Indian Air Force sends Rs 113 crore bill to Kerala for flood operations, CM seeks exemption

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

And, the PAF gave away their own funds to buy new jets to the earth quake victims....

 

[undercover JIX]

It's a proper procedure. That's way accounts of each and every department get properly maintained.

And it is only a paper work. In reality, government money remains with government.

State government either asks for exemption or asks for additional funds from Central government to meet expenditure.

You put it in a different way, which makes it sound different and more acceptable.

What I wrote for other Indian member above please check that. thanks.

And, the PAF gave away their own funds to buy new jets to the earth quake victims....

When Indian Military is going to compensate the states and citizens for their property and lives lost due to their failure to protect them.

 

[Chhatrapati]

You just need to read again what you wrote, you are not making any sense. Army and Army men do not charge for saving citizens and helping the country when need arises.

Did army charge citizens? Where? Your logic is flawed from the begining, army men are paid additionally if they are taking up special mission. You are arguing over a non sense and the worst part is you know it is nonsense.

IA and Air Force need to pay states and citizens when their incompetence causes loss to states and citizens, or Indian Military running a profit making business.

This Primary responsibility and role of any Military to help and safeguard its country and citizen.

So, did your army pay people of Pakistan when any TTP suicide blast occurs? That's strange.
Our military don't run any business that serves public, never. Military is run by government with tax payers money.

For any loss of life due to any calamities the government pays the compensation to the public not military. Military is there just to do their job as directed by the government.

 

[undercover JIX]

Our military don't run any business that serves public, never. Military is run by government with tax payers money.

Just read that and you might understand your nonsense logic.

as far as your rest of the post is concern, not making sense. just a troll post.

 

[Chhatrapati]

And, the PAF gave away their own funds to buy new jets to the earth quake victims....

Oh, so in Pakistan it's military is an independent organization who can control what they do with their funds.
That explains why this guy keeps yammering why our military asking payment.

as far as your rest of the post is concern, not making sense. just a troll post.

hahaha time to call your mods, if something doesn't make sense it is not troll post. Because you're accustomed with how your military operate and I'm accustomed to how my military and government operate.
@WebMaster before some trigger happy mods arrive and ruin the fun.

 

[undercover JIX]

Oh, so in Pakistan it's military is an independent organization who can control what they do with their funds.
That explains why this guy keeps yammering why our military asking payment.


hahaha time to call your mods, if something doesn't make sense it is not troll post. Because you're accustomed with how your military operate and I'm accustomed to how my military and government operate.
@WebMaster before some trigger happy mods arrive and ruin the fun.

Again troll post.

I quoted a part from your post related to Taxes etc. you totally ignored and went on to continue what you do best deflect and troll.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Again troll post.

I quoted a part from your post related to Taxes etc. you totally ignored and went on to continue what you do best deflect and troll.

You said "welcome back". What am I suppose to reply to your post then?

Welcome back.

 

[undercover JIX]

You said "welcome back". What am I suppose to reply to your post then?

Go back to the Thread where I posted that and I will respond...

Stop being a troll.

A country runs through accountability of their budget. Due process has to be followed. Exemption will be seen later, but the proper procedure needs to be followed. Maybe if countries were accountable to their citizens regarding their spendings they wouldnt need to beg around the world. Just saying. Btw concern for Indian victims and billing procedures is much appreciated.

@Dubious @Arsalan @waz @The Eagle
Off topic Trolling.....we have 2 Indian trolls

 

[The Eagle]

@Naman Mathur better to back up your post with discussion about the topic at hand. Throwing tantrums, causing diversion from current subject, derailing the topic or trolling is not appreciated. As you are new to the Forum, read Forum rules before posting like this and also, check inbox for further information and necessary action from your side.

Regards,

 

[undercover JIX]

Really, just one comment that hurt ur ego a bit and you want to ban people. Cause what i said is factually inaccurate ? You are allowed to mock but cant even take a fact without crying foul. :applause: I thought this was a defence forum where peoples views are taken seriously and not just to make fun and inflate their ego by laughing at things they dont understand. @Dubious @Arsalan @waz @The Eagle I hope you see the double standard here.

