Indian Americans rally to block F-16s sale to Pakistan.

[Bingo!]

Indian Americans rally to block F-16s sale to Pakistan.

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hmmm.. its nice to see Indians rallying for their nation , no matter wherever they are.

 

[Peregrine]

We are not crying. We did chose the right ally.
Your ally is offering you 16 jets after a big hue and cry, but they are knocking our door & offering us 126 jets . OTOH Try to get some jets from our ally - and let us know what you got.

Hi
even though we don't have money as much as u do we still got RD-93 engines from your greedy ally. now dont go into details how we got them but we did

 

[Donatello]

Umm...what utter nonsense.

The guys says that sale of 18 f-16s will escalate arms race in India. Tch tch. How ill informed the guy is that 126 MMRCA won't escalate the arms race and the fact that USA needs Pakistan's help more than Pakistan needs F-16s. Remember we had options for 70+ aircraft (New and used) back in 2005, we can still do that, but we are never gonna opt for US equipment as our sole reliance. F-16s or not, doesn't matter much. The fact that most Indian Americans like these are ignorant and idiotic, that's priceless.

 

[karan.1970]

Sir for the French Avionics thread, most of the members actually agreed it wasn't India's pressure, but more to Financial constraint, so leave that thread out for a moment.

Honestly, the only game we as Pakistanis see, is that India is petty for very small issues. Afterall we Pakistanis, overlook the MMRCA deal, and Su-30MKI deal. But really, if they believe they can stop this, then they definitely are out of their mind, but if they want to try, go ahead, and just dent the country's own reputation on international stage for being petty.

Dont underestimate this form of pressure.. It may not succeed this time, but go back 15 years, and was it even possible to have a protest like that...?? Why do you think US is such an ally of Israel.. Its the jewish population in US that drives US to this.. Though not in the same league, its a start for India...

 

[P4Pakistan]

rauotloo sallay

 

[Icarus]

Your ally is offering you 16 jets after a big hue and cry

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What hue and cry, we buy they sell, deal completed..............get your facts right boy.................

but they are knocking our door & offering us 126 jets .

Actually they are selling them to you, no biggy...............You expect us to be jealous ?

OTOH Try to get some jets from our ally - and let us know what you got.

Not interested, we will just buy some from our all weather friend China !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even if we did try to get some, you will just start crying again and try to block the sales like you tried in the case of RD-93s(to no avail)..................

 

[Bingo!]

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What hue and cry, we buy they sell, deal completed..............get your facts right boy.................



Actually they are selling them to you, no biggy...............You expect us to be jealous ?



Not interested, we will just buy some from our all weather friend China !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even if we did try to get some, you will just start crying again and try to block the sales like you tried in the case of RD-93s(to no avail)..................

China bows to Indian pressure, starts giving proper visa to Kashmiri people

Stamp on passport bodes well for India-China talks

With the bang of a stamp into a passport, a visa issued by a Chinese consulate has made headline news across India as a good omen during the start of talks between the world’s two most populous countries.

The Asian giants will have plenty to discuss, including trade, currency exchange rates and regional arms deals, when Indian Foreign Minister S.M. Krishna spends four days in Beijing this week. One of the major items will be passport rules, something that could have been a footnote on the agenda if it weren't so highly symbolic. It's called the “stapled visa issue,” an infamous paperwork problem in countries already encumbered with layers of bureaucracy.

In recent years, China has refused to stamp passports from Indian-controlled Kashmir, a region on India’s northern border that is claimed by Beijing’s ally Pakistan. People from Kashmir who wanted to visit China received a separate visa page stapled into their passport. Those pages proved useless for direct travel from India to China, however, because Indian authorities would not allow people to leave the country without a stamped visa.

India wanted stamps, China wanted staples. Neither side backed down because of what the difference meant: New Delhi felt a stamped passport reflected the Indian citizenship of residents of Kashmir, while the Chinese were loath to do anything that might be taken as an acknowledgment of India's claim to the disputed territory.

