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By: Vivek Raghuvanshi   4 hours ago

By: Vivek Raghuvanshi   4 hours ago
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A T-50 prototype for the Su-57 flies at the MAKS 2011 air show. (Alex Beltyukov via WIkipedia Commons)

NEW DELHI – The ambitious $10 billion Indo-Russian program for joint development and production of fifth generation fighter aircraft, or FGFA, faces a new serious hurdle, as the Indian Air Force demands a discontinuation of the project.

Senior IAF leadership recently expressed apprehension to the Ministry of Defence, claiming the proposed FGFA program with Russia does not meet desired requirements like U.S. F-35 fighter type capabilities, disclosed a senior IAF official. That official added, that “IAF is not keen to continue with the program.”

The proposed FGFA program does not meet desired stealth and cross section features compared to a F-35 fighter, the official explained, thus major structural changes are needed that cannot be met in the existing Russian prototypes.

FGFA also does not have modular engine concept, making maintenance and serviceability of the fleet expensive and troublesome. A second service official said the modular engine concept is required for the fleet serviceability and availability of FGFA aircrafts at short notice, since it can be done by the user itself.

Russians have offered non-modular engines for FGFA and its maintenance and other relations can only be handled by the manufacturer.

Russian Embassy diplomats here were unavailable for comments.

Vaijinder K Thakur, retired IAF squadron leader and defense analyst disagreement with the Air Force assessment of capability, saying that the current Russian FGFA prototype, known as Su-57, features the AL-41F1 engine. But the production variant of FGFA would be fitted with the Product 30 engine which is 30 percent lighter, features improved thrust, and has better fuel efficiency and fewer moving parts. That results in improved reliability and 30 percent lower life-cycle cost, Thakur said.

Without having operated U.S. fighters, the IAF is hardly in a position to pronounce judgment on the comparative long-term operating costs of Russian and U.S. fighters, Thakur added.

India has nominated state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd as production agency for FGFA program.

Earlier India had planned a firm order of 108 fighters and release of $5 billion in stages over the course of development and production.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...rce-wants-out-of-fighter-program-with-russia/
 
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100% THE WAY TO GO

Order Next batch of Rafales x 36 or 54 planes

GET Lockheed Martin on board to HELP DESIGN AND BUILD THE AMCA ie the next generation Tejas

YES it means no 5th gen bird until 2030 .. BUT we concentrate on both Tejas MK1 & 2 and get in more RAFALES
 
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100% THE WAY TO GO

Order Next batch of Rafales x 36 or 54 planes

GET Lockheed Martin on board to HELP DESIGN AND BUILD THE AMCA ie the next generation Tejas

YES it means no 5th gen bird until 2030 .. BUT we concentrate on both Tejas MK1 & 2 and get in more RAFALES

Lol.
Saudi has higher defense budget than india.

Why do you think india only ordered 36 rafales thus far?

Not forgetting most of the air force's modernisation efforts already wrongly channeled into tejas.

Problem with tejas is low range and its not strike fighter.

tejas is like a trainer aircraft.

Either india sells away the old aircrafts, if not india will probably have the same quantity of rafales for some time
 
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Lol.
Saudi has higher defense budget than india.

Why do you think india only ordered 36 rafales thus far?

Not forgetting most of the air force's modernisation efforts already wrongly channeled into tejas.

Problem with tejas is low range and its not strike fighter.

tejas is like a trainer aircraft


YOUR WRONG AGAIN

You forgot that nearly half the combat fleet is actually these beasts here

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Once india acquires US A/Cs, it will realise how nice and fair Russian policies were.


RUSSIANS are struggling to fund the FGFA and other future military projects.

India was their main cash cow and indian money helped a lot with further funding of new weapons development

Israel USA and France have taken over india market

Russia will keep declining in military technology
 
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you always get attracted towards others wives and food plates! IAF is the perfect example of it, the worst performing and least self-motivated force under Indian defense bodies! I think they forget, they do not belong to USAF but IAF...there is huge difference between what US can afford and what India can...IAF need a lesson about its reality!
 
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By: Vivek Raghuvanshi   4 hours ago

By: Vivek Raghuvanshi   4 hours ago
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NMRCVWICR5DKDBUZCOC6AIQVXE.jpg

A T-50 prototype for the Su-57 flies at the MAKS 2011 air show. (Alex Beltyukov via WIkipedia Commons)

NEW DELHI – The ambitious $10 billion Indo-Russian program for joint development and production of fifth generation fighter aircraft, or FGFA, faces a new serious hurdle, as the Indian Air Force demands a discontinuation of the project.