HOPE THIS CLARIFIES SOME PEOPLES DOUBTS
As per Government Accounting Rule, 1990 stated by Controller General of Accounts, in Appendix 5, it is clarified in details what are the charges a state government has to pay for the various kinds of duties armed forces perform during natural and other calamities such as earthquakes, floods, fire and famine.

Besides, other costs as mentioned in the lists, the cost of consumable stores and non-consumable stores, which includes depreciation of an aircraft, repairs and maintenance among all other things will also be chargeable.

WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF BILLING?

So the expenditures incurred by armed forces during performing relief operations during natural disasters in any state are not free.

The bills are raised by Ministry of Defence for the relief and rescue operations undertaken by the three services in the state.

Normally, the central government adjusts this cost while disbursing the relief package to the state and sometimes state bears the cost partially ( State -25% Centre -75% )

This still does not justify the connection between the topic of this thread and your following comment.

Maybe if countries were accountable to their citizens regarding their spendings they wouldnt need to beg around the world

Now here is the link to completes news Article, you posted, without any link.

https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-chec...rala-floods-money-bill-aid-1320136-2018-08-21
Fact File: Does military aid come free in flood-hit states?
India Today's Fact Check team tried to find the answer to a question, if military aid comes free in times of calamities.
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Chayan Kundu
New Delhi
August 21, 2018
UPDATED: September 14, 2018 17:55 IST

Our respect for the armed forces multiplies as every day we come across the pictures of their rescue operation in the flood-hit Kerala.

As per the report of Ministry of Defence, 32,000 people have been rescued and 3,500 people received medical aid by Indian Armed Forces so far in Kerala.

Indian Air Force has carried 794 sorties to facilitate safe transport of 3,031 passengers and distribution of 822 tonne of relief material in various parts of Kerala.

As Kerala slowly limps out of its worst crisis situation, questions are being raised on social media that does it all come for free?

Some comments like "army bills the state for flood relief work" and central government foots the bill by adjusting the grant it announces, sparked a new controversy among the netizens.

Screenshot from Twitter
This same controversy came up in 2014, when Jammu and Kashmir was hit by floods and armed forces carried out a commendable job to help the citizens.

The Centre came under attack by the state, as media reported that the Ministry of Defence raised a Rs 500-crore-bill for relief operations in the state.

Does military aid for a flood hit state come free? Who foots the bill for the huge expenditure incurred by the relief operations?

India Today Fact Check team tried to find the right answer.

As per Government Accounting Rule, 1990 stated by Controller General of Accounts, in Appendix 5, it is clarified in details what are the charges a state government has to pay for the various kinds of duties armed forces perform during natural and other calamities such as earthquakes, floods, fire and famine.

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Besides, other costs as mentioned in the lists, the cost of consumable stores and non-consumable stores, which includes depreciation of an aircraft, repairs and maintenance among all other things will also be chargeable.

WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF BILLING?

So the expenditures incurred by armed forces during performing relief operations during natural disasters in any state are not free.

The bills are raised by Ministry of Defence for the relief and rescue operations undertaken by the three services in the state.

Normally, the central government adjusts this cost while disbursing the relief package to the state and sometimes state bears the cost partially.

While, some like to call this process as 'book adjustment', veteran army officer Major General (retired) Ashok Mehta thinks raising this bill by MoD to state is quite justified, "Moving troops, hundreds of sorties by IAF, fuel, food, these expenditures definitely cut a hole in Army's pocket, so somebody has to replenish it."



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This is central Govt. and Armed forces responsibility to help assist and protect citizens of a country. their Budget and salaries are paid by the Taxes collected from the citizen.

same question I am asking, some sane Indians are asking too.



Now Look at this News Article. read it and lets see what you can find in it.


https://www.business-standard.com/a...times-of-natural-disaster-118082700495_1.html

 

[Naman Mathur]

This still does not justify the connection between the topic of this thread and your following comment.




