What's new

Indian Air Force šŸ‡®šŸ‡³ Will Soon Be Acquiring The Tupolev TU-160 "Blackjack" bomber From Russia

INDIAPOSITIVE

ELITE MEMBER
Joined
Sep 20, 2014
Messages
9,318
Reaction score
-28
Country
India
Location
India

[Tu-160 White Swan in a refuelling exercise]
The Indian Air Force seems to be getting over the strategic hump, perhaps with a little push from the PMO, and will soon acquire the advanced and upgraded version of the Tu-160 Blackjack called the ā€˜White Swanā€™. This transaction, after the S-400 and help in hypersonic weapons technology, confirms Russiaā€™s status as the sole supplier to India of prime military technologies (even if for a hefty price!).

This was disclosed in a throwaway line about a ā€œbomberā€ being acquired by IAF, which was preceded by a generous acknowledgement ā€” ā€œMr Bharat Karnad will be happy to knowā€, by the former CAS, Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha. He was delivering the keynote speech yesterday at the first edition of the ā€˜Chanakya Dialoguesā€™ hosted by the Chanakya Foundation in New Delhi. On further questioning by me, he confirmed that the aircraft in question was the Tu-160.

By way of another casual remark, he also indicated that a nuclear-warheaded version of a hypersonic glide weapon may soon be on the way. No doubt it is an armament that will be carried in the White Swanā€™s weapons bay.

It will reverse the obdurately tactical and theatre-level orientation of the IAF brass for 70-odd years. It resulted in August 1971 in the IAF rejecting the Tu-22 Backfire bomber offered the Air Marshal Sheodev Singh Mission by the Soviet Defence Minister, the legendary Admiral of the Fleet, Sergei Gorshkov. Moscow had not reckoned with the obstinately nonstrategic mindset of Air Chief Marshal PC Lal ā€” regarded, incidentally, as a great leader by the IAF!ā€“ and his cohort running the service at the time. Indeed, Gorshkov was so certain the IAF would jump at this offer he had a squadron of this bomber aircraft painted with IAF roundels and parked on a military base outside Moscow for flight to India. Nonsensical reasons were offered for this plainly idiotic nyet decision by IAF ā€” the pilot needed to be winched up into the cockpit, the aircraft, ex-Bareilly, would not reach cruising altitude before crossing into Pakistan, etc. Pakistan! ā€” for Godā€™s sake, with no hint of China as the obvious threat to neutralise with this bomber and this, mind you, at a time when the Bangladesh War was in the offing and China had already threatened to intervene if India moved militarily against Pakistan! So what did IAF choose instead? MiG-23BN ā€” no joke!! Worse, the IAF, dog-in-the-manger like, not only did not want the Backfire for itself, it later prevented the Indian Navy from buying this aircraft for maritime surveillance, fearing the Navy was trespassing on its turf by expropriating the strategic bombing role. (These and other details first revealed and analysed in my 2002, 2nd ed 2005 book ā€“ ā€˜Nuclear Weapons and Indian Security.ā€™)

Post-1974 and Indiaā€™s possessing very basic 12 kiloton gravity nuclear bombs, the Tu-22 would have been a credible recallable manned option as nuclear deterrent before India obtained in the late 1980s the the first of the Agni land-based missiles. The Tu-22 could have been replaced with newer versions of the aircraft, including the latest, most advanced, Tu-22M3, and would now have comprised a more compelling two-pronged air vector in the nuclear triad along with the Tu-160.

It is always heartening when something one has ardently advocated over the years begins to take shape, becomes reality. [For the case made for a genuine strategic bomber, and this aircraft in particular, see pages 335-336 in my 2015 book ā€“ā€˜ Why India is Not a Great Power (Yet)ā€™.] The negotiations with Russia are apparently in the final stages for securing on lease six ā€“ a third of a squadron ā€” better than nothing! of the supersonic, fly-by-wire, 4-man crewed Tu-160. It will leave the frontline Russian fleet with 29 of these aircraft, because only a total of 35 ā€˜White Swansā€™ have been built. Published material suggests the White Swan Tu-160 (the equivalent of the American B-1 strategic bomber) has a 70metres/second climb rate, max speed of 2,200 km/h and cruising speed of 960km/h, unrefueled range of 12,300km, and combat radius of 7,300km.

One version of the bomber runs on hydrogen fuel, which may be right up Prime Minister Narendra Modiā€™s plan for converting the country to a hydrogen economy. Though for reasons of fuel/fueling aspects, the aircraft India leases will likely stick with the variant run on enhanced aviation fuel.

