Indian Air Base at Pathankot under attack by gunmen.

[Bharat_Bhakt]

I just have a question please explain....

Why does Pakistani army has a say in Pakistan's foreign policy....

strange very strange or are your spreading conspiracy theories ?

 

[nair]

No need all the wars between the two countries over the Kashmir issue, 90000 + people killed in Kashmir for what ? Why Kashmiri fighter attacked your airbase Sir only for Kashmir issue. If India want peace in region discuss it and solve it with Pakistan and Kashmiris.

Ask Mushraff, he will tell you what India (and his pakistan) did to resolve it...... Let us wait for the investigation to reveal the culprits, not based on a statement by an organisation (they might the actual culprit though)

 

[Assange]

You are wrong, Pakistani army has no say in their foreign policy, they decide their foreign policy.

Then why does your civilian government keeps explaining to your army chief about what they are doing in terms of Pakistani foreign policy....

It seems Pakistani army is running the show in Pakistan

 

[The Eagle]

Don't you think maybe...just maybe... it was due to the Indian security forces that they were not able to cause much damage? And after they were cornered, the commandos took extra time to ensure no further loss of life from their side?! Just maybe...

All the commandos in the world are trained not to sustain injury but nail the enemy down and survive though commandos are not suicide soldiers .

Previous post was all about Intention of terrorist and i tried to show the difference between of a freedom fighter wanted media attention and an attack of proxy by rival. If it was the doing of Pakistan, so do you think a country would need maximum media attention and leaving the traces behind so all the world start cursing the one who did it? A big NO but a rival would want to cause the maximum damage instead of media highlights like go silent, leave no proof, do maximum damage.

A freedom fighter wants to be heard globally and an enemy want to damage the most yet not leaving a single trace. all those terrorist from the start, left a lot of the foot prints and before the end of attack, claimed responsibility by UJC so the global consortium may start thinking of their demands, cause of such act.

Rest about what India's Commandos does while facing a freedom fighter instead of trained proxies like Pakistan faced, it was very lazy and not well trained act which rated it minimum yet sustained more damage that shouldn't have been. They could have concluded the OP much earlier with minimum loss of lives but as i said my opinion.

So i started thinking that if these terrorist were well trained proxies like Pakistan fought, the list of damages would have been far different from current picture (on a realistic note). I am not wishing such happening of things but it's time to check their training prospects.

In the end again, loss of lives is indeed irrecoverable.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Ask Mushraff, he will tell you what India (and his pakistan) did to resolve it...... Let us wait for the investigation to reveal the culprits, not based on a statement by an organisation (they might the actual culprit though)

So the investigation will come up with usual suspect, quite an easy job.

 

[Assange]

strange very strange or are your spreading conspiracy theories

It is not conspiracy theory....you can find articles written about this...

 

[nair]

So the investigation will come up with usual suspect, quite an easy job.

The investigation is to get to the culprit, not to satisfy your thoughts....... If it is going to be disappointment for you, then no one cares...... If there is any link to Pakistan, then it will be brought out, cant hide it because you don't like to hear it... If no links to pakistan, then also it will be brought out (like your own samjota express probe).....

 

[Maarkhoor]

The investigation is to get to the culprit, not to satisfy your thoughts....... If it is going to be disappointment for you, then no one cares...... If there is any link to Pakistan, then it will be brought out, cant hide it because you don't like to hear it... If no links to pakistan, then also it will be brought out (like your own samjota express probe).....

But media and politician even Mr. Pariker declared it already somewhat anyways we Pakistani don't care about false allegations and we don't believe in covert attacks that some one did in Pakistan many hotel blasts which Taliban never acknowledge. We are ready and always prepared for friendship or war.
hope for the best
Regards,
usual suspect

 

[AyanRay]

All the commandos in the world are trained not to sustain injury but nail the enemy down and survive though commandos are not suicide soldiers .

Previous post was all about Intention of terrorist and i tried to show the difference between of a freedom fighter wanted media attention and an attack of proxy by rival. If it was the doing of Pakistan, so do you think a country would need maximum media attention and leaving the traces behind so all the world start cursing the one who did it? A big NO but a rival would want to cause the maximum damage instead of media highlights like go silent, leave no proof, do maximum damage.