Now here is the link to completes news Article, you posted, without any link.

https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-chec...rala-floods-money-bill-aid-1320136-2018-08-21
Fact File: Does military aid come free in flood-hit states?
India Today's Fact Check team tried to find the answer to a question, if military aid comes free in times of calamities.
ADVERTISEMENT

Chayan Kundu
New Delhi
August 21, 2018
UPDATED: September 14, 2018 17:55 IST

Our respect for the armed forces multiplies as every day we come across the pictures of their rescue operation in the flood-hit Kerala.

As per the report of Ministry of Defence, 32,000 people have been rescued and 3,500 people received medical aid by Indian Armed Forces so far in Kerala.

Indian Air Force has carried 794 sorties to facilitate safe transport of 3,031 passengers and distribution of 822 tonne of relief material in various parts of Kerala.

As Kerala slowly limps out of its worst crisis situation, questions are being raised on social media that does it all come for free?

Some comments like "army bills the state for flood relief work" and central government foots the bill by adjusting the grant it announces, sparked a new controversy among the netizens.

Screenshot from Twitter
This same controversy came up in 2014, when Jammu and Kashmir was hit by floods and armed forces carried out a commendable job to help the citizens.

The Centre came under attack by the state, as media reported that the Ministry of Defence raised a Rs 500-crore-bill for relief operations in the state.

Does military aid for a flood hit state come free? Who foots the bill for the huge expenditure incurred by the relief operations?

India Today Fact Check team tried to find the right answer.

As per Government Accounting Rule, 1990 stated by Controller General of Accounts, in Appendix 5, it is clarified in details what are the charges a state government has to pay for the various kinds of duties armed forces perform during natural and other calamities such as earthquakes, floods, fire and famine.

ADVERTISEMENT
Besides, other costs as mentioned in the lists, the cost of consumable stores and non-consumable stores, which includes depreciation of an aircraft, repairs and maintenance among all other things will also be chargeable.

WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF BILLING?

So the expenditures incurred by armed forces during performing relief operations during natural disasters in any state are not free.

The bills are raised by Ministry of Defence for the relief and rescue operations undertaken by the three services in the state.

Normally, the central government adjusts this cost while disbursing the relief package to the state and sometimes state bears the cost partially.

While, some like to call this process as 'book adjustment', veteran army officer Major General (retired) Ashok Mehta thinks raising this bill by MoD to state is quite justified, "Moving troops, hundreds of sorties by IAF, fuel, food, these expenditures definitely cut a hole in Army's pocket, so somebody has to replenish it."



----------------

This is central Govt. and Armed forces responsibility to help assist and protect citizens of a country. their Budget and salaries are paid by the Taxes collected from the citizen.

same question I am asking, some sane Indians are asking too.



Now Look at this News Article. read it and lets see what you can find in it.


https://www.business-standard.com/a...times-of-natural-disaster-118082700495_1.html

There is a procedure for everything, you or others finding it now and being surprised isnt a concern. This is how governments and their budgets are maintained. Money doesnt fall or vanish into thin air. It has to be accounted for and there is proper guidelines. That should satisy people who want to know why.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Go back to the Thread where I posted that and I will respond...

Stop being a troll.

I have no interest responding to you for that particular comment in that thread.

 

[undercover JIX]

I have no interest responding to you for that particular comment in that thread.

so why bringing it in this thread????

 

[Naman Mathur]

@Naman Mathur better to back up your post with discussion about the topic at hand. Throwing tantrums, causing diversion from current subject, derailing the topic or trolling is not appreciated. As you are new to the Forum, read Forum rules before posting like this and also, check inbox for further information and necessary action from your side.

Regards,

Well i feel that it is grossly unfair how lopsided the decision is. Still i am the one who logged inhere so will try to stick to your rules. I hope same prompt. actions against any pakistani.

 

[Chhatrapati]

so why bringing it in this thread????

I didn't, I responded to this query of yours.

I quoted a part from your post related to Taxes etc. you totally ignored