because of this the sinuous roads following river valleys from the highway to the LAC are between 120 and 170 km long. None of these roads appear to be all weather roads, with river crossings without bridges and “kutcha” surfaces over many lengths. Any Chinese military action in Aksai Chin will have Chinese logistics lines passing over these roads that are more than 120 km long and over 5 km high. In a conflict lasting more than a few weeks disruption of these long logistics lines would impair Chinese ability to conduct operations at the LAC. The terrain in Aksai Chin is flat and there is nowhere to hide so movement on the roads to the LAC should be visible to satellite reconnaissance for weeks in advance."

India to purchase T-90MS Tanks for deployment along Sino-Indian border - World News - SINA English
thanks for details.. I am ignorant about the local topography and consider it to be mountainous region which doesn't favour large formations and heavy armor.
 
not sure if the geography of the area supports such force and equipment.

thanks for details.. I am ignorant about the local topography and consider it to be mountainous region which doesn't favour large formations and heavy armor.
Did you served in kashmir ?
 
India, China hold flag meet along LAC | Zee News

Last Updated: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 - 21:57
New Delhi: India and China on Tuesday held two simultaneous flag meetings along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Jammu and Kashmir`s Ladakh region to de-escalate the tension along the border.


According to sources, two flag meetings were held at Burtse and Chushul, between 3 p.m. and 5 p.m. on Tuesday and certain issues about patrolling were discussed.

"The meeting was cordial, both sides decided to maintain peace," sources said.

Tension erupted between Indian and Chinese troops near Burtse in northern Ladakh after the Chinese were reportedly building a watch tower close to the border patrolling line.

Indian troops objected to the construction, which was brushed off by the Chinese side, after which Indian soldiers called for additional reinforcements of troops.

India destroyed the watch tower, which is said to have a camera. The tension had, however, scaled down on Monday, with both sides withdrawing some of the troops.

A strategic road India plans to build to Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO) passes through Burtse.

Burste is close to Daulat Beg Oldie in the Depsang plain.

DBO is the area that had witnessed the 21-day-long stand-off between troops on both sides in 2013.

A historic camp site and current military base located on an ancient trade route connecting Ladakh to Uyghuristan, DBO has both Indian and China`s claim to it.

It also has a helipad and gravel air strip, critical for Indian armed forces.

In September 2014, troops of both sides were held in a stand-off in the Chumar sector, while Chinese President Xi Jinping was visiting India.

IANS
 
China have took advantage of India during 1962 war and during that time i think China was already having Nuclear weapons but it exploded Nukes in 1964. Cold war has helped many countries against India but still other nations have understood that India has learnt from the past and now India is a strong nation with full capacity and capabiliities to help other nations in all sectors.

Sure, whenever it is needed, India could be either a victim or a strong nation.
 
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Last Updated: Thursday, September 24, 2015 - 17:35
Don't take unilateral actions along Sino-India border: PLA to Indian Army | Zee News


Beijing: China's military on Thursday asked the Indian Army not to take any "unilateral actions" affecting the stability of the border areas, days after the Indian side removed a Chinese-built hut in the Ladakh sector.

"The recent actions by the Indian Army in the relevant area was not consistent with the relevant agreement and spirit of the consensus of the two sides," China's Defence Ministry spokesman Wu Qian said, commenting for the first time on the recent incident at Ladakh's Burtse area in which the Indian army removed the hut along with surveillance cameras.

"Jointly maintaining peace and tranquility of the India-China border is an important consensus reached between the leaderships of the two countries and also a solemn commitment and promise made by the two governments and militaries," Wu, who took over as new spokesman of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), said replying a question.

"We ask the Indian army to earnestly implement the important consensus reached by the two governments and refrain from taking any unilateral actions which will effect the situation in the border areas and work together with the Chinese military to jointly maintain peace and stability in China-India border areas," he said.

Asked whether any meetings have been held between the two militaries to discuss the incident, he said, "the China India-Border areas generally maintain peace and stability. The two sides are in contact and communication through diplomatic channels and border mechanisms."

Earlier on September 14, the Chinese Foreign Ministry downplayed incident saying that there is no "face-off" along the border and sought "clarification" from India on this issue.

"As far as I know there is no such face-off, in the border area," the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei had said.

"The Chinese border troops have been performing their duties on the Chinese side of the Line of Actual Control, (LAC)," he said reiterating the consistent position maintained by China in the previous incidents that the PLA troops have been carrying out activities on their side of the border.

China upset by reported hut demolition on India border | Zee News
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Beijing: China`s Defence Ministry expressed concern on Thursday about reports that Indian troops had demolished a Chinese-built structure along their contested border.