Senior IAF leadership recently expressed apprehension to the Ministry of Defence, claiming the proposed FGFA program with Russia does not meet desired requirements like U.S. F-35 fighter type capabilities, disclosed a senior IAF official. That official added, that “IAF is not keen to continue with the program.”

The proposed FGFA program does not meet desired stealth and cross section features compared to a F-35 fighter, the official explained, thus major structural changes are needed that cannot be met in the existing Russian prototypes.

FGFA also does not have modular engine concept, making maintenance and serviceability of the fleet expensive and troublesome. A second service official said the modular engine concept is required for the fleet serviceability and availability of FGFA aircrafts at short notice, since it can be done by the user itself.

Russians have offered non-modular engines for FGFA and its maintenance and other relations can only be handled by the manufacturer.

Russian Embassy diplomats here were unavailable for comments.

Vaijinder K Thakur, retired IAF squadron leader and defense analyst disagreement with the Air Force assessment of capability, saying that the current Russian FGFA prototype, known as Su-57, features the AL-41F1 engine. But the production variant of FGFA would be fitted with the Product 30 engine which is 30 percent lighter, features improved thrust, and has better fuel efficiency and fewer moving parts. That results in improved reliability and 30 percent lower life-cycle cost, Thakur said.

Without having operated U.S. fighters, the IAF is hardly in a position to pronounce judgment on the comparative long-term operating costs of Russian and U.S. fighters, Thakur added.

India has nominated state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd as production agency for FGFA program.

Earlier India had planned a firm order of 108 fighters and release of $5 billion in stages over the course of development and production.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...rce-wants-out-of-fighter-program-with-russia/

This will prove to be the last nail in the coffin for india russia relations. Pakistan must maneuver very smartly to complete our strategic nexus; god given opportunity.
 
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it seems slowly but surely india is getting in mess with defence technology.

Iaf top brass and def ministry is corrupted.

they act like a begger who wants ferrari. just today i was reading how india have more starvation than north korea.

still we want expensive stuff without realising numbers we need and budget.
 
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For once Pakis are right about procurement. F 35 is cash cow. FGFA is the way forward but only with Item 30 engine.
 
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Indian Air Force wants out of fighter program with Russia
By: Vivek Raghuvanshi  8 hours ago
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NMRCVWICR5DKDBUZCOC6AIQVXE.jpg

A T-50 prototype for the Su-57 flies at the MAKS 2011 air show. (Alex Beltyukov via WIkipedia Commons)

NEW DELHI – The ambitious $10 billion Indo-Russian program for joint development and production of fifth generation fighter aircraft, or FGFA, faces a new serious hurdle, as the Indian Air Force demands a discontinuation of the project.

Senior IAF leadership recently expressed apprehension to the Ministry of Defence, claiming the proposed FGFA program with Russia does not meet desired requirements like U.S. F-35 fighter type capabilities, disclosed a senior IAF official. That official added, that “IAF is not keen to continue with the program.”

The proposed FGFA program does not meet desired stealth and cross section features compared to a F-35 fighter, the official explained, thus major structural changes are needed that cannot be met in the existing Russian prototypes.



FGFA also does not have modular engine concept, making maintenance and serviceability of the fleet expensive and troublesome. A second service official said the modular engine concept is required for the fleet serviceability and availability of FGFA aircrafts at short notice, since it can be done by the user itself.

Russians have offered non-modular engines for FGFA and its maintenance and other relations can only be handled by the manufacturer.

Russian Embassy diplomats here were unavailable for comments.

Vaijinder K Thakur, retired IAF squadron leader and defense analyst disagreement with the Air Force assessment of capability, saying that the current Russian FGFA prototype, known as Su-57, features the AL-41F1 engine. But the production variant of FGFA would be fitted with the Product 30 engine which is 30 percent lighter, features improved thrust, and has better fuel efficiency and fewer moving parts. That results in improved reliability and 30 percent lower life-cycle cost, Thakur said.

Without having operated U.S. fighters, the IAF is hardly in a position to pronounce judgment on the comparative long-term operating costs of Russian and U.S. fighters, Thakur added.


https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...rce-wants-out-of-fighter-program-with-russia/
 
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