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Indian AMCA proposal

bhai but private companies have a very diffrent way of working on such projects, they distribute all the project into diffrent timeline and people are very much dedicated....in case of HAL they take it easy almost 20 years....what say....
nothin bro HAL knows they can never go all alone in any future project and anything they learned from LCA project is just that and MOD has no issues with it as this will also have babus to earn that extra buck quite easily and will be benficial in long run for Indian forces
 
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@sancho

As requested

HAL-MiG AMCA. After experience with the LCA program and associated delays, HAL decides to play it safe and partners with RAC-MiG in the AMCA program. Instead of a full blown stealth aircraft, HAL and MiG decide on a stealthy airframe with semi-conformal carriage for stealth missions and full external carriage for more demanding missions. This forms a fairly good mix with the Sukhoi FGFA and has the added benefit of using the sukhoi's engines in the form of one AL-41FP.

The aircraft can carry a variety of weapons and as seen here is also capable of employing the Novator K-100 Anti HVAA missile.
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Martian2

You are speculating(deduction) on a speculation(publicly rumoured information) based on another speculation(what the original authors speculated). Its too early to make such claims. Almost reminds me of the Iphone/galaxy releases, where wild and crazy concepts and rumours are circulated. Its just too early so make such claims.

Furthermore, the engineers at HAL are so that silly as you make them appear to be with your straight line picture. Its just too early to discuss this.
 
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@sancho

As requested

HAL-MiG AMCA. After experience with the LCA program and associated delays, HAL decides to play it safe and partners with RAC-MiG in the AMCA program. Instead of a full blown stealth aircraft, HAL and MiG decide on a stealthy airframe with semi-conformal carriage for stealth missions and full external carriage for more demanding missions. This forms a fairly good mix with the Sukhoi FGFA and has the added benefit of using the sukhoi's engines in the form of one AL-41FP.

The aircraft can carry a variety of weapons and as seen here is also capable of employing the Novator K-100 Anti HVAA missile.
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What is the source??
 
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@sancho

As requested

Man that was fast, thanks! And a nice storyline, but I guess our neighbors already have taken the Mig design. ;)

But let me give you a storyline too:

HAL AMCA

With FGFA and Aura coming into IAF and the arrival of Chinas first aircraft carrier with more capable fighters, MoD understood that the real requirement for a new stealth fighter is in IN and that N-LCA is not enough for Indias naval security. Therefor they re-consider the N-LCA development and assigned ADA and HAL to develop a naval AMCA, based on the experience gained from the N-LCA Tech Demonstrator and the FGFA co-development.
As part of the Rafale procurement, MoD demands Dassault to provide design and navalising assistance, to make AMCA able to take off via catapults and ski-jumps, similar to Rafale.

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New developments
  • stealth design (based on FGFA experience and with assistance of Dassault)

  • navalised airframe and gears for catapult take off (assistance of Dassault)

  • folding wings (assistance of Dassault or Sukhoi)

  • IRST and / or integrated LDP (possible co-development with Thales FSO- and PDL-NG)

  • indigenous AESA radar (common part with Mig 29K upgrade)

  • NG AAMs for internal weapon bays (ideally based on Maitri SAM development, or co-developed with Sagem as MICA NG)

  • indigenous A2G weapons (Sudarshan LGB / -ER, ARM, Helina, Brahmos mini)
 
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There are three things you should know about the Indian AMCA (Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft) proposal.

1. The project has been halted (see citation below).

2. From the pictures that I've seen, the AMCA airduct looks straight and lacks a S-duct design. Basically, it's not stealthy.

3. The Indian AMCA is a very short aircraft design. If the project is ever restarted and the plane built in the distant future, I don't think there's room for a S-duct.

The Chengdu J-20 is 20.3m in length. The F-22 is 18.9m in length. A 19m or 20m long airplane permits a gradual curve in the S-duct to allow air to flow smoothly during supercruise.

The proposed Indian AMCA is only 13.2m in length. There is not enough length to accommodate an aerodynamic serpentine duct.