The Times of India said Indian troops had brought down a "watch tower like structure" they had spotted on their side of the line of control in the Ladakh region. Other media said it was a hut.

Disagreement between the neighbours over parts of their 3,500-km (2,175-mile) border led to a brief war in 1962 and involves large stretches of remote territory.

Chinese Defence Ministry spokesman Wu Qian, asked about the report, said leaders of both countries had agreed to maintain peace and tranquillity along the border.

"The moves by the Indian military in the relevant region do not accord with the relevant agreements reached by both sides or the spirit of the consensus," Wu told a regular monthly news briefing.

"We demand the Indian military conscientiously put into effect the consensus reached by both governments, not take any unilateral moves which could affect the border situation and maintain the peace and stability of the border with the Chinese military."


China claims more than 90,000 sq km (35,000 sq miles) of territory disputed by India in the eastern sector of the Himalayas. Much of that forms the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, which China calls South Tibet.


India says China occupies 38,000 square km (14,600 sq miles) of its territory on the Aksai Chin plateau in the wes
t.

However, the nuclear-armed countries have moved to control the dispute, even as repeated rounds of talks have failed to make much progress.

Wu said both militaries would hold joint anti-terror drills in the southwestern Chinese province of Yunnan next month.

Reuters
 

Good to see that finally strong defensive structures are being constructed along the LAC,like the one in this photograph.Paving road and rail networks,without these defensive strong points at place,would turn into a disaster if shit hits the fan.
 
Good to see that finally strong defensive structures are being constructed along the LAC,like the one in this photograph.Paving road and rail networks,without these defensive strong points at place,would turn into a disaster if shit hits the fan.

GoI is investing in security and raising Border protection Battalions.
 
Good step.

After Chinese incursion bids, ITBP to set up new command in Leh | Zee News


New Delhi: In the wake of frequent incursion bids by Chinese People's Liberation Army, Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) will be establishing a new command at Leh and the process of setting up over 40 modern border outposts in the icy heights of Ladakh has been initiated.

The ITBP, which mans the 4,086-km long Sino-Indian border from Ladakh to Arunachal Pradesh, has decided to establish a Sector command which will be headed by an Inspector General of Police rank, official sources said today.

ITBP, which is the first point of response to any incursion by the PLA, earlier had a Frontier headquarter headed by two Deputy Inspector Generals based at Leh and Srinagar. Both these officers reported to an Inspector General based at Chandigarh.

The Government has accepted the demand of the ITBP for creation of a Sector Command to facilitate taking decisions at crucial times without any loss of time, the sources said.

"The Inspector General's office has been shifted from Chandigarh to Ladakh where the Army Corps Commander sits. This has been done for better coordination between the two forces present to secure the China border areas," a senior official of the ITBP said.

The Army, which carved out a separate Corps after the Kargil intrusion in 1999, had been demanding operational control over the ITBP, which has been time and again rejected by the government.

In a related development, work has been initiated for setting up 40 Border Outposts in the icy heights of Ladakh to be manned by ITBP jawans who guard the border of the country in hostile weather at many places where the mercury slips to minus 40 degrees Celsius.

PTI
 
Updated: October 2, 2015 14:47 IST
Indian, Chinese troops hold meet on Arunachal border - The Hindu


The delegations parted amidst feelings of bonhomie and commitment towards enhancing the existing cordial relations and maintaining peace along the LAC

A ceremonial Border Personnel Meeting (BPM) between India and China was held near Bumla in Tawang district of Arunachal Pradesh on the occasion of Chinese National Day, weeks after a face-off between the two along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh.

The Indian delegation was led by Brigadier D S Kushwah, Commander of Tawang Brigade while Colonel Tang Fu Cheng, Commander of Tsona Dzong Garrison represented the Chinese delegation, a defence communique informed here on Friday.

The meeting was marked by unfurling the national flags of India and China, followed by ceremonial address by both the delegation leaders. Thereafter a function showcasing vibrant cultures took place, the statement said.

The proceedings reflected a mutual desire of maintaining and improving relations at the border.

Both delegations interacted with each other in a congenial and cordial environment.

The delegations parted amidst feelings of bonhomie and commitment towards enhancing the existing cordial relations and maintaining peace along the LAC.

Both sides also sought to build on the mutual feeling for upholding the treaties and agreements signed between the governments of the two sides to maintain peace and tranquillity along the LAC, the communique added.

A similar exchange of pleasantries between the two countries was yesterday held at the Chinese Border Personnel Meeting huts at Chushul and Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO) in eastern Ladakh to mark the 67 Anniversary of Chinese National Day.

The BPM, on the occasion of Chinese National Day on October 1, is conducted every year by Chinese troops with great enthusiasm, the communique said.
 
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