A freedom fighter wants to be heard globally and an enemy want to damage the most yet not leaving a single trace. all those terrorist from the start, left a lot of the foot prints and before the end of attack, claimed responsibility by UJC so the global consortium may start thinking of their demands, cause of such act.

Rest about what India's Commandos does while facing a freedom fighter instead of trained proxies like Pakistan faced, it was very lazy and not well trained act which rated it minimum yet sustained more damage that shouldn't have been. They could have concluded the OP much earlier with minimum loss of lives but as i said my opinion.

So i started thinking that if these terrorist were well trained proxies like Pakistan fought, the list of damages would have been far different from current picture (on a realistic note). I am not wishing such happening of things but it's time to check their training prospects.

In the end again, loss of lives is indeed irrecoverable.

OK, so who carried out the attacks? No body knows till now exactly. I guess the terrorists or freedom fighters , as you call them, forget one simple thing, call the damn media.

They came, they killed a cabbie, army cooks and 1 commando, and then got blasted into pieces, but nobody knows who they actually are! Dumb freedom fighters

 

[PARIKRAMA]

The investigation will always be two prong..
One would be to find where we lacked internally to stop the attack.. That line of thot is something which DM MP is already thinking especially what are the gaps that allowed perpetrators to enter our country, our base and attack it

Second is to find the people behind these terrorists.. That part is something which cannot be in direct control of GOI nor under direct actionable. The geo political compulsions, an example like UJC base of operations not in India and perhaps dependency on GOP to crack down on UJC/JeM like organisations... Bcz essentially UJC/JeM threaten to derail the very peace talks between the two countries.

First part can be addressed with a comprehensive review, actionable with sustained timelines to deliver and updating strategies and tactics.

Second part will largely depend upon the scope of trust, confidence and friendship between GOI and GOP to solve the matter together and do something against perpetrators. That to me is a very long call of time required as it cannot happen overnight nor i am expecting huge changes overnight..

One good part is GOI and GOP are behaving maturely.. That is an encouraging sign.. i am not reading anything beyond it or too much into it.

 

[AyanRay]

Then why does your civilian government keeps explaining to your army chief about what they are doing in terms of Pakistani foreign policy....

It seems Pakistani army is running the show in Pakistan

Yes they are, and if the civilian govt doesn't allow it, there will be another coup.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

There's a growing apprehension that second team is made up of more than 2 members possibly 3/4. So there is a added impetus on combing and searching for possibly more hostiles.
The ops can't be called off tilll that angle is fully satisfied with.

Good luck to security forces
Hope it ends badly for those who are trying to stir a conflict between India and Pakistan

 

[PARIKRAMA]

ANI ‏@ANI_news 3m3 minutes ago
France condemns attack on Indian military base; stands alongside India in fight against terrorism: MEA #Pathankot

Vikas Swarup ‏@MEAIndia 12m12 minutes ago
French Press release on #PathankotAttack "France condemns attack on Indian military base; stands alongside India in fight against terrorism"


@Vauban

Vikas Swarup ‏@MEAIndia 2m2 minutes ago
Japan: "We condemn the terrorist attack.Terrorism cannot be justified for any reason. Japan expresses solidarity with gov & people of India"
@Nihonjin1051


Some more tweets

ANI ‏@ANI_news 41m41 minutes ago
Punjab Police was stationed inside the airbase in #Pathankot- Punjab DGP Suresh Arora

ANI ‏@ANI_news 39m39 minutes ago
We have decided to post one AIG counter intelligence unit in #Pathankot and install cctv network-Punjab DGP Suresh Arora

ANI ‏@ANI_news 37m37 minutes ago
This is probably the first time that NSG unit was posted before the attack took place-Punjab DGP Suresh Arora #Pathankot

ANI ‏@ANI_news 33m33 minutes ago
We worked in coordination with all agencies,our officers reacted immediately when attack happened-Punjab DGP Suresh Arora #Pathankot