It was a travel nightmare for Kashmiris such as Shakil Romshoo, an associate professor at the University of Kashmir, who was stopped at the Delhi airport in November while trying to fly to China to collect an academic prize for his research on Himalayan lakes. The stapled – not stamped – Chinese visa in his passport prevented him from picking up his medal, citation and cash award.

That experience made him skeptical when one of his colleagues, Professor Mufeed Ahmad, tried a similar trip on the weekend. To the surprise of the entire faculty, he said, the professor of management studies received a stamped – not stapled – visa at the Chinese consulate, and sent home a triumphant e-mail upon arrival.

“He is very excited, because he wasn't sure he'd make it to Beijing,” Dr. Romshoo said. “It's a sign of hope. I feel something will change.

This is good, because it's an issue between China and India, not about us.”

Even in the Indian capital, where the issue does not directly affect anyone, analysts said the problem cannot be dismissed as a minor part of this week's meetings. Media reports have described the stapled visas as a “core concern” for the Foreign Minister, who is making his first visit to China and leads the highest-level delegation to the country since his government took power last year. The fact that China issued a stamped visa to Dr. Ahmad was widely reported in the Indian media, which quoted Indian diplomats musing about whether it was a clerical error, or reflected a change in policy in Beijing.

Either way, the Indian delegation must push hard on the issue this week, said Alka Acharya, chair of the Chinese studies program at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi.

“This is difficult for China, because recognizing our passports may be seen as breaching its impartiality on the Kashmir issue,” she said. “But it's one of those things that make a big storm in this country. It cannot be left hanging in the air.”

The passport issue is among a number of items on Mr. Krishna’s agenda that relate to Pakistan. The delegation also hopes to dissuade China from assisting with construction projects in the part of Kashmir controlled by Pakistan, and plans to object to China selling fighter aircraft to India's rival. Such items could strain the conversation on other topics, such as obtaining China's support for a seat at the United Nations Security Council, but analysts say this fits the historical pattern of Sino-Indian relations.

“Pakistan has been in the middle of our relations with China since the 1960s,” Ms. Acharya said.
Stamp on passport bodes well for India-China talks - The Globe and Mail

 

[Peregrine]

Dont underestimate this form of pressure.. It may not succeed this time, but go back 15 years, and was it even possible to have a protest like that...?? Why do you think US is such an ally of Israel.. Its the jewish population in US that drives US to this.. Though not in the same league, its a start for India...

Hi
what makes u think that Pakistani americans wont take notice of this, not to mention the government

 

[Bingo!]

Hi
what makes u think that Pakistani americans wont take notice of this, not to mention the government

The same fact that nobody have noticed they have existed all these years.. ive never heard them rallying for a cause or maybe for the interest of their homeland anywhere in US.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

USA know that,if they do the same Sh1t again we r gona block their armed transportation through Pakistan.
secondly USA already on his knees in Afghanistan,he would never like to mess specially with us.

 

[sergente rehan]

If there is an option of winning a war without firing a shot by denying the enemy the weapons then that option has to be tried, what's wrong with it.

Any sensible country will do that. Wheather India is successful in that objective it has to be seen.

You are trying to say that crying is the best thing which indians can do?
Or you are trying to justify all the cheap shots by indians?

Last thing: The UN flags that you are using were intended that you were neutral? or just to make joke of other members?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Actually 18 F-16S with Pak flags are more @ss tearing then anything else.Also u never know these might be used to practise by shooting cows and other live animals to make it look like a real scnerio and tht might be offensive to cow worshipping hindu friends.
Also MRCA,SU30s,nuclear subs are a bunch of shyt coz they cant esscalate weapons race but our 18 jets sure can and also disturb the region.
Also i dont think the sales would be blocked and if god forbid they are we should just stop the supplies for the NATO going through our ports.......and make em feel the HEAT...Or Pakistanis in USA should do the same.
But id rather go for the blocking programe rather then anything else.

 

[karan.1970]

Hi
what makes u think that Pakistani americans wont take notice of this, not to mention the government

They should because such relationships established at grassroot levels are much more sustainable that diplomatic one off exhange of selfish interests..