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Right now, AMCA is vaporware

Tejas grounds Medium Combat Aircraft project | The Sunday Standard

"Tejas grounds Medium Combat Aircraft project
By NC Bipindra - NEW DELHI
Published: 21st Apr 2013 10:16:44 AM

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Troubles in India’s ambitious Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) project has inflicted gaping wounds where it would hurt the Indian Air Force (IAF) the most—the future plans for an Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) has “put on hold” the AMCA project that is being spearheaded by Defence Research and Development Organisation’s (DRDO) Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA).

The reason for the sudden decision to send the AMCA project—which began in right earnest in 2006 as the Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA) development in 2006—to cold storage is to help ADA to focus all its energies to first work on completing the much-delayed LCA project. “The AMCA has been put on hold for the moment. This decision was taken recently to let the ADA focus on the LCA project,” top Defence Ministry sources told The Sunday Standard. The AMCA project, for which the IAF provided the final Air Staff Qualitative Requirements (ASQR) in April 2010, may be taken up at a later date, sources said. But that will still be far away in the future.

India will buy Rafale planes from the French Dassault Aviation as part of its 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA); in the tender there is a provision to buy another 63 as a follow-on order. That apart, India is working on the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) in collaboration with Russia. With the final agreement on the design and development of the FGFA three months away, India will get at least 140 FGFAs for induction by 2027. Considering that most of the capabilities of AMCA will be covered by the MMRCA and FGFA planes, the revival of the AMCA will be a well thought-out one, sources said.

The AMCA’s envisaged features include stealth, multi-role operations, adequate precision strike capabilities, including critical first-day missions such as Suppression of Enemy Air Defence (SEAD) and Destruction of Enemy Air Defence (DEAD).

The much-touted Tejas has taken 30 years already, at an escalated project cost of Rs 5,489 crore. Since the LCA project was sanctioned in 1983 at a cost of Rs 560 crore, the time overrun has resulted in a 10-fold increase in the project cost. The plane is yet to get even its Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) so that the IAF could take the plane for a spin. But sources pointed out that the LCA still lacks certain critical capabilities, including a reliable radar, and is deficient in at least 100 technical parameters. “The plane cannot fly on its own. It needs a lifeline in the form of support and monitoring of its systems from the ground by technicians,” they said.

The LCA, in fact, gave creditable flying displays during the AeroIndia show in Yelahanka in Bangalore in February this year, and followed it up with weapons firing to hit both ground and aerial targets during the Iron Fist fire power display by the IAF in the Rajasthan’s Pokhran ranges, again in February this year. “The common man thinks the plane is doing fine, its engine sounds great and the manoeuvres are perfect. But those flying and weapons firing displays are done with ground monitoring and support. The plane is still not ready to flying on its own,” sources stressed. Their guess is the LCA may not meet its schedule of obtaining the IOC before July this year and it could take till December this year or early next year before it is ready. To give an example of LCA’s troubles, the sources noted that LCA was grounded for three months between September and December 2012 following problems with its landing gear. “Normally, a combat plane is ready for its next sortie following a 30-minute attention from ground service personnel soon after it has returned from a mission. In the case of LCA, after a single sortie of about an hour or so, it needs three days of servicing before it can go for its next sortie,” they said.

At present, the IAF has placed an order for 40 LCAs Mk1 to raise two squadrons by 2016-17 with HAL which is the nodal agency for production of Tejas. But these will be delivered with the American General Electric F404 engines which provide only 80 Kilo Newton power.

Later, 80 more LCAs of its Mk2 version will be ordered for raising four more squadrons. The LCA Mk2 will be powered by the GE F414 engines that provide a 90 Kilo Newton thrust."

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Indian AMCA lacks S-duct stealth design

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Indian AMCA lacks S-duct stealth design. Red arrows show straight airflow.

With the lack of a S-duct design, radar will reflect off of the engine fan blades and the current AMCA will look like a fourth-generation fighter to radar.

Real AMCA doesn't have room for S-duct

In the following diagram for the AMCA, it is clear there is very little room for the airduct and the weapon bay.

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AMCA has straight airducts.

In any case, if the AMCA is ever built, I will use real photographs to prove that it has straight airducts.

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In this unrealistic Indian cartoon illustration, I can still draw a straight line for a direct radar reflection.