ANI ‏@ANI_news 31m31 minutes ago
That is a matter of investigation-DGP Suresh Arora on how a private car with blue beacon was allowed to pass through checkpoints #pathankot

ANI ‏@ANI_news 28m28 minutes ago
This is again a matter of investigation-DGP Suresh Arora on whether #PathankotAttack had local support

ANI ‏@ANI_news 21m21 minutes ago
Defence Minister Parrikar meets family of Subehdar Major (Retd) Fateh Singh in Gurdaspur earlier today #Pathankot

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Looks like DGP team is either reading our discussion on Pathankot here in PDF or we have been having a good structured discussion on this topic which are becoming the points of investigation

 

[ghazi52]

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[SarthakGanguly]

PATHANKOT: A fifth gunman was killed Monday on the third day of a siege at the heavily fortified Pathankot Indian air base and at least one attacker remained as troops worked to secure the sprawling compound, a military official said. Seven troops have been killed.

The search operations at Pathankot air force base will continue until all areas have been completely secured, Maj Gen Dushyant Singh, from India's elite National Security Guard, told reporters.



Indian army soldiers sit in a truck as they head towards the Indian Air Force (IAF) base at Pathankot. ─ Reuters
The attack has dragged on since early Saturday morning as government troops struggle to contain the heavily armed attackers.

At least twice over the weekend it appeared that the attack had ended but fresh gunfire and explosions erupted both times.

Four attackers were reported killed by Saturday evening, and at least two were said to have been exchanging gunfire with troops as of Monday morning. By evening one had been shot dead, Singh said.

Defence officials have said authorities had been alerted about a potential attack in the area on Friday, and that aerial surveillance at the base spotted the gunmen as they entered the compound, leading to criticism of the handling of the situation.



An Indian Air Force helicopter flies over the airforce base in Pathankot. ─ AFP
Singh told reporters in Pathankot that it will take a "long time" to declare the base completely secure because of its size and geography. It is spread over more than 2,000 acres, including forests and tall grass.

The commanding officer of the base, Lt Col J.S. Dhamoon, described it as a "mini-city" with homes and a school for the children of the personnel stationed there.

An army statement said the last gunmen were firing from a building that is part of the living quarters on the base.



An Indian army soldier descents the stairs of a house outside the Indian air force base in Pathankot. ─ AP
The base has a fleet of India's Russian-origin MiG-21 fighter jets and Mi-25 and Mi-35 attack helicopters, along with other military hardware. Officials have said no military hardware has been damaged in the fighting.

Military funerals were held Monday for the soldiers who were killed in the attack. Their killings inside a military base despite intelligence alerts have angered many in India.

"The biggest problem is the multiplicity of command and control. Nobody knows who is really in charge," said Rahul Bedi, an analyst for Jane's Information Group.

The Pathankot base and the northern state of Punjab, where it is located, has "probably the highest concentration of military personnel in India because it's so close to the border with Pakistan," Bedi said. "It's a huge embarrassment," he said. "It's a major goof-up for everybody."



Indian air force personnel stand on the roof of a building at the base in Pathankot. ─ AFP
Since Saturday morning, the base has been swarming with air force commandos, army soldiers, National Security Guard troops and local police.

Officials, however, have refused to say how many security personnel were involved in the engagement.

The base is on the highway that connects India-held Kashmir (IHK) with the rest of the country. It is also very close to the shared border with Pakistan.

An alliance of Kashmiri militant groups, the United Jihad Council (UJC) on Monday claimed responsibility for the attack.

The UJC in a statement said that the attack was a message to India that Kashmiri fighters could strike at any sensitive installation across India.

"Pathankot air base attack has been carried out by the mujahideen associated with National Highway Squad," said Syed Sadaqat Hussain, a spokesman for UJC.

"Pakistan has nothing to do with the attack but ironically the Indian government, media and their armed forces are suffering from Pakistan phobia," added the UJC spokesman.

Pretty sure they want at least one alive. Otherwise they would have gone guns blazing by now.