To show off its astonishing endurance, the Russian Air Force staged a Murmansk to Venezuela sortie in 2008 (to show support for the regime of Left-leaning President NicolƔs Maduro Moros at a time when the Obama Administration was tightening the sanctions screw on it), and in 2010 a 23 hour patrol covering 18,000 kms over the Russian landmass.

The options and possibilities this bomber offers should make the mouths of IAF warplanning and operations guys water. Preparatory planning should begin for nuclear targeting by the White Swans of the most distant Chinese targets ā€” Beijing!, with the more critical, but relatively proximal, targets, such as the Three Gorges Dam and its system of downstream dams and the Lop Nor nuclear weapons complex in Xinjiang left, if necessary, for the Su-30MKIs embarking from Tezpur/Kalaikunda in the one case, and the Ainee base in Tajikistan, in the other, to take out.

The problem IAF will have is in basing the Blackjack. The Bareilly base ā€” which ran the Canberra medium bomber and the MiG-25 Foxbat high-altitude surveillance aircraft, wonā€™t do. Bareilly is too near major and satellite PLAAF airfields on the Tibetan plateau in the central sector of the LAC, not to pose risks to the White Swans based there. A base in southern central India will be the safest and best option considering the ā€œlong-leggedā€ Tu-160 will still be able to hit deep inside China, and have IAF air defence/interceptor aircraft staging out of air bases in northern India as protective tier.

 
. .
How would this work in the Indo Pak scenario, when both sides posses long range SAMs and are also right next to each other?

Or even the sino indo scenario?
 
.
How would this work in the Indo Pak scenario, when both sides posses long range SAMs and are also right next to each other?

Or even the sino indo scenario?
China's border is a vast no man's land in Tibet. Even if India buys Tu-160, it poses no threat to China.

The biggest threat to China of Tu-160 is that it is a very good nuclear weapon delivery platform when the Chinese Army assists Pakistan.

In fact, for the time being, there is no evidence to prove that India has the technology of miniaturization of nuclear weapons, so India may not have the ability to use missiles to deliver nuclear weapons. The Tu-160 may be India's most powerful nuclear weapon delivery platform.
 
.
How would this work in the Indo Pak scenario, when both sides posses long range SAMs and are also right next to each other?

Or even the sino indo scenario?
They can be used to launch cruise missiles from safe distances. I can see India using them in anti-ship missions.
 
.
I doubt this.... We somehow got the caatsa waiver after S400 but this time again would it be possible? I don't know....
 
. . .
China also posses S 400 this will provocate a direct nuclear war India is playing with fire
 
.
So According to this guy the IAF wants an aircraft whose serial production ceased at barely 20 and spares are lacking?

For what exactly?
China?
So India has no better options in its well equipped tactical fleet to deliver long range cruise missiles (which it is supposedly manufacturing and capable of mounting on the MKi)?

All because of the saga of the Backfire?

At the end, they will only ever use their weapons against weaker countries like Pakistan - India is NEVER crossing an aggression red line against China .
 
.
This seems like round 2. In early 80s, it was all the rage that India was getting Mig-23s and possibly Mig-25s and even Tu-22 Blinders. Not sure if they got the latter but Mig-23s were a dud. And in Iraq-Iran war where the Mig-25 was used, it was shot down.

Russia is in a different place now: its industrially cut off from all future microprocessor technology. And any weapon system today is upgraded over its lifecycle with sensors/electronics. All Russia will be able to raid is toasters and microwaves in the future. S400 and BlackJack's long term viability is in question as adversary will be upgrade its electronics/sensors/offensive/defensive suites. Russian equipment will be frozen in time.
 
. .
I think it is possible with closer ties between two countries, even Indonesia in 1960's under Soekarno regime can get Russian most advance bomber at that time

1659926546048.png


We have around 26 Tupolev Tu16 bombers in 1960's

 
.
So According to this guy the IAF wants an aircraft whose serial production ceased at barely 20 and spares are lacking?

For what exactly?
China?
So India has no better options in its well equipped tactical fleet to deliver long range cruise missiles (which it is supposedly manufacturing and capable of mounting on the MKi)?

All because of the saga of the Backfire?

At the end, they will only ever use their weapons against weaker countries like Pakistan - India is NEVER crossing an aggression red line against China .
You do realise that russia has restarted production of new airframes as well as upgrading the original soviet built examples.
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/russia-flies-newbuild-tu-160m-bomber
Altho at face value it may seem somewhat unlikely for the indians to be acquiring something at the level of a tu-160,I for one certainly wouldnt rule it out completely.
Indeed in this brave new multipolar world that we`ve now entered,I suspect that the russians are going to be much more willing to sell whatever they can to whomever wants it.......and that just may include strategic bombers.
 
.
I request members not to start threads with such titles, unless there is an official source to back it up.
 
.
Back
Top Bottom