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Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft
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Length: 13.20 m (43 ft 4 in)"



13.2 M is a BS figure. It is the length of LCA MK1 and MK2 will be at least 14 m. AMCA should atleast be 17 to 18 m.

Your all theory is BS if you can't prove AMCA has 13.2m lenth.


Correct. AMCA is a 25 ton catagory aircrfat. How can 13.2 m lomg plane may have such a high weight? 13.2 M is totalty a BS figure.

 
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India's Indigenous 5th-Gen Combat Plane to Boast Of Condition Monitoring Systems
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India is developing a new fifth general fighter aircraft and it will have the latest integrated condition monitoring systems covering important systems such as avionics, structural health, air conditioning, and pressure regulation.

This was revealed by Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) chief Dr VK Saraswat at a two-day national conference on 'Condition Monitoring of Engineering Systems and Structures' organised jointly by the Research and Development Establishment (Engineers) of the DRDO and Condition Monitoring Society of India at Pune.

Inaugurating the conference, Saraswat said technologies drive doctrines and with advancing technologies, maintenance strategies have changed over the years from ‘break-down’ to ‘preventive’ to ‘predictive’ to ‘proactive’ and systems have evolved to ‘self-diagnosis’ and ‘self-healing’, by integrating nano, micro and bio-technologies.

He said that the development of sensors, signal processing techniques, decision support systems and software are the main challenges in condition-monitoring and structural-health-monitoring.

Saraswat also released the conference souvenir and proceedings.

India is developing its own fifth generation combat jet in the form of the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) that was formerly conceived as the Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA). The AMCA will be a single-seater, twin-engine stealth multirole fighter.

The AMCA is likely to complement the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) and the Indo-Russian joint venture fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), also known as the PAK FA, the Sukhoi Su-30MKI and the Dassault Rafale, which will be the chosen plane under the MMRCA or the medium multi-role combat aircraft tender for 126 planes for the Indian Air Force (IAF).

AMCA will be powered by the GTX Kaveri engine that will provide it thrust vectoring and possible supercruise capabilities. With the DRDO tying up with French Snecma for the engine's development, Kaveri is expected to provide 90 KiloNewton to 95 kiloNewton of power.

The IAF had issued the Air Staff requirements (ASR) for the AMCA in April 2010, placing the plane in the 25-ton category.

Apart from an air force version of the AMCA, it is also envisaged to develop a carrier-borne version for use on Indian Navy's indigenous aircraft carriers of the future.

The design and development of AMCA is now in progress and it is likely to go for first flight in about three years or so, sometime in 2015, and later be available for induction into the air force in another three years from then, by the end of 2018.

The AMCA will be designed with a very small radar cross-section and is expected to feature serpentine shaped air-intakes, internal weapons and the use of composites and other materials. The AMCA project is estimated to cost about $2 billion for the DRDO.
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Man that was fast, thanks! And a nice storyline, but I guess our neighbors already have taken the Mig design. ;)

But let me give you a storyline too:

HAL AMCA

With FGFA and Aura coming into IAF and the arrival of Chinas first aircraft carrier with more capable fighters, MoD understood that the real requirement for a new stealth fighter is in IN and that N-LCA is not enough for Indias naval security. Therefor they re-consider the N-LCA development and assigned ADA and HAL to develop a naval AMCA, based on the experience gained from the N-LCA Tech Demonstrator and the FGFA co-development.
As part of the Rafale procurement, MoD demands Dassault to provide design and navalising assistance, to make AMCA able to take off via catapults and ski-jumps, similar to Rafale.

4msecd8w.jpg


e7e845pn.jpg


vtlv39jj.jpg





New developments
  • stealth design (based on FGFA experience and with assistance of Dassault)

  • navalised airframe and gears for catapult take off (assistance of Dassault)

  • folding wings (assistance of Dassault or Sukhoi)

  • IRST and / or integrated LDP (possible co-development with Thales FSO- and PDL-NG)

  • indigenous AESA radar (common part with Mig 29K upgrade)

  • NG AAMs for internal weapon bays (ideally based on Maitri SAM development, or co-developed with Sagem as MICA NG)

  • indigenous A2G weapons (Sudarshan LGB / -ER, ARM, Helina, Brahmos mini)

Excellent work Sancho, everything is fine except from the Tailless delta design...
 
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